Comments on: Happy St. Patrick's Day http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html A modern Pagan perspective Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Harry Roth http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17541 Harry Roth Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:51:32 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17541 That's okay. I've heard worse, believe me.:) That's okay. I've heard worse, believe me.:)

]]> By: pahchoka http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17580 pahchoka Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:37:32 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17580 One small point here-indigenous occupancy in the Americas is now being estimated at closer to 30,000 years rather than 10,000 and there seems to be a growing school of thought among "scholars' that it could even be in excess of that. One small point here-indigenous occupancy in the Americas is now being estimated at closer to 30,000 years rather than 10,000 and there seems to be a growing school of thought among "scholars' that it could even be in excess of that.

]]> By: pahchoka http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17596 pahchoka Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:56:48 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17596 Snoozepossum pt2 Another outlandish stretch-how do you even arrive at a point where you think asking whether or not I believe indigenous people have any common DNA traits with humans is either a salient question or even an intelligent one? I'm really curious, how did you come up with this? Was this the result of some process of "critical" thinking or did it just sound good to you? Lets see now-you've had conversations with representatives of 11 varied tribes by your count-well that certainly qualifies you as something of authority I'd say-and that doesn't include the books you've read either does it? Tell the truth now, you do like to make a point of your "Indian" heritage to those who find it attractive don't you? And I'll bet you even have incorporated differing concepts of traditional beliefs and ceremonies into your particular practices haven't you? I would suggest that you be careful of which woodpile you poke around in as half of my full blooded ancestry is Kiowa and is readily traceable back to the Staked Plains area. It may just be possible that even without the conversations with friends and the wealth of knowledge books provide I have a tad more insight into this than you do.I've encountered some good spirited people here who were not only responsive and polite-people like Bjorn and Harry- but believers who have such a faith and devotion to their beliefs as to be open minded and willing to discuss them candidly without little petty asides and what they think will pass as sarcastic repartee. I felt when I read your initial reply that possibly you were one of the growing number of internetphiles that always wants to personalize and reduce a discussion to ad hominem exchanges-that being the case I took the time to look at your other replies and thought that such was the case and rightly or wrongly that colors my responses to you. If your character is such that you must attack, attack your own, for all you need do is look around at the present condition of things and you will find you have ample cause to do so. All the blogging and posting when compiled becomes biographical in nature, read the book you are writing and determine if it is a read worth recommending to another. If you would like to continue this conversation I'm up for it but not in this present vein of Pee Wee's Playhouse on steroids. And to those others on this site that I am a guest on I would apologize to you all for any disruptions this sideshow may have caused and assure you that I mean no disrespect to any of you. Snoozepossum pt2 Another outlandish stretch-how do you even arrive at a point where you think asking whether or not I believe indigenous people have any common DNA traits with humans is either a salient
question or even an intelligent one? I'm really curious, how did you come up with this? Was
this the result of some process of "critical" thinking or did it just sound good to you? Lets
see now-you've had conversations with representatives of 11 varied tribes by your count-well
that certainly qualifies you as something of authority I'd say-and that doesn't include the
books you've read either does it? Tell the truth now, you do like to make a point of your
"Indian" heritage to those who find it attractive don't you? And I'll bet you even have incorporated
differing concepts of traditional beliefs and ceremonies into your particular practices haven't
you? I would suggest that you be careful of which woodpile you poke around in as half of my full
blooded ancestry is Kiowa and is readily traceable back to the Staked Plains area. It may just be
possible that even without the conversations with friends and the wealth of knowledge books provide
I have a tad more insight into this than you do.I've encountered some good spirited people here who
were not only responsive and polite-people like Bjorn and Harry- but believers who have such a faith
and devotion to their beliefs as to be open minded and willing to discuss them candidly without little
petty asides and what they think will pass as sarcastic repartee. I felt when I read your initial reply
that possibly you were one of the growing number of internetphiles that always wants to personalize
and reduce a discussion to ad hominem exchanges-that being the case I took the time to look at your
other replies and thought that such was the case and rightly or wrongly that colors my responses to
you. If your character is such that you must attack, attack your own, for all you need do is look around
at the present condition of things and you will find you have ample cause to do so. All the blogging and
posting when compiled becomes biographical in nature, read the book you are writing and determine if it
is a read worth recommending to another. If you would like to continue this conversation I'm up for it
but not in this present vein of Pee Wee's Playhouse on steroids. And to those others on this site that I
am a guest on I would apologize to you all for any disruptions this sideshow may have caused and assure
you that I mean no disrespect to any of you.

]]> By: pahchoka http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17582 pahchoka Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:52:48 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17582 Snoozepossum pt1--Well if I may I think I will begin with a quote from you-I feel sorry for anyone who only has a mental sword to work with, and no other tools- Leaving aside the tendency of language to evolve and drift I'll make a real attempt to stay focused here. With your friends grandmothers grandson refusing to learn the language I think that speaks directly to the devaluing of culture through a generational assimilation, thank you for illustrating my point. And in the end it would appear to me that it is entirely his choice.Personally I think it a stretch to label either as elitist, but then so much of this seems to be semantics doesn't it? Would it be elitist if for instance your parents wanted to tell you your family history? Or say your father were a mechanic, would it be elitist for him to want to pass that on to you? And if you wanted no part of it would that in turn make you elitist? I quite like both eating and the benefits of an olfactory capacity and thank you for the concern you have expressed as to what you have mistakenly (for I surely wouldn't label it a need on your part to enroll in anger management) interpreted as some evolutionary decline I have experienced. No doubt a by product of my indigenous inbreeding. Just as a momentary aside here-do you speak any of the tribal languages you claim ancestry with? Have you any experience in rez life? Do you practice or have you attempted to incorporate any First Nations beliefs or ceremonies into what you believe? I only ask out of curiosity as it seems that a sore spot has been touched. And I see by an out of context juxtapositioning of what I said you have linked my statement of your nuts quote to reincarnation,and so I would ask that you return to your original post, read IT anew and unless you find you have linked them yourself it hardly follows that I have.If at this point you are seeking to redefine your interbreeding theory as to mean First nations people among themselves i.e. other tribes, that is not only extremely thin but also very transparent. DNA testing is available to anyone who wants to verify ancestry today for less than $200,is extremely accurate and is a great tool to expose or shut up the wannabes.The mere mention of it will suffice to send them scurrying away or into an defensive tirade most often.There are differences among individual tribes as to creation stories, legends and so forth-but even a cursory examination reveals that it is do in large part to language differences and there exists so many common threads woven among them that there is an obvious universality.Back to the interbreeding and your- groups will intermingle over thousands of years in the same area- what other groups were you referring to other that indigenous groups? Who else was here before the invasion? That to me is like saying that if a Brit and an American reproduced the offspring would be something other than Caucasian. Snoozepossum pt1–Well if I may I think I will begin with a quote from you-I feel sorry for anyone who only has a mental sword to work with, and no other tools- Leaving aside the tendency of language to evolve and drift I'll make a real attempt to stay focused here. With your friends grandmothers grandson refusing to learn the language I think that speaks directly to the devaluing of culture through a generational assimilation, thank you for illustrating my point. And in the end it would appear to me that it is entirely his choice.Personally I think it a stretch to label either as elitist, but then so much of this seems to be semantics doesn't it? Would it be elitist if for instance your parents wanted to tell you your family history? Or say your father were a mechanic, would it be elitist for him to want to pass that on to you? And if you wanted no part of it would that in turn make you elitist? I quite like both eating and the benefits of an olfactory capacity and thank you for the concern you have expressed as to what you have mistakenly (for I surely wouldn't label it a need on your part to enroll in anger management) interpreted as some evolutionary decline I have experienced. No doubt a by product of my indigenous inbreeding. Just as a momentary aside here-do you speak any of the tribal languages you claim ancestry with? Have you any experience in rez life? Do you practice or have you attempted to incorporate any First Nations beliefs or ceremonies into what you believe? I only ask out of curiosity as it seems that a sore spot has been touched. And I see by an out of context juxtapositioning of what I said you have linked my statement of your nuts quote to reincarnation,and so I would ask that you return to your original post, read IT anew and unless you find you have linked them yourself it hardly follows that I have.If at this point you are seeking to redefine your interbreeding theory as to mean First nations people among themselves i.e. other tribes, that is not only extremely thin but also very transparent. DNA testing is available to anyone who wants to verify ancestry today for less than $200,is extremely accurate and is a great tool to expose or shut up the wannabes.The mere mention of it will suffice to send them scurrying away or into an defensive tirade most often.There are differences among individual tribes as to creation stories, legends and so forth-but even a cursory examination reveals that it is do in large part to language differences and there exists so many common threads woven among them that there is an obvious universality.Back to the interbreeding and your- groups will intermingle over thousands of years in the same area- what other groups were you referring to other that indigenous groups? Who else was here before the invasion? That to me is like saying that if a Brit and an American reproduced the offspring would be something other than Caucasian.

]]> By: Snoozepossum http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17593 Snoozepossum Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:06:10 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17593 “You obviously come from a position of belief in reincarnation and somehow feel a need to defend that-your personal beliefs are just that-and it is irrelevant whether they resonate with me or if I were to think such believers to be nuts as you so eloquently phrased it.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Not seeing the “need to defend” part there. Again, re-read the text. The “nuts” bit has nothing to do with acceptance of reincarnation, it has to do with the idea that no groups would intermingle over several thousand years in the same area. Relevance is, as in the abovementioned Bering Strait Theory, per the basis of viewpoint: if you allow for the possibility of reincarnation, then the premise that a non-Native American might be answering to an association from past life, and vice versa, is a relevant variable. If you don’t believe in reincarnation, it’s pointless to expect you to consider that variable. I wrote that as a means of presenting my viewpoints (back when I thought I was answering a curious question), while establishing that I do not expect anyone else to agree with them, in part or whole. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “ I think the context that "our spiritual leaders" was used in is obvious-but in the event it wasn't then I offer the following definition . . . .” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Clarify: by “more detailed designation” of “our spiritual leaders”, I was asking for what specific leaders you refer to, as in what tribe, and what geographical area. As I stated before, belief is not universal, and North America is a big continent. Until I read some of your other statements, I wouldn’t’ve supposed you’d attempt to say that all NA tribes follow a single continental religious leadership, and were all in agreement. Given conversations I’ve had with members of Cherokee (Eastern and Western band), Catawba, Seminole, Shawnee, Muscogee, Pima, Seneca, Oneida, Apache, and Kiowa tribes (who spoke for no one but themselves), such a condition doesn’t exist, and never has. And there is a wide range of belief and outlook among that small sample of all the varied tribal groups and branches that exist. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “Maybe I am not as spiritually evolved as you for usually when I have a taste in my mouth a breath mint suffices and a scent usually only requires that I move upwind.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Gee, how sad that your evolutionary development has made you dislike taste and smell so completely. Eating and breathing must be highly irritating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The hypothetical scenario of an "entity" who may have passed on leaving no surviving blood line and subsequently having to communicate with a non indigenous person fails to adequately answer my question of why do these "channeled' indigenous entities only seem to do so through non indigenous people-as the hypothetical seems to presume there are no indigenous people extant. That they would have no option other than to establish contact with a stranger. Were we wiped out in one fell swoop or is there some sort of implied elitism here as if to say no self respecting spirit would consider using an indigenous person as their "voice"? That they come from a culture that once they've left they have no desire to communicate with? If this were I Love Lucy she would have some 'splaining to do don't you think? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Maybe – perhaps she can “splain” to my friend’s grandmother why her full-blood grandson told her he “doesn’t care about that shit” when she offered to cover his lessons in Cherokee syllabry. Elitism? Sure is – he’s too elitist to “sit around with some old man and listen to a bunch of dumb tapes”. If I were his many-times great grandparents, I wouldn’t waste my words or energy on his cocky, unappreciative ass either. As a matter of fact, some family groups and clans were wiped out in one fell swoop, by violence (red and white), smallpox and other diseases (introduced and otherwise), and natural disasters. I’ve encountered spirits that seemed to want someone to pay attention to them, and some who wanted to be left completely alone, and some who would violently object to one person’s presence and accept another’s, with no reasons anyone could discern. I figure my obligation is to treat whoever with politeness and do what I can to make them happy if possible. I’ll echo what Harry wrote earlier – if a spirit who sees fit to interact with me, he evidently has more important things on his mind than my pedigree, and I’d be rude to not give him a fair shake. Will never understand the idea of asking for an explanatory answer, when all one really wants is an echo. “You obviously come from a position of belief in reincarnation and somehow feel a need to defend that-your personal beliefs are just that-and it is irrelevant whether they resonate with me or if I were to think such believers to be nuts as you so eloquently phrased it.”
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S: Not seeing the “need to defend” part there. Again, re-read the text. The “nuts” bit has nothing to do with acceptance of reincarnation, it has to do with the idea that no groups would intermingle over several thousand years in the same area. Relevance is, as in the abovementioned Bering Strait Theory, per the basis of viewpoint: if you allow for the possibility of reincarnation, then the premise that a non-Native American might be answering to an association from past life, and vice versa, is a relevant variable. If you don’t believe in reincarnation, it’s pointless to expect you to consider that variable. I wrote that as a means of presenting my viewpoints (back when I thought I was answering a curious question), while establishing that I do not expect anyone else to agree with them, in part or whole.
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“ I think the context that "our spiritual leaders" was used in is obvious-but in the event it wasn't then I offer the following definition . . . .”
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S: Clarify: by “more detailed designation” of “our spiritual leaders”, I was asking for what specific leaders you refer to, as in what tribe, and what geographical area. As I stated before, belief is not universal, and North America is a big continent. Until I read some of your other statements, I wouldn’t’ve supposed you’d attempt to say that all NA tribes follow a single continental religious leadership, and were all in agreement. Given conversations I’ve had with members of Cherokee (Eastern and Western band), Catawba, Seminole, Shawnee, Muscogee, Pima, Seneca, Oneida, Apache, and Kiowa tribes (who spoke for no one but themselves), such a condition doesn’t exist, and never has. And there is a wide range of belief and outlook among that small sample of all the varied tribal groups and branches that exist.
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“Maybe I am not as spiritually evolved as you for usually when I have a taste in my mouth a breath mint suffices and a scent usually only requires that I move upwind.”
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S: Gee, how sad that your evolutionary development has made you dislike taste and smell so completely. Eating and breathing must be highly irritating.
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The hypothetical scenario of an "entity" who may have passed on leaving no surviving blood line and subsequently having to communicate with a non indigenous person fails to adequately answer my question of why do these "channeled' indigenous entities only seem to do so through non indigenous people-as the hypothetical seems to presume there are no indigenous people extant. That they would have no option other than to establish contact with a stranger. Were we wiped out in one fell swoop or is there some sort of implied elitism here as if to say no self respecting spirit would consider using an indigenous person as their "voice"? That they come from a culture that once they've left they have no desire to communicate with? If this were I Love Lucy she would have some 'splaining to do don't you think?
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S: Maybe – perhaps she can “splain” to my friend’s grandmother why her full-blood grandson told her he “doesn’t care about that shit” when she offered to cover his lessons in Cherokee syllabry. Elitism? Sure is – he’s too elitist to “sit around with some old man and listen to a bunch of dumb tapes”. If I were his many-times great grandparents, I wouldn’t waste my words or energy on his cocky, unappreciative ass either.
As a matter of fact, some family groups and clans were wiped out in one fell swoop, by violence (red and white), smallpox and other diseases (introduced and otherwise), and natural disasters.
I’ve encountered spirits that seemed to want someone to pay attention to them, and some who wanted to be left completely alone, and some who would violently object to one person’s presence and accept another’s, with no reasons anyone could discern. I figure my obligation is to treat whoever with politeness and do what I can to make them happy if possible. I’ll echo what Harry wrote earlier – if a spirit who sees fit to interact with me, he evidently has more important things on his mind than my pedigree, and I’d be rude to not give him a fair shake.

Will never understand the idea of asking for an explanatory answer, when all one really wants is an echo.

]]> By: Snoozepossum http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17581 Snoozepossum Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:03:44 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17581 Will reply to this point by point, in order to attempt to make some sense of it. Afraid it's fairly longwinded; parts to follow as replies. “I suppose by the line of reasoning you present that for the greater period of time prior to the "discovery" of America you mean to imply that it was a land of inbred savages. “ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Okay, I can’t even begin to figure out how that was derived. Re-read what I wrote: ‘ . . . .but if anyone thinks that any specific Native American gene pool has remained uncompromised from the time everybody went for a stroll across the ice from Siberia to Alaska, they're nuts. Such a thing isn't even desirable - it's called inbreeding.’ The only way I can see your statement being applicable is if you think that the Paleolithic people who migrated here via the Bering Strait (or from wherever, if you choose to disallow the Bering Strait theory) all came as one family, extended family, or clan/tribal unit, all at one time, and that all of North, Central, and South America were peopled from that one group. I wasn’t there, but it doesn’t take much to figure out that the odds of this being the case are way past being seriously unlikely. Also seriously unlikely (read damned nigh impossible) are the odds that the various aforementioned groups migrated to this land mass, and never split up, interbred, or participated in any sort of fosterage/adoption, over a period of time that falls into a 10,000-years-or-more span. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “And following such an all encompassing philosophy then you have omitted your African origins. As I understand the genome project asserts that is where mankind originated. Do you claim that particular ethnicity on your resume?” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Not in the on-paper, last-300-years-account version, but I have met very few people (myself included) who can look at “Lucy” and not feel something sit up, back close to their hindbrain. We might all be better off if that whole “Family of Man” thing did catch on a bit more. I do, however, play a djembe, and have encountered a few people (all of them whiteys) who had a gripe about that too. If some such did try to communicate with me, I wouldn’t be tacky enough to tell him “you shouldn’t be talking to a cracker; go find someone else!” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You will have a tough time promoting that theory or your subsequent proposition that there are no pure bloods since DNA is widely accepted as the evidence standard and neither I nor countless others I personally am acquainted with have any Euro DNA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S: Are you asserting that Native Americans do not have any common DNA traits with other humans? Unless you’ve had DNA mapping done (expensive, that), might not want to poke around in the woodpile too much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will reply to this point by point, in order to attempt to make some sense of it. Afraid it's fairly longwinded; parts to follow as replies.

“I suppose by the line of reasoning you present that for the greater period of time prior to the "discovery" of America you mean to imply that it was a land of inbred savages. “
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S: Okay, I can’t even begin to figure out how that was derived. Re-read what I wrote:
‘ . . . .but if anyone thinks that any specific Native American gene pool has remained uncompromised from the time everybody went for a stroll across the ice from Siberia to Alaska, they're nuts. Such a thing isn't even desirable – it's called inbreeding.’
The only way I can see your statement being applicable is if you think that the Paleolithic people who migrated here via the Bering Strait (or from wherever, if you choose to disallow the Bering Strait theory) all came as one family, extended family, or clan/tribal unit, all at one time, and that all of North, Central, and South America were peopled from that one group. I wasn’t there, but it doesn’t take much to figure out that the odds of this being the case are way past being seriously unlikely.
Also seriously unlikely (read damned nigh impossible) are the odds that the various aforementioned groups migrated to this land mass, and never split up, interbred, or participated in any sort of fosterage/adoption, over a period of time that falls into a 10,000-years-or-more span.
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“And following such an all encompassing philosophy then you have omitted your African origins. As I understand the genome project asserts that is where mankind originated. Do you claim that particular ethnicity on your resume?”
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S: Not in the on-paper, last-300-years-account version, but I have met very few people (myself included) who can look at “Lucy” and not feel something sit up, back close to their hindbrain. We might all be better off if that whole “Family of Man” thing did catch on a bit more. I do, however, play a djembe, and have encountered a few people (all of them whiteys) who had a gripe about that too. If some such did try to communicate with me, I wouldn’t be tacky enough to tell him “you shouldn’t be talking to a cracker; go find someone else!”
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You will have a tough time promoting that theory or your subsequent proposition that there are no pure bloods since DNA is widely accepted as the evidence standard and neither I nor countless others I personally am acquainted with have any Euro DNA.
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S: Are you asserting that Native Americans do not have any common DNA traits with other humans? Unless you’ve had DNA mapping done (expensive, that), might not want to poke around in the woodpile too much.
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]]> By: Bjorn Odinsson http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/03/happy-st-patricks-day.html#comment-17602 Bjorn Odinsson Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:19:39 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=2657#comment-17602 It goes back to what I said about deeds. Humans begin with what they are born as, and modify from there according to their actions and directions they take in life. If someone of differing heritage feels drawn by the Gods to my Kindred, I would not turn them away, I would quiz them, as I would any perspective member, to get an idea of how deeply they had researched, and how much they understood so far. I would explain what it means to be "True to Aesir", in that it is an insular tradition that rarely seeks outside the confines of the folkway for spiritual guidance. If they understood what tasks lay before them, and accepted, then I would readily accept them into my tribe. It goes back to what I said about deeds. Humans begin with what they are born as, and modify from there according to their actions and directions they take in life. If someone of differing heritage feels drawn by the Gods to my Kindred, I would not turn them away, I would quiz them, as I would any perspective member, to get an idea of how deeply they had researched, and how much they understood so far. I would explain what it means to be "True to Aesir", in that it is an insular tradition that rarely seeks outside the confines of the folkway for spiritual guidance. If they understood what tasks lay before them, and accepted, then I would readily accept them into my tribe.

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