Amazon's "Gay Glitch" and the Pagans

If you were anywhere near Twitter or the LGBT/feminist blogosphere over the weekend you probably heard about the “gay glitch” (aka “#AmazonFail”), where several titles (predominately gay and lesbian-themed) were removed from the Internet book giant Amazon’s search results and ranking system.

“A groundswell of outrage, concern and confusion sprang up over the weekend, largely via Twitter, in response to what authors and others believed was a decision by Amazon to remove adult titles from its sales ranking. On Sunday evening, however, an Amazon spokesperson said that a glitch had occurred in its sales ranking feature that was in the process of being fixed. The spokesperson added that there was no new adult policy.”

While Amazon’s PR flacks are now saying it was all a “glitch”, previous contacts with customer services reps portrayed it as a new policy toward “adult” material on the site. Meanwhile, some claim that this process of de-ranking “adult” (read: gay) books has been going on quietly since earlier this year. Whether new policy or “glitch”, popular mainstream titles like Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain”, and resoundingly non-adult children’s fare like Leslea Newman’s “Heather Has Two Mommies” are still de-ranked on the site. Currently, when you search the site for “homosexuality” the top result is “A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality” (something I certainly wouldn’t let a child read without adult supervision).

It’s obvious that Amazon will be backtracking under the glare of bad press and Internet groundswell, but while the “glitch” remains I wanted to see if it affected any books aimed at Pagans. Sure enough, “Gay Witchcraft: Empowering the Tribe” by Christopher Penczak, Jennifer Hunter’s “Rites of Pleasure: Sexuality in Wicca and Neo-Paganism”, LaSara Firefox’s “Sexy Witch”, Vicki Noble’s “The Double Goddess: Women Sharing Power”, and “Lesbian Rites: Symbolic Acts and the Power of Community”, edited by Ramona Faith Oswald (and featuring contributions from Ruth Barrett and other Goddess-worshiping women) are all, at the time of this writing, without an Amazon sales ranking. No doubt there are even more that are escaping my notice (you can find a running list of de-ranked titles here).

What does it mean to be without a sales ranking? Or to not have your book show up in certain keyword searches? In basic terms it makes it harder for customers to find your books on the site, and thereby reduces potential sales and visibility of your title(s). You could be selling thousands of copies, but if you aren’t ranked, you won’t show up in the bestseller lists. Your book is swept under the metaphorical rug. Funny how a “glitch” managed to do that without targeting heterosexual “adult” material. I’d have to agree with author Lilith Saintcrow who exclaims “this is not a glitch” (or, as Twitter puts it, “#GlitchMyAss”). While this “glitch” may be “fixed” in the near future, I can’t imagine those affected will be satisfied until a real answer for how this happened emerges, along with safeguards put in place to ensure such “glitches” are avoided in the future.

  • http://www.kenazfilan.com Kenaz Filan

    You can add Kenaz Filan's "Vodou Love Magic" to that list. Not sure how I wound up listed alongside "Brokeback Mountain" — it could be the "adult guide to love, sex and relationships" or the fact that I included material on polyamory and "Danto's Coming Out of the Closet Spell."

    I suspect that the problem here is that Amazon wanted to do something to ensure that young customers looking for Hello Kitty merchandise aren't offered a Hello Kitty Vibrator or suchlike. Unfortunately, they forgot the example of AOL, who decided to ban "dirty words" from their chat forums and wound up killing discussions on breast cancer and Scunthorpe, England.

  • http://www.kissesofspirit.com Kisses

    I've gotten frustrated and angry at Amazon in the past, but not enough to quit using them. (I even have a Prime membership. I'm a very prolific book buyer.)

    This last "evil Amazon empire" bruhaha has really made me angry though, enough to be done with them for good.

    Where to buy books though? Barnes and Noble is no better imo.

    Erik (at Executive Pagan) mentioned Better World Books, so I checked them out. Not only are their prices comparable to Amazon, but they offer free shipping within the USA (making a Prime membership unnecessary)..The first thing I noticed when logging onto their site was the left sidebar menu, which lists "Gay & Lesbian" books.

    They have a new customer. :)

  • chuck cosimano

    Obviously someone in Amazon rose past his level of incompetance.

  • http://eyeofhorus.biz/ Jane

    What about your local Pagan Book Store? (I'm biased, I own one). People browse in our store and buy on Amazon, but why don't they browse on Amazon and buy in our store? You might have to wait a whole week if we need to order something, it's true, but if it's in print, we can get it.

  • whatsername

    A lot of people don't have such a thing remotely close to them, unfortunately.

  • whatsername

    Thanks for this Jason, it hadn't occurred to me yet to look into this. So now they're messing with LBTG studies, sexuality studies, feminism, womens studies AND paganism…basically everything I hold dear. *pissed*

  • silvermoonfairie

    Totally outrageous! If Amazon is removing these titles then they seriously need to take a look at the bdsm list on their website. Those books are way more "adult" than any of the titles on this list. Check out this list of titles that are still on the website. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-a…

  • http://www.thegreenwolf.com Lupa

    Many stores are willing to send things via mail. MagusBooks.com is based in Minneapolis, but they have a lovely online store as well.

  • http://www.thegreenwolf.com Lupa

    Hmm. Looks like they're mainly hitting larger publishers; "Kink Magic: Sex Magic Beyond Vanilla" is one of our Immanion/Megalithica titles, and it's not been affected. Same with Raven Kaldera's "Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM and the Ordeal Path" from Asphodel Press, as well as "Carnal Alchemy" by Stephen Flowers and Crystal Dawn from Runa-Raven. So apparently books on kinky sex magic from small publishers haven't been hit yet–which may just be a matter of time, or an oversight. Though I have heard tell that some small press titles have ended up affected.

  • http://www.lizzclements.com/blog Lizz

    This truly is the most detrimental thing Amazon could do to themselves. People don't respond well to censorship.

  • AmericanTrikstr

    I wish I had a local pagan book store by me. :\

    It's either Barnes and Nobles or Borders for me.

  • AmericanTrikstr

    Alright, calm down people. Put down the torches for a second. Did Amazon screw up? I'd say yes. Was it intentional? I'm not so sure. As Kenaz pointed out they may have enabled some form of filter to ensure kids have a hard time getting adult material. You can be angry at them for perhaps being lazy with implementing such a filter but I doubt there's some sort of malicious plan to screw over pagans and homosexuals.

    If you're wondering why Amazon would suddenly use such a filter, go to any video game news website and look up a game called "Rapelay". Due to the word limit I won't get into it here, but I have a feeling this may be the cause of the new policy perhaps, not some diabolical anti-pagan/gay agenda.

  • AmericanTrikstr

    Reminds me of what happened on Xbox LIVE not too long ago. Microsoft started banning gamertags that referenced "gay" or "lesbian" to eliminate people having gamertags that said stuff like "Gaypeopleshoulddie" and crap like that. The collateral damage of it was that people like a man named Richard Gaywood, whose gamertage was "RichardGaywood", got their gamertags banned because it was picked up by the filter. These things happen.

    The word limit is my mortal foe on this site. :\

  • AmericanTrikstr

    Reminds me of what happened on Xbox LIVE not too long ago. Microsoft started banning gamertags that referenced "gay" or "lesbian" to eliminate people having gamertags that said stuff like "Gaypeopleshoulddie" and crap like that. The collateral damage of it was that people like a man named Richard Gaywood, whose gamertage was "RichardGaywood", got their gamertags banned because it was picked up by the filter. These things happen.

    The word limit is my mortal foe on this site. :\

  • http://www.cherryhillseminary.org Holli Emore

    They glitched our friend Candace Chellew-Hodge's book, Bulletproof Faith: Survival Guide for Gay & Lesbian Christians.

  • http://www.cherryhillseminary.org Holli Emore

    I'm listening to All Things Considered and they just began a story about this.

  • whatsername

    Their customer service person said it was intentional and this is more than just a filter, some books, like Friedman/Valenti's "Yes Means Yes" doesn't even come up when you put that in, their title. Also it's not some filter gone wrong because as Jason points out here books on homosexuality still come up, but they're parenting books on how to prevent gay children etc.

  • http://sari0009.xanga.com/ KarenAScofield

    Not a glitch. Amazon damaged trust. Wonder how long it'll take Amazon's head to realize that Amazon shot itself in the foot. If it takes a really long time…

    Somebody mentioned myspace banning stuff? They banned my shrink plastic Venus of Willendorf Goddess beads that I had in my jewelry photo folder. Twice. Even after certain areas were seriously blurred.

    When the arts flourish unhindered by religious power and control struggles, it creates positive phenomena in the larger economy. Why don't people get that? How long are people going to play it safe, dress statues, ban Goddess beads, ban gay stuff, and all the nonsense? And what happened to "the least restrictive alternative?!?"

  • ogre

    Powells.com

    I'd almost completely abandoned Amazon already–this was the last straw. I'll look elsewhere, do without or pay more.

  • http://siren.crowned-meadow.net Steph

    Problem with that theory is that there were all sorts of things of a much more adult nature still appearing via search (aka, sex toys, playboy, etc) and so you probably still could have run into a Hello Kitty Vibrator (…if such an abomination exists) by searching. Plus a lot of more hetreo stuff wasn't knocked down.

  • http://siren.crowned-meadow.net Steph

    I wish I had a bookstore, period. ><! Theres only the Christian Bookshop here. Yay, Australia. *facedesk*

  • Lori

    They banned images of the Willendorf Goddess? How large were these images? I suppose some could argue it's sexual, try putting up the Venus de Milo or Venus rising from the foam. See if they ban them. Of course someone could have complained that it was inappropriate. Think office politics.

    As for Amazon's "glitch", it lets up books with titles like "a parent's guide to preventing homosexuality"? now THAT's offensive.

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  • AmericanTrikstr

    Why would you believe anything on a customer service line? I've worked in such a department and they are the last to be informed about anything. Hell half the time when there's an issue like this the CS rep has to make something up 'cause they don't know. In summary, CS is far from a reputable source into what the problem may be.

    And yes, it can be a filter. I don't know what sort of program Amazon uses to filter but it's possible depending on what options and settings the filter offers. And that's not including any sort of bugs the program has. (Not "may have", but "has". All programs have bugs in them.)

  • whatsername

    Seriously?

    The first thing a customer service agent who DOESN'T know anything is going to be to say that Amazon has instituted a new adult policy?

    I've worked in plenty of customer service, if you don't know anything about something, you say you don't and forward them on to someone you think does.

  • AmericanTrikstr

    And if the person you ask or forward doesn't know, what happens then? It's entirely plausible that the CS got bad info from someone who thinks they know what's going on, maybe misunderstood the info that was given them, does not properly convey the information given, or just made it up because they don't know and want to end the call as soon as possible so they could go to lunch.

    CS is the last source I'd consider to be reputable.

  • whatsername

    In addition Jessica Valenti's editor already confirmed the information, that it was NOT a glitch, unless you think whoever they talked to is just making stuff up because they don't know anything too.

  • whatsername

    In addition Jessica Valenti's editor already confirmed the information, that it was NOT a glitch, unless you think whoever they talked to is just making stuff up because they don't know anything too.

  • whatsername

    In addition Jessica Valenti's editor already confirmed the information, that it was NOT a glitch, unless you think whoever they talked to is just making stuff up because they don't know anything too.

  • AmericanTrikstr

    Well, first off, the link you provided isn't working.

    Secondly, while I said there was a possibility of it being a "bug" or "glitch", it was only one of several possibilites and it apparently was not a glitch but a poor execution of a filtering process. The word "glitch" only came up because it came out of a PR spokesman's mouth and, quite frankly, PR doesn't know what they're talking about when it comes to technology. "Glitch" or "bug" is often used by PR to describe any sort of computer or technology issue. They use it as a general term when it really shouldn't be.

    Amazon messed up, but there's nothing malicious about it.

  • whatsername

    I don't know why it did that but here you are: http://www.feministing.com/archives/014797.html

    As for it being malicious or not, the proof is in what was censored for me. Non-fiction like "She's Not the Man I Married" – sales rank taken, but outright porn that's heterosexual (like Playboy) – left alone. Looks specific and malicious to me.

  • Matt

    I typically don't buy at my local Pagan Book Store because they're a bit far (50 miles away) and Amazon offers a lot of books at a considerable discount or used. While you might see it as an issue of supporting local business and loyalty…consumers see it as convenience and cost.

    That and by buying online, you don't have to get up out of your arm chair. :)

  • http://erynn999.livejournal.com Erynn

    There are a lot of places online for buying used or discounted books, particularly if you go for remainders. ABE.com is one place that collates global sources for used books. Nobody has to use Amazon.

  • Amanda Sioux Blake

    Not anymore, now that I know about this! Seriously, Amazon has lost me forever, and I intend to send them an email telling them so.