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	<description>A modern Pagan perspective</description>
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		<title>By: Jv Krakowski</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jv Krakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and they say pagans have problems...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and they say pagans have problems&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Artisson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18390</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Artisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 00:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no &quot;true biblical view&quot; of Christianity. There is just the opinion of various ministers, denominations, churches, and traditions. Your view is not the &quot;true&quot; one, because there is no objective measure of  &quot;truth&quot; in these matters. You are a Christian troll coming here to spread your filth, and I sincerely hope that you come to understand how inappropriate you are, in pretty much every way.

PS: Welcome to the Wild Hunt. You can expect Ali and Cat to fly in and support you and defend you from me soon- tell them hi when you see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &quot;true biblical view&quot; of Christianity. There is just the opinion of various ministers, denominations, churches, and traditions. Your view is not the &quot;true&quot; one, because there is no objective measure of  &quot;truth&quot; in these matters. You are a Christian troll coming here to spread your filth, and I sincerely hope that you come to understand how inappropriate you are, in pretty much every way.</p>
<p>PS: Welcome to the Wild Hunt. You can expect Ali and Cat to fly in and support you and defend you from me soon- tell them hi when you see them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Artisson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18389</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Artisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that was deliciously, gently condescending, friend. You must feel very important having such a powerful commission to &quot;share with the rest of us&quot; from the supreme being.

Let me dialogue with you here a bit, just to return your loving example. True Pagans will not embrace Christianity, and it&#039;s not written anywhere that we have to love Christians in spite of our differences. In fact, smart pagans- and there are some- will not extend love into a hateful, judgmental void of lunacy or barely-concealed hostility; that is against nature itself, and against dignity. Instead, they will call intolerance out for what it is, and not pretend that intolerance is somehow unrelated to religions that teach intolerance, of which yours is one.

I know you&#039;ll say that you don&#039;t &quot;take it that way&quot;, but you&#039;re smugly condescending here, and your message is not wanted here. I can think of few places where it would be wanted, so old and tired a message as it is. All that &quot;message&quot; does is reveal your own pride, and if Pagans are wise, they&#039;d disregard you as all the wise of this world would.

We are not in need of salvation, from anything. Your fear mongering here, trying to get people to submit to your worldview of metaphysical helplessness, is one short step above disgusting. Your mind is diseased, from contact with your diseased and philosophically irrelevant religious tradition. You wouldn&#039;t know what real love or acceptance was if these things sat on your face and wriggled.

You don&#039;t love Pagans. you smugly extend what you think is warmth inside to them because you believe a being outside of yourself would want you to, and because you hope to be rewarded one day for this false piety with glory eternal. But you aren&#039;t going to get anything of the sort. You&#039;re going to get what everyone else gets- a long drop deep into the Underworld, and from there, a mysterious road to a destiny that only you can know or comprehend.

It won&#039;t be triumphal with angels and trumpets. You aren&#039;t going to sit among saints next to the throne of the Semitic storm god. You&#039;re going to be another piece of discarded flesh and another lost ghost, wandering in the Great Below shedding the delusions that it carried throughout life. You&#039;re going to learn what it means to be *one of us*, a human like everyone else, in a way you should have in this world. When it&#039;s happening, I hope your soul keeps enough wits through the death experience to remember that I told you this here today. If you bump into me down there (and I hope you will, because I&#039;m much better in person) I&#039;ll tell you all this again.

How&#039;s that for a &quot;die well&quot; wish? That&#039;s Pagan love, friend... an invitation to dialogue even beyond the grave...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that was deliciously, gently condescending, friend. You must feel very important having such a powerful commission to &quot;share with the rest of us&quot; from the supreme being.</p>
<p>Let me dialogue with you here a bit, just to return your loving example. True Pagans will not embrace Christianity, and it&#039;s not written anywhere that we have to love Christians in spite of our differences. In fact, smart pagans- and there are some- will not extend love into a hateful, judgmental void of lunacy or barely-concealed hostility; that is against nature itself, and against dignity. Instead, they will call intolerance out for what it is, and not pretend that intolerance is somehow unrelated to religions that teach intolerance, of which yours is one.</p>
<p>I know you&#039;ll say that you don&#039;t &quot;take it that way&quot;, but you&#039;re smugly condescending here, and your message is not wanted here. I can think of few places where it would be wanted, so old and tired a message as it is. All that &quot;message&quot; does is reveal your own pride, and if Pagans are wise, they&#039;d disregard you as all the wise of this world would.</p>
<p>We are not in need of salvation, from anything. Your fear mongering here, trying to get people to submit to your worldview of metaphysical helplessness, is one short step above disgusting. Your mind is diseased, from contact with your diseased and philosophically irrelevant religious tradition. You wouldn&#039;t know what real love or acceptance was if these things sat on your face and wriggled.</p>
<p>You don&#039;t love Pagans. you smugly extend what you think is warmth inside to them because you believe a being outside of yourself would want you to, and because you hope to be rewarded one day for this false piety with glory eternal. But you aren&#039;t going to get anything of the sort. You&#039;re going to get what everyone else gets- a long drop deep into the Underworld, and from there, a mysterious road to a destiny that only you can know or comprehend.</p>
<p>It won&#039;t be triumphal with angels and trumpets. You aren&#039;t going to sit among saints next to the throne of the Semitic storm god. You&#039;re going to be another piece of discarded flesh and another lost ghost, wandering in the Great Below shedding the delusions that it carried throughout life. You&#039;re going to learn what it means to be *one of us*, a human like everyone else, in a way you should have in this world. When it&#039;s happening, I hope your soul keeps enough wits through the death experience to remember that I told you this here today. If you bump into me down there (and I hope you will, because I&#039;m much better in person) I&#039;ll tell you all this again.</p>
<p>How&#039;s that for a &quot;die well&quot; wish? That&#039;s Pagan love, friend&#8230; an invitation to dialogue even beyond the grave&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Tolar</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18388</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Tolar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Christians will not embrace paganism, yet they will love the pagan in spite of their differences.  Although I am instructed by the teachings of Jesus to share the gospel with everyone, I am in no way supposed to force anyone to accept it.  I am only supposed tell others about how Jesus has saved me and give them an opportunity to receive Him for themselves.  If they do not ask Jesus to save them, I am to love them still, keep praying for them and not try to coerce them.  The consequences are to be determined and carried out by God as He and He alone is the judge.  I hope this lets you know that not every Pentecostal holds to Wagner&#039;s twisted teachings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Christians will not embrace paganism, yet they will love the pagan in spite of their differences.  Although I am instructed by the teachings of Jesus to share the gospel with everyone, I am in no way supposed to force anyone to accept it.  I am only supposed tell others about how Jesus has saved me and give them an opportunity to receive Him for themselves.  If they do not ask Jesus to save them, I am to love them still, keep praying for them and not try to coerce them.  The consequences are to be determined and carried out by God as He and He alone is the judge.  I hope this lets you know that not every Pentecostal holds to Wagner&#039;s twisted teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Tolar</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18387</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Tolar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though this has been posted for some time, I would like to add to this topic.  I am a born again, Spirit-filled minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet I disagree with the New Apostolic Reformation and C. Peter Wagner and his crowd.  I am currently trying to eduacte as many like minded Christians to their error.  While I do not agree with your paganism, these people do not represent the true Biblical view of Christianity.  However, so few Christians even read the Bible and know the teachings of love that Jesus taught that they are falling for the false teachings of the NAR and those associated with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though this has been posted for some time, I would like to add to this topic.  I am a born again, Spirit-filled minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet I disagree with the New Apostolic Reformation and C. Peter Wagner and his crowd.  I am currently trying to eduacte as many like minded Christians to their error.  While I do not agree with your paganism, these people do not represent the true Biblical view of Christianity.  However, so few Christians even read the Bible and know the teachings of love that Jesus taught that they are falling for the false teachings of the NAR and those associated with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18379</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realise C. Peter Wagner had gone so wacky, but then I&#039;ve been out of touch with the Neopentecostal scene for some time, and my knowledge is probably out of date.

I&#039;ll raise this for discussion, citing your post, on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nurel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Religious Movements discussion forum&lt;/a&gt;, and  see if anyone else knows more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realise C. Peter Wagner had gone so wacky, but then I&#8217;ve been out of touch with the Neopentecostal scene for some time, and my knowledge is probably out of date.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll raise this for discussion, citing your post, on the <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nurel/" rel="nofollow">New Religious Movements discussion forum</a>, and  see if anyone else knows more.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn Odinsson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/06/keeping-track-of-the-third-wave.html#comment-18378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjorn Odinsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hel yes! Heathen POWER! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hel yes! Heathen POWER! <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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