Comments on: Haunted by the "Third Wave" http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html A modern Pagan perspective Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: The Wild Hunt » The Third Wave’s Predictable Wallowing in Japan’s Tragedy http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19548 The Wild Hunt » The Third Wave’s Predictable Wallowing in Japan’s Tragedy Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:32:30 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19548 [...] obsession with spiritual warfare and destroying any faith they see as non-Christian. This includes bragging about giving a Wiccan cancer through group prayer and fighting all agents of the global-level demon they call the “Queen of Heaven”. [...] [...] obsession with spiritual warfare and destroying any faith they see as non-Christian. This includes bragging about giving a Wiccan cancer through group prayer and fighting all agents of the global-level demon they call the “Queen of Heaven”. [...]

]]> By: The Wild Hunt » Being Honest About Christian Triumphalism http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19547 The Wild Hunt » Being Honest About Christian Triumphalism Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:27:06 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19547 [...] let them at least be honest! Too often politicians with ties to extremist religious groups try to bury them deeply come election season, wearing an blandly faux-ecumenical mask to a voting public concerned more with the economy and [...] [...] let them at least be honest! Too often politicians with ties to extremist religious groups try to bury them deeply come election season, wearing an blandly faux-ecumenical mask to a voting public concerned more with the economy and [...]

]]> By: kiadragon http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19546 kiadragon Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:57:03 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19546 Fair enough. I may have missed your point, but that is only because I have always felt that using magic of any sort to attempt to influence major world events is metaphorically pissing into the wind. But I could be wrong. Remember that just because ancient spell commands the spirits to do a specific thing, that doesn't mean that it will work as advertised. However, I am not disputing that you or anyone else can or has made the magic work. I have no experience with it. My magic is more personally transformative than politically transformative. That makes me either very wise or a blind idiot who is missing the bigger picture. I have been accused of both. :) Fair enough. I may have missed your point, but that is only because I have always felt that using magic of any sort to attempt to influence major world events is metaphorically pissing into the wind.

But I could be wrong.

Remember that just because ancient spell commands the spirits to do a specific thing, that doesn't mean that it will work as advertised. However, I am not disputing that you or anyone else can or has made the magic work. I have no experience with it.

My magic is more personally transformative than politically transformative. That makes me either very wise or a blind idiot who is missing the bigger picture.

I have been accused of both. :)

]]> By: Ian http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19545 Ian Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:43:18 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19545 It may be of little value to make this point so long after the original post, but. I'd rather have the facts straightened than not. This statement is just factually wrong. Muthee has nothing to do with the child witch cases. The child witch cases are centered in the Cross River region of Nigeria while Muthee's ministry operates in Kenya. Muthee has no direct ties to the folks involved in the child witchcraft stuff, nor has he ever been accused of branding children as witches. Two different people, two different countries, two different flavors of African Christianity. Each which really need to be taken on their own terms before any comparisons get made. It may be of little value to make this point so long after the original post, but. I'd rather have the facts straightened than not.

This statement is just factually wrong.

Muthee has nothing to do with the child witch cases. The child witch cases are centered in the Cross River region of Nigeria while Muthee's ministry operates in Kenya. Muthee has no direct ties to the folks involved in the child witchcraft stuff, nor has he ever been accused of branding children as witches.

Two different people, two different countries, two different flavors of African Christianity. Each which really need to be taken on their own terms before any comparisons get made.

]]> By: Rufus Opus http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19544 Rufus Opus Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:36:44 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19544 You're missing the point, but I think we agree about what to do if all else has failed. My point was this: Magicians need to be more proactive. If you look at the Lemegeton's goetia, there are spirits listed with attributes sufficient to provide a magician with advanced warning of any kind of social movement that would result in ending up in an internment camp, or getting lynched for that matter. Purson springs to mind. A magician should have at least one familiar spirit similar to Purson who keeps him posted on what's going on in the world that will result in any kind of personal harm. Furthermore, the spirits in the Lem's Goetia provide things like favor with the ruling princes, and many ways of manipulating the governance of our country, state, city, or neighborhood. It shouldn't get to a point where a modern night of broken glass can manifest. You're talking about reacting to an already-existing mob of fascist idiots. I'm talking about eliminating the Vril Society before it can be used by a charismatic lunatic to create the kind of situation that led to WWII. You're missing the point, but I think we agree about what to do if all else has failed.

My point was this:

Magicians need to be more proactive. If you look at the Lemegeton's goetia, there are spirits listed with attributes sufficient to provide a magician with advanced warning of any kind of social movement that would result in ending up in an internment camp, or getting lynched for that matter. Purson springs to mind. A magician should have at least one familiar spirit similar to Purson who keeps him posted on what's going on in the world that will result in any kind of personal harm.

Furthermore, the spirits in the Lem's Goetia provide things like favor with the ruling princes, and many ways of manipulating the governance of our country, state, city, or neighborhood. It shouldn't get to a point where a modern night of broken glass can manifest.

You're talking about reacting to an already-existing mob of fascist idiots. I'm talking about eliminating the Vril Society before it can be used by a charismatic lunatic to create the kind of situation that led to WWII.

]]> By: kiadragon http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19543 kiadragon Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:36:01 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19543 Rufus, I agree with your passion. But a single mage or even a group of mages trying to hold back a mob of fascists idiots will always fail. If spells alone are the only way you have to fight off an attacker, you will perish under a tide of mob violence if you are unlucky in this incarnation. WWII was less than a century ago. Pagans and homosexuals are the new Jews. I will shoot both my wand and my rifle against anyone who comes to put me in a camp because of my religion. I hope you find your end as you wish it. "have to fire a gun, my "spells" will already have failed and I would deserve to be burned. If there's anything to this stuff we believe, and I know there is, then there's no excuse for anyone who has an inkling of how magic works to end up in a situation where they will fall victim to witch burner." You are not thinking there. Some of the finest mages in history (who could make you or me looking like a fluffy bunny) have be overpowered by the tide of human ignorance because they were as arrogant as your statement. Tell me all about how powerful your magic is when the flames come licking up your feet. Rufus, I agree with your passion. But a single mage or even a group of mages trying to hold back a mob of fascists idiots will always fail. If spells alone are the only way you have to fight off an attacker, you will perish under a tide of mob violence if you are unlucky in this incarnation. WWII was less than a century ago. Pagans and homosexuals are the new Jews. I will shoot both my wand and my rifle against anyone who comes to put me in a camp because of my religion. I hope you find your end as you wish it.

"have to fire a gun, my "spells" will already have failed and I would deserve to be burned. If there's anything to this stuff we believe, and I know there is, then there's no excuse for anyone who has an inkling of how magic works to end up in a situation where they will fall victim to witch burner."

You are not thinking there. Some of the finest mages in history (who could make you or me looking like a fluffy bunny) have be overpowered by the tide of human ignorance because they were as arrogant as your statement.

Tell me all about how powerful your magic is when the flames come licking up your feet.

]]> By: BryonMorrigan http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2009/11/haunted-by-the-third-wave.html#comment-19541 BryonMorrigan Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:37:56 +0000 http://patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/?p=3741#comment-19541 LOL. LOL.

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