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	<title>Comments on: After the Parliament: Who&#039;s Indigenous? Who&#039;s a NRM?</title>
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	<description>A modern Pagan perspective</description>
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		<title>By: Ash Jao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash Jao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be kidding me.  I&#039;m with Cat; I didn&#039;t vote for them to represent me either.  (How did you become king then, I didn&#039;t vote for you) Ok let&#039;s get real.  There is no indiginous, there is only reconstructionist.  Anyone saying otherwise is full of beans. And probably calls himself Lord So-And-So.
Let&#039;s stop this divisiveness before it gets out of hand (again).  We need unity.  Why can&#039;t we settle on being Pagans and leave it at that?  Or Earth-based or Nature-based religions? Grrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be kidding me.  I&#039;m with Cat; I didn&#039;t vote for them to represent me either.  (How did you become king then, I didn&#039;t vote for you) Ok let&#039;s get real.  There is no indiginous, there is only reconstructionist.  Anyone saying otherwise is full of beans. And probably calls himself Lord So-And-So.<br />
Let&#039;s stop this divisiveness before it gets out of hand (again).  We need unity.  Why can&#039;t we settle on being Pagans and leave it at that?  Or Earth-based or Nature-based religions? Grrrr</p>
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		<title>By: Kuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m inclined to agree that Wicca and the various modern traditions are not &quot;Pagan&quot; in the same way as reconstructionists or indigenous spiritualities. Just because something is an &quot;earth-based spirituality&quot; does not a pagan make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m inclined to agree that Wicca and the various modern traditions are not &quot;Pagan&quot; in the same way as reconstructionists or indigenous spiritualities. Just because something is an &quot;earth-based spirituality&quot; does not a pagan make.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilinah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, i understand this is a working definition, not a finality, in order to carry on dialog with other religions. Those at the Parliament were not attempting to define this for most individual people who consider themselves to be Pagan, neoPagan, Heathen, Witch, Wiccan, or on another related path.

The short 16 year history of the Parliament shows that great advances in communication and understanding among religious leaders have been achieved. I really do appreciate the hard work of the Pagans, neoPagans, and others who have been involved in calmly and articulately presenting the many and varied practices and beliefs of &#8220;us&#8221; to religious leaders who used to reject us, and are now willing to have meaningful conversations with &#8220;us&#8221;.

This may make little difference in our own personal practices. But it can eventually make a HUGE difference in reducing persecution and getting our religious rights recognized around the world.

I do have a complaint, however. Those of us practicing Southwest Asian paganisms have been left out. Where are we, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Sumerians, in the definition? I&#8217;m not entirely surprised we&#8217;re not there yet, since we are often not as well organized in a public presence as neoPagans, neoWiccans, Brit Trad Wiccans, etc., and various European oriented Reconstructionists.

I look forward to the PotWR continuing to further communication and understanding among religions. And i look forward to the eventual inclusion of Southwest Asian pagans, and others who have been omitted from the dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, i understand this is a working definition, not a finality, in order to carry on dialog with other religions. Those at the Parliament were not attempting to define this for most individual people who consider themselves to be Pagan, neoPagan, Heathen, Witch, Wiccan, or on another related path.</p>
<p>The short 16 year history of the Parliament shows that great advances in communication and understanding among religious leaders have been achieved. I really do appreciate the hard work of the Pagans, neoPagans, and others who have been involved in calmly and articulately presenting the many and varied practices and beliefs of &ldquo;us&rdquo; to religious leaders who used to reject us, and are now willing to have meaningful conversations with &ldquo;us&rdquo;.</p>
<p>This may make little difference in our own personal practices. But it can eventually make a HUGE difference in reducing persecution and getting our religious rights recognized around the world.</p>
<p>I do have a complaint, however. Those of us practicing Southwest Asian paganisms have been left out. Where are we, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Sumerians, in the definition? I&rsquo;m not entirely surprised we&rsquo;re not there yet, since we are often not as well organized in a public presence as neoPagans, neoWiccans, Brit Trad Wiccans, etc., and various European oriented Reconstructionists.</p>
<p>I look forward to the PotWR continuing to further communication and understanding among religions. And i look forward to the eventual inclusion of Southwest Asian pagans, and others who have been omitted from the dialog.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Kerfuffalo Rising &#171; Pagan Godspell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Kerfuffalo Rising &#171; Pagan Godspell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh wait. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oh wait. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apuleius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apuleius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the additional information. It sounds to me like rather small beer as far as &quot;racism&quot; goes. In fact I don&#039;t see how it merits that designation. But then that would take us down the road of having to define &quot;racism&quot; as well. I&#039;ll just say that I agree with those who think that there has to be some level of societal institutionalization and that the targets have to face a genuine pattern of racism that seriously disadvantages people throughout their lives. Even that understates matters dramatically.

As far as monotheism goes, I agree with Egyptologist Jan Assmann who characterizes monotheism like this: &quot;For these religions, and these religions alone, the truth to be proclaimed comes with an enemy to be fought.&quot; I find it interesting that Assmann self-identifies as a monotheist in his most recent book &quot;The Price of Monotheism&quot;. He apparently believes that it is somehow possible to radically reform monotheistic religions, but only once monotheists are willing to face up and try to alter the intrinsic tendency to intolerance that has always been part of monotheism qua monotheism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the additional information. It sounds to me like rather small beer as far as &quot;racism&quot; goes. In fact I don&#039;t see how it merits that designation. But then that would take us down the road of having to define &quot;racism&quot; as well. I&#039;ll just say that I agree with those who think that there has to be some level of societal institutionalization and that the targets have to face a genuine pattern of racism that seriously disadvantages people throughout their lives. Even that understates matters dramatically.</p>
<p>As far as monotheism goes, I agree with Egyptologist Jan Assmann who characterizes monotheism like this: &quot;For these religions, and these religions alone, the truth to be proclaimed comes with an enemy to be fought.&quot; I find it interesting that Assmann self-identifies as a monotheist in his most recent book &quot;The Price of Monotheism&quot;. He apparently believes that it is somehow possible to radically reform monotheistic religions, but only once monotheists are willing to face up and try to alter the intrinsic tendency to intolerance that has always been part of monotheism qua monotheism.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie Buchanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this, A.C..  We&#039;re just home and I will be attempting to address some things shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, A.C..  We&#039;re just home and I will be attempting to address some things shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Erynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you folks did some fantastic work. Unfortunately, that sort of thing often gets lost in internal politics and terminology. I suspect a lot of people find it easier to deal with something closer to hand and more personal and so that&#039;s where they put their attention. Congratulations on your meeting with the Obama administration. I&#039;m looking forward to seeing more of what came out of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you folks did some fantastic work. Unfortunately, that sort of thing often gets lost in internal politics and terminology. I suspect a lot of people find it easier to deal with something closer to hand and more personal and so that&#039;s where they put their attention. Congratulations on your meeting with the Obama administration. I&#039;m looking forward to seeing more of what came out of that.</p>
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