Quick Note: Are Salem Lawmakers Regretting the Psychic Boom?

In the “Witch City” of Salem, psychic readings are a big business. In recent years the city has relaxed their regulations on licensing psychics, causing a boom in the number of (largely seasonal) practitioners plying their trade within Salem’s Fall/Halloween tourist economy. While many have welcomed the boom in business, some local politicians seem to be having some second thoughts about the sustainability of their current situation.

Monday night, City Councilor Joan Lovely came before the Licensing Board to discuss the proliferation of licenses. While she didn’t propose a cap or limit, the issue came up. “I don’t think we want a fortuneteller on every corner,” Lovely said at one point. [...] “At this point, it’s not far from being out of control,” member John Casey said after the meeting. Lovely, a lawyer, said she planned to discuss the “constitutional issues” of a cap with City Solicitor Beth Rennard.

The Salem News also interviews some local business owners and readers who are as “concerned about the skyrocketing numbers as anyone else.” Not interviewed is any voice in defense of the expanded numbers of psychic licenses and practitioners. That voice had to be provided in the comments, from Salem business-owner (Hex and Omen) and promoter Christian Day, who campaigned three years ago to relax regulations on psychic services, and runs the annual Festival of the Dead.

Speaking as the employer of the largest number of psychic readers and the single largest generator of psychic license revenue in the city of Salem, I want to go on record as being strongly against any sort of caps. While they would probably not affect existing businesses such as mine, the issue of caps concerns me two other reasons entirely.

First, I think there are serious constitutional issues with limiting fair trade, especially when that trade centers around a practice so intrinsically tied up with religious belief systems such as Witchcraft, Wicca, Paganism, Spiritualism, and other faiths that embrace psychic work. In an age where so many people calling for less government intrusion into our lives, we should not be looking for more ways to regulate everything that businesses do, especially when those practices are an extension of the religious beliefs of a people. We would never dream of trying to restrict a Catholic gift shop as it is encompassed by the greater spiritual mission of the church.

The question now is if this is simply political posturing, or if Lovely, Casey, and other local politicians are testing the waters for a cap. There’s always been some tension between those who embrace the Mardi Gras atmosphere of Halloween in Salem, and those who’d prefer to emphasize other, more sedate, historical features. Preferring a Salem that was more, well, stereotypically “New England” in composition. The problem is that people love the Witches, and come to see them in droves.

“Last year, the City of Salem commissioned a marketing study that asked participants why they chose Salem. Among the various attractions that were checked off, like architecture (64.3%), maritime history (65.9%), and shopping (55.4%), 88.8% of participants included the Modern Witch in their response.”

Further, Salem-area Pagans are growing demographic (reportedly around 10% of the population), one that might not look too kindly on any measure that could be construed as anti-Witch in its intentions; and Salem’s economy, like many places in the United States, has suffered in recent years. Would a cap hinder one of their few growth industries? These are all questions and concerns that will no doubt be aired soon, as it looks like a renewed debate over these issues is looming.

  • http://norsealchemist.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

    Of course, there are a couple legitimate reasons to worry about having too many fortune tellers. One is flooding the market, which means that there would be no real revenue for those plying their trade, to the point where many would stop doing that kind of work there. Not to mention over exposure. There is too much of a good thing, and while people are going to Salem for the witches, too many witches becomes mundane and it looses the thrill that brought people there. And if Salem bases too much of its economy on Witch related things and people's tastes change, then Salem is left with a theme that is "outdated and cheesy" while people move on to the next new thing.

    I can't say that's what's driving this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the reason for these talks.

    • Bookhousegal

      Agreed. However successful of one, there needs to be more than a one-note tourist industry, to the place.

      Of course, trying to regulate 'fortune-telling' is usually in a context of people not wanting *any* rather than concerns there may actually be *too much.* Don't get me wrong: I think the fun stuff's great and an interesting opportunity to show what a thriving Pagan community can do, but what we can do is a lot more than 'entertainment.'

      And there's also a lot more to Salem, too: I have ancestral ties there not exactly related to the Puritan witch-hunts or any of that, and, though, let me tell you it was a heck of a thing to be in the presence of those townie ancestors amid a Samhain revel down the main street, it's also to me a sign that more depth than just theatrics would be a very welcome thing. (Not to judge progress or anything, there : I haven't been back there in a rather long time.)

      If the community's that big there, I'd want to see more than divination and bric-a-brac… I know it takes more captial, but let's see Pagan restaurants, pubs, bakeries, practical businesses that serve the whole community, etc. Plenty of room to ham it up a little, but I do think it'd be good to see some more of that, anyway.

      Too much of the same thing doesn't really help the place as a tourist destination, anyway. :)

      • Baruch Dreamstalker

        The problem is, the local politicians are treating this as an either/or situation while a both/and solution is so clearly within reach. It is entirely possible to mount a "Visit Beautiful Salem" tourism campaign that makes no mention of the witches but emphasizes the architectural, historic and maritime attractions of the town. And they are real; I've been there. (Not lately, but I have.) Tourism within the same town is not a zero-sum game.

        • ES1966

          If the Halloween 365/24/7 attractions are off putting to people who would come for historical tourism and causes a perceived detraction from them, it's not a zero sum game but it does start to approach it.

          If you're into architecture, historical or maritime tourism, there are many, many other places in New England you can go to that are quiet and traditional. Places you can go without having to put up with anything else. People will just go there rather than to Salem. That effectively puts Salem out of that market unless they have something utterly unique that can't be found anywhere else.

          • Bookhousegal

            Well, that's one of the problems, ES. The 'witchy' stuff *is* in large measure *is* what makes Salem seem unique, no matter how many other (Or how generally-worthy) tourist campaigns they launch. The last time I was there, it seemed that with the blue-collar jobs and businesses and neighborhoods looking to be in a fairly sorry state, it seemed the *real* tension was between those wanting to gentrify for the big-money real estate development, and those relying on the infusions of tourist money to get through the year, directly and indirectly.

            Boston area real estate was getting pretty ridiculous that way long before the housing bubble burst, and Salem's not the only New England town that's varyingly had to cope with gentrification, as well as the lower-income issues the North Shore's had for some time. I considered moving there at one point: (precisely because the spirit of the place is more than a few haunted houses to me, but what an interesting place to be Pagan, I suppose.) Nonetheless it was clear there wasn't exactly a lot of relief from the rent crisis *there.*

            If ninety percent of the visitors included seeing the 'modern witches' in their reasons for coming, that's hardly a bad thing when it comes to differentiating the town for the tourist industry, and it hardly seems 'off-putting' in that regard, perhaps so much as being perceived as somewhat at odds with a lot of longstanding local sensibilities.

            Again, my impression is from a number of years ago was actually that a lot of the *maritime* history had turned into kind of a lot shops next to some really exclusive marina space. (Nice shops, though.) …and a lot of what I remembered from childhood as having more of 'townie' life to it seemed fairly deserted. I'd suspected a bit more sense of maritime *activity* might breathe some life into it.

            For what that's worth, it seems to me it'd be as well to emphasize more cooperation with the community, tie it all together and have each rather promoting the other.

            I really don't know much about the composition of the Pagan population cited there: (How much really is just people who can turn a Tarot card or something) but Pagans are about more than 'spooky' factor and magical showmanship and all: maybe Salem's a chance to show somewhat more depth, and that'd include some Pagan values like sustainability and, yes, cooperation. Our presence in a place shouldn't *be* a zero-sum game: I suggest we don't play that way. :)

  • http://quakerpagan.blogspot.com/ Cat_C_B

    Almost always lost in discussions of Salem by Pagans outside the area: a good many New England Witches and Pagans find the Salem commercialism crass and embarrassing. You don't have to be anti-Pagan to find Salem something less than an ideal neighbor.

    Just sayin'.

    • Bookhousegal

      I suppose there's always been that factor: I suppose that there's kitsch and fun and then there's the periodic *drama* about it, which is I think more embarrassing than the fact it's obviously kind of theme-parkey that way. I suppose somewhere along the line I just figured I'd take that much for what it is.

      Being pretty interested in Pagan community wherever, it's darn interesting to consider the possibilities of a town with anywhere near that big a Pagan population of any kind, especially one that may be economically-valued. (Even for crass commercialism: I think that from afar it's actually not seen as the 'embarrassment' we New Englanders worry it is, really. Taken seriously in general? Maybe that's a different matter at times. )

      I'd be pretty interested to see what could be and perhaps is being built on that. If I were there I'd be thinking along similar lines to what I would in many towns dealing with gentrification and tourist economies and a lot of the other local issues. There are practicalities about shifting economies that I think means our community does have a lot to offer, and perhaps it'd be well for Salem to be seeing more of Pagans *than* the tourist theater. (Not to give short shrift to any efforts and progress actually made in that regard: as I mentioned, I haven't been back in years, but I think we've got a lot more to offer than just the popular spookiness, and with numbers like that, it's possible Pagans could do as much as any minority community to add some real local color (With depth, and also with 'local,' ) …..as a real and integrated part of the community.

      It's hard to tell how that may be going just from occasional news bits about controversies, but I can see the appeal of being there anyway, just with a bit of a perusal of Google Earth. Maybe some of it's cheesy and all, but it sure *looks* Pagan-friendly, which isn't something we always see so much of.

      And, I dunno, if some of it's a theme park, I suppose it may as well be a good one. If you think about it, if Pagans didn't do that bit, someone else would, and that's rarely any more flattering. :)

      • http://rootandrock.blogspot.com Scylla

        That's the problem, though – getting Pagans to cooperate and do something other than sit around, complain, whine, snipe at each-other, do absolutely nothing, break into cliques and backbite just out of earshot.

        In a regular group of 30 it's damned difficult, in a city of thousands?

        Gods preserve the person who tries to herd that many cats…

        • Bookhousegal

          Who needs a herd when you can.. Live in a town? :)

          People can be a vibrant part of their community without being 'herded.'

          • http://rootandrock.blogspot.com Scylla

            "Herding cats" is a very old turn of phrase meaning "attempting to organize something that seems to derive pleasure from thwarting you".

            I do work with my community – a great number of them seen to enjoy thwarting all attempts to create something "more". It's been the same nearly everywhere I've lived, no matter what level of participation was expected of anyone. I cannot imagine Salem would be any different.

            We can dream, and we should. And those of us who are able to work together should make the effort. But we also need to be reasonable and realize for every one person who wants to "do something", there will be at least ten who won't lift a finger, unless it's to complain that they're "doing it wrong."

          • Bookhousegal

            I'm quite aware of the turn of phrase, particularly as regards the Pagan community, though not before in terms of assuming some malice on the part of the metaphorical felines. :)

            My point was, in fact, that a population of thousands of Pagans in the same town, …especially one that seems to benefit from a certain amount of local color, …it doesn't have to be on the model of 'someone gets an idea and tries to get a small group to dedicate themselves to it.'

            I'd go so far as to say that most of us are so *used* to that idea: that to have anything it's about trying to rope together a bunch of individualists, get them to agree and somehow keep them motivated to cooperate …For every single event or thing.

            The wider society and getting by in it is in fact pretty much structured *around* most people being a rather disconnected lot of over-worked spectators. Especially without some of the advantages of bigger religions, it's no surprise if it takes a great deal of effort to pull disparate groups together.

            Of course in a population of five thousand, it seems one in ten showing willing for any given thing, maybe different things, that'd be pretty darn good, actually. I'm talking about something a little more organic than the idea that it'd have to be "Getting Together On A Project."

            Talking about maybe some weavers, smiths, artists, managers, bakers, all the rest, doing businesses and interacting, well, as a population. The bigger things are, the more that 'top-down-ness' probably becomes *less* necessary or viable. It's kind of why I'm big on considering the wider community, as well, rather than acting as though every little thing must be planned and agreed upon. Synergy as a diverse community rather than contrivance. See what I mean?

            I think in a lot of places, where the Pagan community may be going is in fact in terms of that very community and culture. The Net's mostly good for talking (and arguing.) Less so for other things.

  • Riva

    Since when were Witches a side show? I do hope folks get tired of us and move on. Seriously.

    • Baruch Dreamstalker

      A tourist attraction isn't a side show. Cathedrals and temples all over the world are tourist attractions. Being such is a situation of inclusion, not marginalization.

      • Bookhousegal

        I do think it's definitely something we'd do better to improve than to just scorn and hope it goes away: if every Pagan left Salem, there'd still be money there, and then you'd just have hucksters and worse. I'd rather see things mature. The sensationalism could well fade somewhat behind something of more substance. Or at least have a context. (Then maybe an occasional Mardi Gras atmosphere would be all well and good. You know, mirth *and* reverence. :) )

  • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

    It's disappointing to me that any psychic would try to employ the nanny state in such a protectionist manner, but I am encouraged that this number is not many. Were I driven by pure profit, I would be at the front of the parade saying, "cap 'em!" Heck, I already have my two shop licenses and will always have my psychic fair license every October. I hire more psychics than anyone else in the city of Salem, so naturally, friends will ask me if I'm crazy for not jumping on this bandwagon. But I won't, because it isn't fair.

    In 2007, when I fought for the expansion of the licenses, which at the time were limited to four shop licenses and five licenses for individuals, it was in part to protect my psychic fair (which wasn't covered under the ordinance at all but was granted annual exceptions to it) and in part to help the shops that wanted readers but couldn't get them. At the time, I didn't own a shop and had no intention of owning one, but i felt like the law on its face was wrong. I think the current one in place is wrong, but it's much less wrong.

    The only reason they have licenses for psychics at all is so that they can remind us all of how fraudulent many of us are. I have first-hand experience with that. And maybe some are fraudulent but, increasingly, many psychics are growing beyond the constraints of sideshow fortune-tellers into people who take what they do as seriously as their clients do. So, on their face, I believe fortune-telling ordinances should be done away with. If they want to have a basic fee for one, just so the government can squeeze us out of more money, fine, but the overall tone of these licenses is always one that belittles what we do and they should continue to be challenged wherever they are, sometimes legally, and sometimes, as I do, by getting involved. I have too great a relationship with city leaders to file a lawsuit, but I do represent my interests at city meetings relating to this whenever I can. Of course, this latest meeting caught me at unawares and somehow I didn't know it was happening. The "SNEWS" never contacted me either. Big shocker. They've always had an agenda here. But now I know about it, and now I'm primed for action.

    In the case of Salem, those seeking to fan these flames need to be careful. Many of the psychics in the Witch City are ordained ministers. How hard would it be, really, for many of us, The Cabot Tradition, the Correllian Tradition, The Church of Trinacrian Rose to which I belong, to name but a few, to bring our shops and psychic services completely under the tax-exempt umbrella of our religious faith? By all rights, we should be doing already, just as any Catholic gift shop does. The amount of revenue lost on the local, state, and federal level would be astronomical, and justified. The days when these interests can pick on the Witches is over. We've got a lot more numbers these days and with numbers comes power. (continued)

  • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

    (continued from previous comment)

    As for those psychics who would restrict future people plying their trade, it's just hypocritical. Teri Kalgren, featured in the article, would simply not have a license at all were it not for my hard work in 2007 and now that my work got her that license, she's going to try to restrict it for future people? How is that not hypocrisy in the highest? Barbara Szafranski, who had one store license prior to 2007 and was vehemently against the changes three years ago, figured if she couldn't beat 'em, she'd join 'em, and used the 2007 changes to open a second psychic shop with a second store license. But here she is again, looking for the nanny state to protect her. I adore her as a person and think she's to be commended for continuing to run a business as long as she has, but I think she's wrong here. Without digressing too much, when we social progressives wonder why so many folks still adhere to the right wing in this day and age of reason, I really want you to think about the fact that it's often the right wing that is the strongest voice against such nanny-state protectionism and, as a business owner, I find this very attractive, not only for my business but for the forgotten voice in all of this … the consumer.

    If we truly need government to step in and protect psychics from competition, then how good could they possibly be? I don't require this protection. My staff has impeccable talents. They would prosper whether they were the only ones here or if there actually was a psychic on every corner. The free market should decide who succeeds in this industry and who does not. To pass ordinances protecting psychics from competition ensures that they don't have to be great at what they do and ensures that the consumer suffers a lack of quality. Sure, I doubt that's really the intentions of those city leaders who would institute this cap. For them, protecting psychics from competition becomes a convenient ruse for what their real intention is, keeping the tone of the city from becoming too associated with Witches, psychics, and other magical fare. But they don't have the right to do that. And, because many psychics are part of Pagan religious groups, we should stand particularly strong against this. I think it's about time this was made, nationally, an issue of our faith, and I'm very glad that you, Jason, continue to talk about this.

    Blessings,

    Christian Day

    • Boohousegal

      Well, Christian, one thing I can say is that harping on the partisan slogan 'nanny state' is a little disappointing, especially in someone presenting himself as Pagan clergy as well as a business owner. I don't think embroiling the Pagan community in that intractable partisanship is the way to elevate the local dialogue, *especially* if you want to make it a 'national issue of our faith.'

      While there's of course a lot more at play, notably anti-Pagan sentiments and the ways that divination practices and Pagan businesses in general are singled out for a lot of government (and private) discrimination, there is the simple fact that 'the free market' is no panacaea: if it were, then the fishing industry wouldn't be in such a state up there.

      It's one thing to expect fairness and equal opportunities, and to stand for those, but Communities *do* have a say in the shape of those communities: while I highly doubt the people in city government trying to put undue restrictions on the practice of the trade *because it's divination* are necessarily being too reasonable about it, either, denying this means you're no better than Wal-mart. Through that 'Nanny State,' the people pay for the roads that get your clients to you, and provide all manner of support for the commerce you do.

      Getting up there, presenting yourself as Pagan clergy and disrespecting that, especially through partisan talking points, well, that's troubling to me in a lot of ways, not the least of them being that there are much bigger religions with a lot more ambition and clout and money that are perfectly capable of spending their way into hegemonies I doubt we'd find very fun (or profitable, for that matter) to live in. We don't much like it when someone else does this, and we should expect more of ourselves and our own.

      It's not to dismiss what you may be up against, not at all, but 'embracing the right wing' over it is hardly what I call a winning equation: for starters, if you look at who they actually *elect,* those people are perfectly happy to both be hostile to minority religious practices *and* use financial muscle to fish out any market they can make a buck off of, whatever the cost to towns and communities, and that includes beggaring your customers.

      It's not a position to try associating our religion with. Many Pagans are very independently-minded, but you make your living in a tourist town with some traffic issues. I suggest you respect the neighbors. Consider that as much as the Right talks about the free market, you're dealing with conservative elements that *do* fear they're 'losing control of their town.' (As well as want to see the money coming in.) Maybe talking in absolutes regarding how many fortune-telling shops are there, just isn't the winning equation.

      The simple fact is that individual businesses tend to see money in something that's popular, then figure they can do one more. (Often a lot get the same idea at the same time, and seem to appear all at once. ) No one thinks they'll be the one that'll make up 'Too much.' The problem to worry about isn't so much 'competition' as *fishing out the pond,* so to speak. And I tend to get the impression that at least seasonally, Salem can be a pretty big pond for that, actually.

      Maybe what's needed is some sort of more-responsive plan or framework. My thoughts from afar run to making sure too much of the town isn't wall-to-wall fortunetellers: keeping things somewhat diversified rather than limiting how many *people* can do readings. Just some thoughts.

      As a 'national issue' we all know that anti-fortunetelling laws can be highly discriminatory against minority religions. That's a whole other kettle of fish that perhaps shouldn't be mixed up in 'free market' ideology and al that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

        In the case of Salem, the free market ideal absolutely comes into play because other psychics are screaming for these limitations as much as the people who just want to get rid of psychics because they don't like them. And frankly, if the free market is partisan, than I'm proudly partisan. I think protecting any business from competition is sad. On a national level, it's typically more of an issue of just religious freedom, but here, you've got the added bonus of the uncle toms playing to the persecutors in hopes of establishing a protectionist policy. It is what is is.

        • Bookhousegal

          Well, one thing that *I've* learned to be pretty skeptical of is Big Salem Drama. The air's pretty thick there, any way you slice it, and it often seems *everything* turns into some bitter war of absolutes and sometimes-well voluble personalities. Particularly when, of course, money's involved.

          Especially when the line is blurred between 'Commercializing the 'Salem Witch' thing for the tourists' and starting to mix money interest and politics in with the old *religion* And, really, 'Pagan community.'

          'Proudly' or not, partisanship in the name of personal business interests is *not* something I think I can get behind. Yes, religious rights *are* involved, but they shouldn't be hung on some ideology of 'Money talks, whatever the community wants.' It does neither you nor *us* any good to have 'Pagans' actualy *become* some icon of 'Losing one's town to a theme park.'

          I think what you need there are some *solutions,* and ones with enough of the community behind them: …understanding that you may not be talking with people who are very reasonable themselves, perhaps the answer isn't really to be saying, "Yes, we should be able to turn the town into a full-time Psychic Fair!…. Not that that seems a likely possibility, anyway. I know how town politics can be, but it seems things ought to be kept very clear on what's a matter of civil rights, and what's really about what's good for the whole town. I tend to doubt that that good has all *that* much to do with trying to restrict fortunetelling, but maybe as a businessperson, presenting some kind of figures on what's actually happening and what actually would be *likely* to happen would be more productive.

          I honestly don't think that in these times, chaining the cause to unfettered capitalism is very likely to go over so big, anyway, *especially* if it's cast in terms of 'witches' vs 'People having a say in their own town.'

          Who are your allies, there?

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I've got more allies here than anyone in the Witch community, frankly, both within the Witch world and without. I'm the only Witch (or warlock *grin*) to sit on the board of directors of our official office of tourism and have donated my time to the city for a number of projects over the years. The majority of the non-Witch owned business leaders and non-profit administrators work with and respect me because they know that when I show up at meetings, I'm not just wearing the pointy hat. I'm rolling up my sleeves and ready to work to promote everything that Salem has to offer, from the Witch to the maritime history, the architecture to the great restaurants, the arts and culture to the importance of the trials of 1692.

            The psychics mentioned in this article are generally people who only come out of their holes to bitch about things and are not there for the general promotions of the city. From what I understand behind the scenes, the reason this issue is coming up at all, which the article doesn't say in a classic case of typical bad reporting on the part of the Salem News, is because the licensing board itself said it's overwhelmed with the number of licenses being applied for. I still don't agree with protectionist policies. It's not about unfettered capitalism. It's about the quality of the product. If I never have to worry about competition, then what motivation do I have to stay on my toes? I love the competition. I think it forces me to make sure that I have the most talented psychcis the city has to offer … and I believe that I do.

            I am the *last* person to say that Salem should be nothing but psychics or Witches, but there are half a dozen empty storefronts downtown that could become this type of store or that. They don't tend to last because locals don't tend to support those businesses when we have them, however much they scream that they want them. There are a number of factors involved in that. I think converting Essex Street to a drivable street will attract more anchor type shops, perhaps like outlets or what have you, but in the state it's in, it won't attract those types of stores and this has been commented on by a number of retail experts. Salem has so much to offer, but there's never been a real strategy for what they do want and can have and "getting rid of psychics" is hardly the strategy for success. You don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg in order to add some vegetables to the table. It simply makes no good sense.

          • Bookhousegal

            I think we can agree there, (Not a question of 'who has *more* allies, btw, just who are the ones you've *got* in that town. Local business community certainly counts. :) )

            Competition can certainly be useful, …I don't think it's the *only* thing, particularly when it comes to both magic *and* mass-marketing, not to mention entertainment. It can bring out the 'most greedy' and 'selling the least for the most' as easily as it can lead to better quality of services, art, etc. I do think that a sense of *strategy* for and in context of local business models might well even put paid to notions there really needs to be some official cap on it.

            I think any of us know that divination/fortunetelling services can be a really low-overhead way to make some extra money, kind of like nail salons, that way… current economic times certainly favor a lot of that sort of stuff, and there may well be questions of just how much the market will really bear that way.

            I've been looking at those Google maps and street views for a while, (what there are of them: they seem neither complete nor very current: sure does look pretty built-up there near the waterfront, and certainly puts paid to any notions of witchy-theme-parkeyness: even like 'Count Orlok's Nightmare Gallery' looks like it could be a gentrified Walgreen's. :) (Maybe that's appropriate fo the name, I dunno. :) )

            I do see those vacant storefronts as potential opportunities, or at least they would be if the rents weren't still close to the bubble-values in a lot of places: many of them will keep the rents up for a big writeoff, which doesn't help anyone making a go of a new business in lean times, for sure.

            As a town, I think it's got a lot of great stuff and great spots and walks in it, but my impression when I was last there was that the place kinda sucked for walkability: you'd meander around and barely take in any charm before you hit a parking lot. There's something pretty disconnected about the layout, and perhaps it doesn't actually help if so much looks just like suburban gentrification-conformity.

            I'd really be like, "OK, you already built the things, put up some brick and cementatious clapboard, there, go for it." I think what I'm really more worried about is sanitizing the place more than getting *too* cheesy. If it may as well be downtown Wellesley, what's the point?

            I think Salem's spirit is to me more than romanticized pasts of Puritans and whalers, or a spooky show, anyway. What seems to be lost is even some of the town as I remember it, and my father does, …the shop *they* owned in the mid-twentieth century and the stories about kids high- diving off the bridge, and maybe even some of the run-down townienesses of a declining seaport… continuity… Stuff you can't really get by being either a museum or a real-estate model. :)

            (It's one reason why as a Pagan I've felt no small tug to *be* there. Not cause of 'Witches,' but cause I *am* one, and my ancestors are there. Just they got there a couple-few centuries later than any given burning times. :) Sometimes I'd go take comfort in the place where you could get a dreadful beer on tap and look at the fish-nets full of plastic lobsters someone's great aunt thought would be themely or something. Not to romanticize decline or something, but I think one of the taps still said 'Schaeffer' on it. :) )

            I dunno, though. Outlet stores? Maybe. Maybe one street or another for vehicle traffic, maybe.

            Being Pagan in that town like that when some consumerist models are gasping like a beached striper? Well, just maybe it'd indeed be a chance to do a little more. I mean, I dunno. Suppose there *could* be other Pagan-run businesses there. Sell some gen-u-wine Pagan handcrafts, (and certainly do some readings and such for the busy-season to keep viable. We're certainly not a 'You Must Buy Stuff' sort of religious path, are we? I think as a result, we happen to be pretty good *at* 'stuff. ')

            I'm not necessarily one that thinks cars really solve anything, and I also don't think that the model of outside chain-stores is any way to have a thriving town center, but yeah, Strategy. Something proactive rather than trying to fight over philosophies might really be something Pagan eyes can bring to the situation, especially with a community that size. It's more than the main drag, too, but what's *behind* that main drag. Can Pagan artists and smiths and all those rest get by in that town? Can it support a co-op offering something you *can't* get at a mall?

            If it's sorta-semi-walkable, how viable would a bit more shutltle-bus sort of service be, maybe those that look like trolleys?

            Things like that.

          • Kelly Dugery

            "Can Pagan artists and smiths and all those rest get by in that town? Can it support a co-op offering something you *can't* get at a mall? "

            I'd like to try a hand at answering that if I may. We do have a couple of places here in town where local crafters, Pagan or not, can sell their wares year round (I am both Pagan and a local artist). The biggest is "The Crafter's Market" down on Pickering Wharf (I sell my stuff there, actually). There is also a smaller shop up on Essex St called "Remember Salem," but The Crafter's Market has been here the longest and has better rates, IMHO. TCM rents booth space for $50-$100 depending on size and charges 10% of total sales. RS is strictly consignment and takes 40% of each sales.

            The problem isn't so much a lack of places for Pagan crafters to sell their wares if they want to. The problem is people (tourists and locals) are so used to buying mass produced "art" on the cheap that handmade arts and crafts have to be practically given away before anyone will buy it. The fact that what they are buying is a true one of a kind piece. I used to do the two big city run street fairs, one in August and one in October, and I would have tons of people come into my tent, "ooo" and "awww" about how pretty and unique my work was, and then they would walk away. Spending $125 for a one of a kind, hand made, 15" tall, 24" long dragon statue was "too much." But then I would see the same people across the walkway dropping more than that on face paint, henna tattoos, fart spray (seriously!) and "potato guns."

            Even my fellow Pagans would rather spend their money on cheap tourist trash made in China than support a fellow Pagan and local artist, even though I had some items for as little as $10.

            Myself and a couple of other local Pagan artist friends have talked about opening a shop that would exclusively carry Pagan created arts and crafts. But since our fellow Pagans would apparently rather buy the same old "Azure Green" stuff you can find all over the internet and carried in every tourist trap in town… including "witch shops"…. or the same old mass produced "Amy Brown" fairies and Windstone dragons, why should we bother to fork over the outrageous rents charged for shop space here in Salem?

          • Bookhousegal

            Heheh. (Sorry, had to laugh about the fart spray and potato guns: I suppose you never know when you might need those. :) No accounting for taste, of course.

            I suppose those are familiar-enough problems to anyone trying to sell pieces of art and such: Of course, just the selling end is hard enough: but a lot of how viable a town may places may be also has a lot to do with the cost of living and rents, both for selling and for just plain living and working in a place, not just who buys. To be quite honest, I might just ooh and ah at a hundred twenty five dollar statue and consider it a fair price, it doesn't mean I'm the same person as spends much on such things. (Or fart spray, for that matter.)

            Though I think it's just that kind of scheme which often means it *is* very difficult to compete with cheap imports, even if there are tourist dollars around, and the markup just on having it out there cuts any profit to the bone. Especially, perhaps in 'impulse buy' circumstances. But it's part of why I was thinking of co-ops and perhaps other community models, as well… (And more than trying to sell *each other* art, perhaps. Which isn't always a winning game when the community's not taking in or spending a lot on such items to begin with. It can be hard enough in towns where the vendors' fees are pretty nominal, really.

            Questions of how the residential rents and cost of living is arranged, is workshop space unreasonable to get together, how much can people do for each other, etc. I suspect that overseas shipping costs and the price differentials, currency issues, etc that's contributed to all this won't be lasting forever, whatever happens next in the economy, and if there's a bounce regarding the kind of economy we've been working with, well, perhaps this will mean the appeal of all that cheap stuff from China and the like may be over with.

            Takes a while to catch on, but there seems to be a lot of benefit to local currencies, barter networks, various programs by which in fact unused warehouses and factories become art and craft cooperatives, and even markets of their own, and these are the kinds of things that can really make a lot of things viable where trying to fight the whole market as individuals isn't much of a proposition. (It can also free up cash-flow for things like art if someone traded some plumbing work they could do for an item they needed, instead of sent money out the door, then they can pay Thereon Oakenshield the HVAC guy up the way for some efficiency improvements, instead of sending more money away to the power company every month, and Mr. Oakenshield can buy your statue, so you're off the Wonder-bread and buying the local baked goods this month: basically all the things that have gone berserk about the consumerist economy can turn around and go the other way, too, if things are given a chance that way. That's the kind of thing I'm personally interested in hearing about. :) )

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I love how basically insulted Witch shops in town by putting it in quotes. It's typical of you, Kelly.

            For the record, I have a very strong mix of handcrafted items versus the "made in China. But just as I tire of Provincetown because it seems as though every lesbian thinks she can paint, sculpt, or draw, I tire of what my best friend, the late Shawn Poirier, described as "loving hands at home." Items can be handcrafted without looking like crap and, frankly, 90% of what I've seen from Pagan crafters, particularly on Etsy, is horrific. Many shops take it anyway because it's all that's there. For my shops, I'll pass. If shops in town aren't carrying your "art," maybe it's because it's not very good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/zaracon Larry Zaracon Sodders

    well said Mr Day

    • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

      Thanks Larry! :)

  • http://military.pagannewswirecollective.com Lori Dake

    I haven't been there since I was six, but from the sounds of things, Salem's Witches are on par with Wisconsin Dells' Native Americans. Anyone who's ever been to the Dells knows what I'm talking about:

    - "Indian" stores on every block, which is mostly stocked with Christian-based plagues and painted rocks with googly eyes. (Ron and I make a game out of how many "Footprints" wall hangings we can find, on par with checking to make sure our hotel room has a Bible in the drawer.)

    - T-shirt and swimsuit stores on each block.

    - How many times the word "original" or "old" come up, as in "Original Dells" or "Old Wisconsin Dells", in an attempt to gain an edge over the competition.

    - The blatantly obvious price wars, especially with the t-shirts with the exact same logos. $9.99! $9.98! $9.95!

    - How confusing it is to walk into one shop but thinking you're in another, simply because the competition is so tough out there.

    - Since we go on Labor Day in order to take advantage of the off-season rates, we take a mental note of how many places close immediately afterward.

    I admit, I love that tourist trap for its tackiness and for the oldschool stuff that made it famous. However, we really scratch our heads as to why these businesses want to work in such a competitive, hostile environment. At the same time, I have noticed of all the things in that town, the one thing missing is a Pagan bookstore, though it probably only would survive if combined with a Hot Topic. So even there, there is indeed a niche to fill.

    Then again, I wonder if no bookstore exists, because there's some kind of bylaw which states any store which stocks non-Christian items must stock "Footprints" plaques, preferably made out of the cross-section of an old growth tree. :P

    • Bookhousegal

      I really wouldn't compare it to the Dells, that way, no: unless things have changed *that* much in maybe ten years. The Dells really *are* places that seem to be primarily tourist traps as far as what's built there is concerned. Remember this is through the eyes of a certain amount of old New England reserve, at least on the part of some of the participants. Not everyone gets it at first gloss, but some of what might be 'Well, this is pretty tacky' in other places might as well be dressing like Bozo at a royal wedding in some parts of New England. :)

      It's played with a lot, but regionally-speaking, New Englanders have kind of an amplified sense of what's going to be seen as undignified, I suppose we could say. (It's not New *England* for zero reason, particularly when it comes to those old towns, let's say. :) )

      I did some Google Earth street-snooping yesterday, and what it looks like is… Gentrified. There's dangers of losing all the character that way, too, of course.

  • http://military.pagannewswirecollective.com Lori Dake

    Like I said, it's from the sounds of things that Salem is going the tourist trap route with the overemphasis on Witches Living in Salem. It's people running around in hubcap-sized pentacles and/or those wearing black Ren Faire/ritual clothes on a Monday afternoon that add to my speculation. All that's missing is a waterpark with cauldron-shaped inner tubes. Heh, I did a Google streetview a while back and saw a guy dressed like he just walked off the LOTR set. (Wait… yep, found it! http://tinyurl.com/4rel8u8 )

    • Bookhousegal

      *looking at link* *gasp! * It's… Someone in what might be a beige peasant shirt and moccasins! What will the neighbors think! Purge! :)

      I agree that there's a lot of overdoing things, and, frankly, perhaps a number of Pagan tourists and others who treat it as an occasion for festival garb and overdone Goth, but if we're going to start being embarrassed by blurry photos of someone looking a bit *hippie,* we're too easily-embarrassed.

      (Especially in a town where people *do* wear costumes to work, often enough.)

      Frankly, 'Pagan fashions' have always been somewhat rennie-influenced: people taking things to the level of *costume* have been around, but if anything the hostile times have perhaps made us a bit too conformist out there. We all know when it's *excess,* but I often thought that having a few of those elements of the past, modernized, was very appropriate.

      I think in response to a more xenophobic and conformist climate, more of us have seen fit to just plain blend in, but I remember when it was pretty common for people to have some Rennie-like clothes they'd live in: bodice and jeans, people throwing a good cloak on when going outside: you don't have to be a total conformist not to make a cartoon of yourself or be 'playing dress-up.' That's one thing we'd do well to keep in mind.

      Especially in New England, the key point is, *don't overdo it.* Keep it real, all that. It's one thing I've found rather less charming about my travels… The conformity in a lot of parts of the nation: Sometimes punctuated by someone who walks in to some event seemingly *thinking* the point is to play dress-up. (Sometimes it seems some people who like to play dress up and *aren't* Pagan come to Pagan events just cause they feel like it's a setting where they *can.* Kind of like some come to the big festivals and do the same. For some, maybe that's a reason to like us, even if it looks funny.)

      I suppose there's no contriving these things, but people usually seem to clue in quick enough when the 'old hands' at this aren't dripping with aforementioned hub-cap sized pents or trying to Goth up the Renfaire,

      Part of the magic, really, is actually paying attention to the effects of how one presents herself, …frankly, to speak of what a Pagan population could do, it'd be like, well, what if we *could* have some style influence, be selling some clothes, not just T-shirts or 'costumes,' so to speak. People do go there to shop, after all.

      Maybe if people overdo it, it's actually *cause* they feel too inhibited in the rest of the country.Easy way to lose perspective, that.

      • http://military.pagannewswirecollective.com Lori Dake

        Quite frankly, it's that sort of thing that gives off an image to the rest of the world that Pagan folk are a bunch of weirdos (read: not neighbors, parents, attorneys, teachers, police officers, politicians, etc.). The guy walking down the street dressed up like an elf, when the Google car was obviously not driving around in October (no mobs of tourists), makes me roll my eyes in a "typical" sort of way. Now I want to see if there's some hippies begging for change at Haight and Asbury. It is just as cartoonish and would solidify the stereotype.

        Am I being a conformist by saying this? Perhaps judgmental even? Perhaps. But is it a good thing – to perpetuate a stereotype? No. And perhaps the *rest* of New England believes it's a faux pas to overdo it, but the more I see and hear from Salem, the more I'm getting the sense of a stereotypical tourist trap than a community that just happens to have a large percentage of Pagans living there. Like I said, I'm waiting for the waterpark to open.

        Does that mean *in October*, as a tourist, I would roll my eyes? Nope. That's just "how you do". But too, I think it's kind of silly for people to complain about the over-saturation of psychics and bookstores when that's the image they're putting out. A big part of business is to expect to be imitated when said business is successful. And that image, the other eleven months of the year, and for better or worse, is what the business people living there are going to have to deal with. Does that amount of competition cut into profits, especially in an expensive area? Of course it does. But that's just how it goes.

        It's no different than a Burger King opening across the street from McDonalds. Burger King has a few different things, so there's enough business for both of them. So Wendy's comes along, figuring they can swoop in on the burger sales. Okay, no problem. There's still enough business for all three. Then Panera Bread opens up, thinking they can sway over the health-conscious folks. Okay, no problem. Then comes Subway. Then Chipotle. Then Taco Bell. Then Dairy Queen. Then…

        What happened to that area? Well, yes, there's plenty of choices for food, and perhaps due to those choices, more people moved into the area. More people move in, and the housing construction booms, with their Lego Condos and McMansions. Oh, and hotels. And amusement attractions. And parking lots. But it's no longer an oldschool neighborhood with just a McDonald's and a bit of charm and history. The local bar and grill probably closed to make way for a TGI Fridays, but it may stick around for the nostalgic folks looking for a special burger. But that's it.

        Does that make the gentrified area bad? Yes and no, because it depends on the heart of the residents who grew up there. The Dells is a tourist trap that started out as a scenic blessing, and to me, Salem is looking to be about the same. Doesn't mean I don't like it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

        • Bookhousegal

          Well, much of what you're talking about there, regarding the Dells and those fast-food chains and all is one of *sprawl,* not one of Pagans being afraid if someone looks like a hippie. There are certainly differences when we're talking about an established city trying to adjust to a new economy as well as incorporating a tourist industry. …These sorts of issues, particularly of commercialization, development, sprawl, etc, exist in a lot of different contexts, even just in terms off having a living town center, all gimmicks aside.

          As for those gimmicks, yeah, it would be good if prominent Pagans in the area would keep that showmanship in context, and, definitely I see a need for the Pagan community to show a little depth. I don't however think *we* should start putting ourselves in the position where *anyone* 'dressed like an Elf' becomes some point where people go, 'Aha, there's someone we can pick on Pagans about.'

          Cause you can't control that, anyway. One thing about having some local culture is that it doesn't come about by someone being the wardrobe police. It has to be a little more organic than that: and it seems to me you're practically implying that people who might casually *wear* a peasant shirt *aren't* 'normal' or responsible people, or are 'hippies begging for change' or all manner of *other* stereotypes. What are we gonna do, confine ourselves to the usual blandness or else helplessy loathe ourselves or something? That doesn't sound very proactive to *me.*

          Showing some taste and practicality about it, …that's the sort of thing that catches on. I don't see much use in simply placing ourselves (And public image) at the *mercy* of commercialism, and freaking out if someone's a hippie or something. Yeah. There are Pagan hippies, too. If the 'respectable-looking' ones are going so far out of their way to *hide* or flee from anything not looking conformist enough, then no wonder the costumery gets all the attention.

          What I'm speaking for here is actually some moderation, both on the economic issues and the superficialities. People (Especially those not particularly blessed with a sense of sartorial restraint) won't buy a clue if all we do is scorn them and turn it into yet another intractable battle of absolutes.

          It's dangerous times to be out as Pagan in a lot of ways, …honestly, when you're a poorer person in a subculture, you might have less to 'lose' than someone conventionally-employed and 'respectable' but we shouldn't internalize so much of it. Certainly, when representing the community, or where fantasy-looking costumes aren't representing well, people should have some restraint in mind, but fun is fun. And I miss seeing my community, maybe just a little more colorful, *and* part of the world.

          Keeping it real and all. :)

          • mathiasamatheon

            Lori wrote: "Am I being a conformist by saying this? Perhaps judgmental even? Perhaps. But is it a good thing – to perpetuate a stereotype? No. "

            This assimilation argument rears its head with each gay pride day as well. The "bunch of weirdos" referred to above, can be said for the LGBT community of leathermen, drag queens, and the dikes on bikes that the media loves to focus in on for the news. Yet those "weidos" were the ones who fought hard for our freedom, and paved the way for everyone in the LGBT movement. They gave us all (Queer or Straight) many of the liberties we take for granted today. They put themselves out there in a very real, and dangerous, way. In the long run, we've all been beneficiaries of their legacy.

            I say bring back the eccentricity, color, and creativity. I'd much rather have see a creative, intelligent, informed, and dedicated pagan in crazy-ass garb bringing attention to our traditions than someone who is overly concerned about what the mainstream might think. Heck, I think that Professor Carlos Gonzales would have been much better served by wearing traditional Yaqui dress for his blessing rather than trying to merge mainstream clothing and act as a kind of "Apologist" for the people. He made less of his tradition by trying to be accommodating to the public, rather than offer up the fullness of who he is, and the beauty of his culture. If you are going to suffer criticism at all, why not be authentic and true to one's self, and to your faith?

            Personally, I think that we've lost a lot of our color and our creative fire has been dampened by trying to be so concern with mainstream cultural values. I understand the fact that there will always be a conservative presence within Paganism, but the simple truth is that we aren't like everyone else. Our faiths are unique, colorful, and diverse.

            I'm personally very content to leave mainstream to monotheists. I never made the attempt to be mainstream when I lived in small towns, and I certainly don't make the effort to do so now that I've called Chicago my home for the past 16 years. Silence=death, and the unseen vanish.

          • Bookhousegal

            Well, I do think that that's a pretty good analogy: ….but just as in the LGBT community, I really don't think it has to be all or nothing: there *is* the fact of course, that out of a Pride parade of tens of thousands of people who may be…Well, pretty ordinary-looking folks, the cameras are going to single out the most outlandish (and often 'worst'-looking ) figures among them.

            That sort of thing of course tends to give a disproportionate sense of how 'freakish' a given population may be, we know this well: sometimes more straight-laced types will poke their heads out of the assimilation and say, 'Aaaa! You've ruined it all! Freaks! No one be freaky!'

            There's also a lot of people who take an occasion like a Pride parade to *be* freaky when they normally simply *aren't.* Often coming off doubly-freakish in the process. (The analogy there might be those who turn up to Pagan events in that sort of Rennie-Goth overkill or whatever)

            Personally, I think one of the best ways to dispel a stereotype is to *stand next to one.*

            The fact is that we *aren't* 'A bunch of freaks,' …the less-freaky just …are less-visible. We shouldn't assume any, or most of us *have* a gigantic 'freak flag' to fly, and that there really is some choice between 24/7 carnival and total assimilation. There's a difference between restraint and expressing onesself in perhaps other than 'Screw you, society' sorts of ways, and being *too inhibited to dare be distinctive in *any* way. *

            In terms of public image, maybe it'd be good to honor the notion we don't *depend* on 'screaming for attention' sorts of things is something that isn't from everyone being the same, not by being freaky, not by being assimilated, and not even by everyone following some contrived model of somewhere in between. :) Sure, maybe respect others enough to not show up to every pubic event in full-out *costume,* (….maybe add a little festive garb, but if you're not wearing *anything* that you wear in your daily life, just maybe you're *putting on a costume,* more than expressing yourself. )

            By the same token, maybe a peasant blouse with your street clothes or a dude in a Utilikilt isn't something to be afraid of, either.

            Personally, I think that professor presented himself just right. Layering on some 'medicine man' looking clothes wouldn't make him more of a medicine man, (he isn't even one, nor claiming to be,) nor do medicine men dress out of new Age catalogs, either. Sometimes a little bit will do ya, that way.

            It's not like if you go to a Pagan conference, that it's the guy dressed up like a fantasy Archdruid with a six foot tropical wood staff covered in fur and feathers is the guy who knows what he's talking about. :) (I mean, hey, *my* staff's an antique ash street-broom handle, doesn't go to festivals, but it looks like it's been around the block a few times cause it *has.* (Ya see this? *This* is my BroOmstick!) :)

            There's creativity, and beauty, and then there's playing at it. Particularly in terms of shamanic attire, it's supposed to be *between* the Worlds, not 'totally-apart from this one.'

            Turning around and saying that someone *not* in big time costume *isn't* 'expressing the fullness of who he is,' well, that's something we see some of in the LGBT community, too. You see the attitude, "We're *all* outlandish drag queens and leatherdykes, and you're just afraid to show it," …and that's not expressing who everyone is, not at all.

            Some gay people are professors, too, and so are some Pagans and so are some Native Americans. We can be a lot of things. It's OK to look professorial or businesslike or carpenterish or baker-like or punk-rock -bassistish if that's who you are/what you're doing. There's a lot of range between 'in your face' and 'out of sight, out of mind,'

            I mean, I'm not exactly a poster child for conformity, myself, but neither do I accept any *obligation* to be outlandish. I think most Pagans I know just look a little out of step, …we do seem to see the world differently, but rarely could one put their finger on any one thing. I chalk it up to dangerous times, as well as popular fashions having been through a protracted period of 'Pretty boring.' Looking around, I see some signs of life, though. Why, even 'Elf boots' seem to be making a comeback out there. :)

          • Baruch Dreamstalker

            One may be other than a freak and still want/need to get one's freak on from time to time. Question is: Is the Pride Day parade the time to do it? What is one proud of, that one wants to show the public (and potentially, between media and phone cams, the world)?

          • Bookhousegal

            Valid question, Baruch: what may be the very nub of some of these concerns, in fact. May take more than a simple answer. :) I think the fact that there *is* a Salem doesn't mean there has to be a single model any more than the fact that there is a New Orleans means that the African diaspora trads must either scorn it or imitate it universally. :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Witches, warlocks, sorcerers and the like have always been sensationalist, going all the way back to the shamans and medicine people with their often elaborate costumes, headdresses, and such. I detest the idea of mainstreaming Witchcraft and it is something I will always consciously work against. We are not like everyone else. We do things (well the real ones among us do) that they cannot and will not do. We are often the last resort for a culture that fears magic but needs it to help them move beyond their obstacles.

          • Bookhousegal

            The overlap between 'Witchcraft' and 'Paganism' is one thing that seems to be lost whoever does the 'sensationalizing.'

            Of course, *being sensational* and 'Sensationalizing yourself' are two different things; the latter of which may be confused with the former.

            Fact is that while some traditional shamans' garb may seem pretty outlandish *now,* ….it doesn't mean it comes from a time when it was all *that* outlandish, *then.*

            Even the archetypal 'pointy hat' that's such an artistic trope was in its time quite a common accoutrement …for nobles. For like a hedge-witch to wear one (as much as that really is a thing) was like when you see some Voudouisants wearing the top hat of someone in a higher station: it's not *removed* from the world, it's *putting a new spin on it.* Often, even, 'stealing a little power.'

            'Working against mainstreaming' by saying 'Warlock' a lot while claiming to be Pagan clergy may indeed have its place, but it doesn't mean you actually *have* that kind of power over other, you know. In a lot of ways, what I'm talking about is actually *not trying to define and/or disown each other so much.* (Of course, you can argue about derivations all night, but last time *I* was around the old neighborhood, getting 'warlocked' was not a good thing. Driving over the sensibilities of the local *Witches* really isn't something that endears the latest 'Official Witch of Salem' to the actual community you seem to find so 'mainstreamed.' )

            And, there are a lot more Pagans and 'Witches' outside Salem, than in, after all.

            'Sensational' doesn't have to mean 'Totally-removed,' not necessarily, anyway. Sometimes trappings may need to be a bit 'otherworldly,' ….that doesn't mean we all are or must be defined by popular prejudice or someone's idea of 'iconoclasm….'

            As a bit of a fringe-walker, myself, I can say that the real trick of it isn't 'getting out there,' …it's what you bring *back.*

            Mature people can be fun about it, too. I think where a lot of the 'Prominent Salem Witches' get in trouble with the esteem of the rest of the Pagan world is pronouncing the hype as authority about a million people.

            Very few of us are 'professional Witches,' (At least not in terms of getting paid that much, heh) not in the sense that we make that much money off the 'sensation' of it, anyway. We *aren't* all in the spirit-trade, and not all of us *in* that trade believe public spectacle (especially selling stereotypical stuff) is the 'true and only authority.'

            Cause, frankly, sir, you *ain't* the 'last resort.' I am. I've been one of the ones that don't get paid. :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            We can safely assume that the shamans did look different then because they stand out even amongst their own people.

            I owe no more to the Pagan community than I do to the Wiccan one. I owe allegiance to myself, to the gods and spirits that I work with, and to the people I care for. That's it. The "you owe us" mentality is why the Pagans never seem to get what they think is owed. It's their pretentious attitudes.

            As for "totally removed," this is another common pagan misconception that I have all-but shattered despite their inability to recognize that fact.. Next to Laurie Cabot, I am sometimes the most outlandishly dressed Witch in this city. And, I am also the most accepted. Nobody else in the Witch community has a position on the board of directors of our city's official tourism office. I am one of a precious few in our Witch community that consistently gets invited to political fundraiser. I am consistently asked by business leaders that are not Witches for my opinions on tourism, marketing, and, of course, my faith. I also have many friends in the Christian community, both liberal and Evangelical conservative.

            Frankly, the only real negativity I get is from within the Pagan community. The non-Pagans have always been wonderful to me. Many Pagans blame me for the fact that they aren't liked by non-Witches, when, in fact, I'm well-liked and they're not. Go figure.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I'm posting separately about the word "Warlock." In more scholarly neighborhoods, I've discovered some rather interesting data. In more traditional British Witchcraft neighborhoods, you know, those Gardnerians that started the whole modern Wicca thing, the word actually appears in the positive in their book of shadows, as a binding of the initiate. I don't know what neighborhoods you're in, but hopefully it's nowhere that JetBlue flies because they're the only folks whose planes my legs can fit in.

            This is a post I made to "irate" Pagans posting on the Salem News message boards. I see no reason to rewrite it.

            To speak to the idea that a "warlock is one who has betrayed a coven," there is simply no primary source material for this in either Witchcraft or Wicca. For much of its history, the word was associated with male Witches and was considered as pejorative as "Witch" was. Oddly, though, noted Wiccan Starhawk says that even with all its negative connotations, women should see the word Witch as a way of reclaiming women's power and that men should see it as a way of finding the divine feminine within. I do have to wonder why this interesting rule of hers does not also apply to the divine masculine, but that is probably a debate for another day.

            The people writing in the days when the word Warlock meant "oathbreaker" were largely associated with the church. The oaths they were considered to be breaking were to the church. If you consider the fact that the Malleus Malificarum, or "Witches Hammer," the guidebook used by Witch hunters to try and execute those innocents, considered women to be lesser than men, this all makes sense in context. According to the Malleus, women were expected to be more prone to the supposed sin of Witchcraft, so, while they were punished, people were less surprised. For a man to do this, considered by Biblical wisdom to be the head of the household, it was thought to be a far more grievous sin. Hence, they would be far more vilified. In this regard, I willingly consider myself in contrast to the Church's will in this matter because I have most definitely renounced their falsehoods.

            Paul Huson, in his infamous book, Mastering Witchcraft: A Practical Guide for Witches, Warlocks and Covens–which is probably the best book on the subject ever put out there, uses the word Warlock throughout and has people say the Our Father backwards. If that's not breaking the oaths of the Church, I don't now what is. Oh, and I have this book at HEX. ;-D

            The word Wicca (originally pronounced "Witcha") was an anglo-saxon word, not Celtic (Scottish being Celtic), a Germanic rather than a Gaelic language group, perhaps suggesting more Germanic roots for European Witchcraft than Celtic (Sorry, Enya! LOL). Another Germanic group, the Norse, had a term for the "spirit song" used to ward off or bind harmful spirits known as the "Vardlokkur". While Oxford won't accept it due to few references, it certainly jives more with what we have in early literary history about Witches being necromancers, such as Circe, the Woman of Endor, Medea, Erictho, Canidia, and countless others. Recently translated Hungarian Witch trial records show that the relationship between Witches and the spirits of the dead continued even into far later periods.

            To me, the Warlock is neither a Satanist nor an oathbreaker, but rather a brand of sorcerer who protects his people from harm. While the word is certainly shrouded in mystery, it is no moreso than the word Witch. It's a shame that Starhawk's argument, referenced above, applies only to women. Seems like a bit of reverse-discrimination to me. But for adherents of so obviously a recent path as "Wicca" (with the 'k' sound, versus 'tch') to be so concerned with what is ancient amuses me greatly, especially when the Gardnerian Book of Shadows, the book that essentially kicked off the entire modern revival, uses the term "Warlock" to refer to a binding ritual. Now, I've made no Gardnerian oaths so I'm not "Warlocking" that (*snickersnort*). This material has been published for decades by Lady Sheba, Aiden Kelly, Janet and Steward Farrar, and more. So if the founding pillars of modern Wicca do not use this word in the pejorative, why do the post-1970's generations have such a problem with it? They don't know the modern history of their faith anymore than they do the ancient.

            There's one reason I like this word more than any other though. It's downright sexy. :-D

            Best Witches!

            Christian Day
            (who is never going away and will never spell magic with a 'j' – tee hee)

            p.s. here are some various links I like on the subject:
            http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/witch/warlock.txt
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A4123946
            http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/contemporaryissue…
            http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usca&…

          • Baruch Dreamstalker

            "Oddly, though, noted Wiccan Starhawk says that even with all its negative connotations, women should see the word Witch as a way of reclaiming women's power and that men should see it as a way of finding the divine feminine within. I do have to wonder why this interesting rule of hers does not also apply to the divine masculine, but that is probably a debate for another day."

            The two are not parallel because the divine masculine has been shoved down throats, male an female alike, for millennia. Folks need to cough it up and live in its absence for a time — forever for some, a year or two for me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Well, sorry bub, as long as I'm around, "things gon' be changin' 'round here," to quote Oprah in The Color Purple. I partly chose the title in response to something truly disgusting that Z. Budapest said to me, that "everytime a man has sex with a woman, it's rape." Yep, I'm a warlock now baby. Read it (in the Wall Street Journa, mind you) and weep.

          • Bookhousegal

            Actually, Christian, that's just the point. You may post all that you like and 'tee hee' all you like, (Or insist that spelling magic with a j or a 'special K' has a damn thing to *do* with it, ) and as I mentioned initially, *who cares* what definitions of 'warlock' you drive in, you sure aren't representing community *there,* right?

            You wonder why this crap is seen as an embarrassment, and all you do is say 'Whoever I am, I'm right!'

            No. That's not how it works, you know?

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I don't spell magic with either a j or a k, unless it's a typo or it's something I wrote so long ago that I didn't know any better.

            How are you any different? You automatically assume that your position is correct.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Also, I'm confused. Are you suggesting that community consensus should define words and not scholarship? I'm ok if that's what you're suggesting. I just don't agree with it.

          • Bookhousegal

            Actually, the only reason I referred to it *there* is because of the fact that, derivations or not, it *does* make a lot of people facepalm. Making a case for what you see as a more accurate definition is rather different from getting up on a public platform and proclaiming it to be so.

            No, the word's not in common usage, traditionally it's not a good word in the community when it is. In fact, some of the very history of the term you mentioned is probably exactly how it percolated through Wiccan-related culture as it has. What you think is more 'accurate' from your point of view doesn't mean that people will suddenly feel differently about it just cause you say so.

            The point is really about how you're *treating* other points of view or even customs, and *that* seems like something that could use some work.

            You do in fact have one of the bigger microphones and platforms out there, Of *course* some people are going to have different views and impressions of what you're doing, (I think you'll find I've actually largely been on your side in most of the discussions here, it's just that turning everything into some kind of war of absolutes does more to alienate than educate anyone: or necessarily resolve conflicts with the town, or pull in much community support in these matters. ) In terms of the community's public image, yes, most *of* the Pagan community are more 'mainstream,' with some pretty mainstream civil rights issues, as I'm sure you're aware. …also, in the rest of the world, most of the sensationalism out there is *really* coming from those who profit off the fear and hatred of us *as* mainstream people. (And *their* idea of a sensational witch-hunt isn't something I much look forward to seeing.) These are troubled economic times, and while we have on the one hand the Church promoting 'exorcisms' and obliquely blaming things in large measure on 'alternative religion,' and a lot of the Religious Right having been pretty unabashedly stoking up the 'spiritual/religious war' rhetoric, I think the wider Pagan community has some reason to be concerned what any given media circus out of Salem's public figures might bring.

            I don't think the real answer to that is 'Everybody hide,' but I do think that at least a bit of sensitivity *to* how others feel about what how Salem reflects on the rest of the community would be a lot better than all this attacking of people for even *having* other viewpoints or priorities (Or even in some cases pointing out that they exist.)

            I think that definitions and scholarship are all very well and good: actually I think they're rather important. Particularly when it comes to history. But there's also a present-day context and present-day people, and what really amounts to present-day folklore. And folklore isn't always 'accurate to earliest sources.'

            The way this whole thread has looked to me is, it seems you go on the attack if anyone isn't in full agreement on some absolutes of some kind, and then perhaps wonder why things end up a lot more contentious than they have to be. …And people feel pretty disrespected. Certainly, I've felt pretty randomly-attacked over …suggesting moderation?

            Frankly, all I've been saying is that perhaps an attitude of stressing the potentials and possibilities, (And actually doing things to show where some fears are unfounded, rather than going on the attack about 'nanny states' and protectionism) might be more productive.

            I'm sure the Pagan community in Salem has a great deal to offer. Certainly the 'spooky tourism' is one thing that's pretty unique. Perhaps, too, there's more.

            Anyhow.

            I

          • Bookhousegal

            (continued)

            Certainly the way you've talked at *me,* well, that's made *me* more than a bit angry. That'll pass. What remains is something about a town, something about the times, and a diverse religious and cultural movement that that town would seem to have attracted a whole lot of.

            The very-public 'witch-wars' Salem's long had a reputation for, haven't exactly cast the place in a good light among many out here, and it's clear the town's politics have a lot of pretty entrenched elements which aren't particularly disposed to be friendly.

            As far as that goes, I've suggested being sensitive to their fears and showing what really might be expected to happen, and how that can fit into a strategy for the town. (Rather than stressing the rhetoric in ways that might seem to actually be *against* the ability to strategize: from the sound of things you're not actually so at odds with the town's interests to begin with, so why play it that way?)

            For the Pagan community's part, I'm not one of those saying 'Don't do sensationalist,' (or *fun* or even 'dark,' necessarily,) …just that I also see a real potential opportunity there to actually show some more depth: there aren't a lot of concentrations of Pagan folks like the article above cites around, and while a flagging economy isn't a lot of fun for anyone, it's also something that can possibly leave room to try some different things.

            More than fortunetelling, anyway.

            Regarding that, it might help not to just piss a lot of people off: it doesn't seem like that's really what's going on in that town as far as I can tell, but for whatever reason attacking everyone else as some kind of threat to your business just doesn't seem very cool to me.

            Ten percent of the town seems to me to represent more than a few trads or businesses: that kind of number is like a whole minority *population.* Not one that can really be controlled, but one with a *ton* of possibilities. Even to actually be something that enriches the lives of the people there, not just tourist dollars. (Also, in the way of some towns, to generate irrational fears of everyone else getting pushed out, maybe even 'the witches taking our jobs.' Where else might you hear *that?* That's something any minority community might face, but also a chance to shine. )

            I have had the impression you have been working a *lot* for just that community, and doing a lot of very real and very good things. My concern about all this is that if other points of view aren't respected, within and without the community, ..if you're on the attack all the time, then the danger is of it being just another circus, and I do think we can all do better than *that.*

            That said, from what I've been able to see, the town doesn't *actually* look at all so theme-parkey to me. Perhaps people are actually afraid it'll become so. I don't see any reason for big drama about that, Or limiting licenses, come down to it. One thing that's not clear is just how many they're talking about.

            Personally, I think if in the near future, it turns out a town like that can support unlimited numbers of fortunetellers, then compared to present uncertainties in America: economic, political, religious, and environmental, I think we could all be thankful if we find that anywhere up there on our list of biggest worries.

            I think *my* worries are more along the lines of the community being able to come together, with each other, and perhaps even more importantly, with our neighbors. On a lot of levels, the polarized rhetoric out there has long been something that has prevented solutions to many problems from even being discussed. I don't like to see it coming from our own community, especially directed *at* others in the community, not when it seems all we can be really sure of is that the tension and uncertainty out there is pretty palpable.

            A lot of economic assumptions people have been taking for granted, both in positive and negative senses, don't look like they can be counted on, not too much longer, anyway. Too much is stacked on too much ese,Our diversity is a strength, ….we also make altogether too-tempting of scapegoats, so, yeah, community relations seem important. Particularly if we can be part of local solutions.

            Anyway, a blessed Imbolc. :) I do think this is one I'm wanting to be really spending some with about the return of the light. There's been a lot to consider disheartening just lately, But hopefully, a lot that we can do that's positive.

          • Bookhousegal

            Also, btw, …If you have to *say* it's 'sexy,' …It ain't. :)

          • Robert Mathiesen

            Without wanting to get into the main controversy here, I would like to say that Christian's view of the *mundane* history of the word "warlock" is well supported, and the reference to spirit-summoning songs as "warlock" songs in the Saga of Eric the Red is definitely relevant. As for its use by modern Witches, that is up to them to say.

            As for the Gardnerian usage, at last one text that has been published distinguishes between "to warlock" and "to warrick" a person in the process of binding the person's body for magical purposes. Gardner also mentions "hanch" and "galch" as two similar obscure technical terms, along with "dwale." You can find "hanch" and "galch" in the big dictionaries of archaic English words, and they , too, refer to techniques of binding and suspending a human body — possibly for magical purposes also. One context for all this magical binding and suspending is supplied by William Seabrook, most fully in his book _Witchcraft, its Power in the World Today_ (1940 in the USA, 1941 in the UK), where it is a means of "getting the sight."

            Whether present-day Gardnerians still know and use these magical techniques is undoubtedly an oath-bound matter, but a non-initiate such as myself may perhaps indulge in a little historical speculation about Gardner and those who initiated him, without making any claims at all about current Gardnerian practice.

          • Bookhousegal

            Well, it's kind of the point there, Robert: that he thinks everyone 'owes' him something, regardless of what he says about him not 'owing' anybody anything. Listen to his words, there.

            This is all in context of wanting support for a 'freedom of religion' argument for, what, unfettered commercialism he uses to claim justifies some kind of authority, while not even *deigning* to consider the feelings and customs of people he blew into town from Gods-know-where to claim to represent?

            Acting like no one knows the derivation of 'Wicce' never mind ever *says* it? What's that about?

            Seriously. What does rattling that stuff of have to do with *anything* about the Old Religion in *any* form?

            Anyone can say that, and apparently they often do. But you can get that out of trade paperbacks.

            The *real* 'bottom line' about being Pagan in the modern world, never mind town politics, really just isn't about this kind of noise, or 'justifying' whatever extremism and saying 'Hel with you, everyone but me! I'm making *money!*'

            Nor is it about acting like dressing up a lot or making a few bucks is what makes you a particularly competent Witch. If it *did,* one should see there's a lot more nuance than *that* to it.

            More than that. In the world as is, any eedjit can judge and/or break things. Any faker can market something.

            If any of what *any* of these words and heritages mean count for *bunkum* in this world, it's about doing *better* than some fricking outlet mall has done. For the land, the people, the world.

            A couple bucks and 'Screw you, town?' 'Screw you, world?'

            You don't need *magic* for that, not even if you spell it with four M's and a silent Q.

            Nothing we do counts for diddly if that's all it is. May as well go kneel in the nice white picturesque church up there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            On the contrary, I don't think anyone owes me anything, but you have totally come across here like I owe something to your "community." And now you're turning it around, in classic fashion. I don't tell anyone else what to call themselves, which you're telling me. I'm simply choosing what to call myself. I can't even talk to you because you can't even see the positions you're taking so I'm sorta done wasting my time with you. Carry on! :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            And one last thing, I was BORN one town north of Salem, in Beverly. I didn't breeze in from anywhere. You're just disgusting.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Robert: GREAT comment. I can actually talk to you because what you're isn't oozing with this anti-male, anti-uniqueness agenda. LOVE a good scholar and you definitely are one.

            Since the word Wicca is Anglo-Saxon in origin (and not, not, not Celtic), it makes wonder that the word Warlock may have Germanic origins also. When you consider that it appears some versions of the BOS as a binding, and since the not-yet-accepted Vardlokkur refers to a binding of evil spirits, I can't help but think about a potential connection there.

            But maybe I shouldn't look, because research into the history and etymology of words don't matter, do they? All that matters is consensus, truth be damned, right? LOL

            Thanks for weighing in. :)

            Christian

          • Robert Mathiesen

            Just a small footnote, Christian.

            As near as I remember the passage in Eric the Red's Saga, the "warlock" songs do not bind evil spirits, but entice and woo indifferent spirits to come to the seeress (volva) and reveal the future to her so she can answer her hosts' questions.

            Though it is not said expressly in the Saga, these indifferent spirits might also have the power to shape human futures (if they want to bother doing so), since they forecast an exceptionally brilliant future for the young woman who (being a Christian) only with great reluctance sang the necessary "warlock" songs for the volva, and did so exceptionally well.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Hmmm. Are you sure? I have to check but I did see references to it that implied that the singer bound evil spirits, but not having actually read the saga itself, I probably should. I've just seen references.

            Even better if the Warlock is a pure necromancer, since I believe Witchcraft to be steeped in necromancy anyway, but I definitely want to dig deeper. At some point, a Witch author and I talked about researching a paper on the subject and releasing it, but I want to wait until I really have some good research down.

            If you have any links, I would be most, most appreciative. Are you the professor at Brown? That's what I got when I looked you up. It said Slavic languages. Have you looked at Eva Pocs' book at all? Between the Living and the Dead? If so, what's your opinion on that? I liked her stuff but as her stuff is translated from the Hungarian, I wonder if she has respect in her field over there.

          • Robert Mathiesen

            An English translation of Erik the Red's Saga is on line at

            sagadb.org/eiriks_saga_rauda.en

            Take a look at chapter 4 of the Saga. The translator calls the songs in question "weird-songs," but the description of their use and effect comes through well in the translation, I think. The Old Norse is just "kvæði, er hon kallaði Varðlokur" = "songs that she [Haldis, Gudrid's foster mother] called Varðlokur."

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Thank you so much, Robert. That's very kind of you to look that up! I'll be bookmarking and as soon as I'm done in book deadline hell, I'm going to start researching for a paper on the word Warlock. :-D

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            p.s. Do you know if that the only saga where the Varðlokur occurs? I'm definitely going to enjoy this research. Thanks again!

          • Robert Mathiesen

            I finally had time to check on the word in Vigfusson & Cleasby's Icelandic Dictionary. It seems that Varðlokur (a plural form) occurs only in Eric the Red's Saga, and only in chapter 4. This dictionary translates the word as " 'ward-songs,' 'guardian songs,' 'charms' (or better, 'weird-songs' …). "From this word comes the Scot. 'warlock,' though it has changed it sense to that of the wizard himself."

            The dictionary also gives a variant form Urðar lokkur, "songs (or charms) of Weird" (= Wyrd), once in Groa's Spell (in the Poetic Edda, but not in the oldest manuscripts, and therefore left out of most translations). They serve to guard a hero on a dangerous quest.

            And that seems to be all. No other Old Icelandic or Old Norse texts seem to preserve the word.

            Hope this helps!

          • Robert Mathiesen

            PS You can find Groa's Spell on line at

            notendur.hi.is/eybjorn/ugm/svipdag2.html

            In this poem, Groa (a volva) is dead, and her son raises her from the dead for help; among other helps, she offers these "charms of Wyrd."

            Lok(k)ur, a plural, can mean either "locks, "bonds," etc; or it can mean "charms," to judge by Vigfusson & Cleasby. The former meaning takes us back to the verbs "to warlock" and "to warrick" in the Gardnerian texts I mentioned — which I had not realized until now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I went back to find the link to the saga (which I got) and then saw these posts. Very many thanks. I found Vigfusson and Cleasby on Google Books and that's very insightful since the correlation between the vardlokkur and warlock was drawn as early as 1874. :-D

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            p.p.s. I went and read it. That's FANTASTIC! I HAVE to put that in my book somewhere since this directly ties necromancy to a word (warlock) that has long been associated with Witchcraft. I'm probably going to get a few questia.com or books.google.com versions for non-web citation but THIS … my deadline of 2/15 thanks you. I thank you. My publisher thanks you. :-D

          • Robert Mathiesen

            I haven't read Eva Pocs yet, but generally she is respected as a scholar. I too will have to read her in translation, as I don't read Hungarian. ( it isn't a Slavic language, or even an Indo-European one.)

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            LOL. Well, like I said, I'm no scholar. I love the book though. It touched on so many of the subjects I'm writing about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            p.s. thank you! :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            p.s. yeah, found a lot of links on google just now about the Vardlokkur being a warding off of evil spirits or binding them BUT none of them that I can see are credible and/or primary sources. I definitely have to dig wherever you're digging. :-D

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            NOW I know who you are. Well, besides if you're a professor at Brown. I still wanna know that. :-D But, other than that. I carry your book in our shop thanks to my incredible new manager, Time, who is downline from Lady Gwen. I have a picture of her in my home with Leo Martello, who is holding his ritual sword that Lori Bruno gave to me. I had no idea who she was in the picture until Tim told me, so it was a cool connection.

          • Robert Mathiesen

            Sorry to be so slow to reply; I was off-line most of today, as my old hard drive broke down yesterday and I was getting a new computer up and running. (Fortunately, I had everything backed up except one 6-page document that I can easily retype from the printout.)

            Yes, that's me. I think I've been in your shop a time or two, and I think I met you once, though I was too absent-minded to introduce myself at the time. I never met Gwen, but Theitic is a good friend of mine.

            I used to teach a course on the history of magic at Brown, and another on women-led magical religions in the USA from the late 1700s up to the present. I retired in 2005, and that was the end of my courses there, too — much to the relief of the nervous nellies in the University's administration.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            I rather enjoy being the bane of nervous nellies! Congrats on your retirement though. I'm starting to long for mine lately. Be sure to introduce yourself next time! I'm by no means a great scholar but I definitely appreciate meeting one!

          • Robert Mathiesen

            Me too!

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            :-D

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            And, finally, I don't care about "the esteem of the rest of the Pagan world." I care about truth, scholarship, humanity, friendship, and magic, among other things, not fitting in with people, especially when they don't care about those things I just listed. There are many individual Pagans who do, and those are the ones I respect, but I don't owe these people anything. Frankly, I wish such Pagans realized that when they act like Salem Witches owe them something, we just put on higher heels and taller hats. I don't know who taught you that presumptuousness is a guaranteed win, but hunnie, it ain't. Frankly, half of my wardrobe changes were the result of someone telling me I owed it to them not to dress that way. I just dress that way more and hope people like you will learn to be more respectful about tell ing others what they should and shouldn't do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Here's the bottom line. Collectively, The Salem Witches probably get more publicity any Pagans in the world, and if you want to influence how I portray myself, demanding it or insisting I owe it to someone is not the way to go. It merely makes us distance ourselves from you as much as you do from us, but then, the publicity's here, not there. Because Salem is more branded with the word Witch than anyplace else on earth, we're going to get publicity. Since we hold all the cards and our detractors hold none, If they want to influence that publicity, then they simply must respectful about it rather than condemning. Otherwise, they obviously don't really want to influence us. They just wanna bitch. And that's ok. That can be fun, but it obviously hasn't worked in the 40 years that Salem's Witch community has been here and I don't it will start now, judging by your tone.

          • Bookhousegal

            Frankly, dude, if you think the Pagan world depends on a point hat and some North Shore real estate, best you remember *why* that's the 'Witch City,' and *why* the tourists come.

            Sure ain't your notion of being 'against the rest of the Pagan world' in the name of 'free market commercialism,' I assure you.

            Yes, I have ancestors there. If you think your money defines Paganism, though, spud, I can do like they did.

            Put Salem right back in my rear-view.

            Now.

            What would you like to do now?
            Bottom line.

            Tell me you're a priest?

            Heh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

            Why do I just know you are … oh I can't even say it. I'll say it on my radio show when I can get away with being a bitch. Be sure to listen! :-D
            http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hexeducation

          • Bookhousegal

            Well Christian, let no one say you didn't speak your piece. Just nobody act surprised, is all.

            There it is.

    • Kelly Dugery

      "(Wait… yep, found it! http://tinyurl.com/4rel8u8 ) "

      Although it's hard to be certain in from the photo, to be honest that looks like one of the tour guides at the Pirate Museum on his way to work. He's heading in the right direction… :) If it's who I think it is, he works there in the summer and goes to Salem State during the school year.

      Then again, I could be wrong and it's one of our local… characters out for a stroll.

  • Robert Mathiesen

    That should have been "at least one text."

  • Bookhousegal

    Had a thought, by the way, just while we're talking about high-quality competitive fortunetelling….

    Seems like a fair question, but as for the town of Salem in coming times, …Via the scrying instrument of your choice… take a look. What do you *see?*

  • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

    Cool! They gave me a guest editorial spot in today's Salem News about the licensing issue. :-D
    http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x1440847755/My-V…

  • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

    Well, that is if you disagree with Oxford that this etymology has merit. :-D

    • http://www.facebook.com/christianday Christian Day

      ug. or rather, does not have merit.