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With Friends Like These…

Well look at these…

Albert Mohler thinks Christians don’t get cancer.

Rick Warren thinks Hitch was too dense to figure things out in his life and doesn’t mind co-opting his death for positions Hitch never held.

Even in death Hitch wins arguments.  Today’s losers are the ones insisting that faith makes you a better person.

Destroy them with your comments and tweets.

  • Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle

    They are ghouls. Sick, twisted, craven, sociopathic ghouls.

    • papango

      Assholes for Christ.

  • Shirley Portegys

    @albertmohler–Right, because Christians don’t die of esophogeal cancer or any other form of excrutiating illness. That’ll surely teach Hitch a posthumous lesson, won’t it?

    I don’t use Twitter, so if anyone wants to post this, feel free. You can also call him an array of expletives if you wish.

  • hoverfrog

    This is the third time I’ve left this comment to news of another Christian doing something shitty while using Hitch’s name. They don’t do their position any favours (which I think is a good thing):

    Christians have so much potential to do good if only they could get their heads out of their own arses long enough to take a good look at the way that they act.

    That may be something of a sweeping statement to make as not all Christians are like this but Christians asshattery just seems so ubiquitous that it’s just so difficult to even notice the ones who aren’t so bad.

  • Anteprepro

    Already saw Warren’s, but Mohler’s is even more stupid and offensive. Which is par for the course, really.

  • http://mamamara.wordpress.com Mara

    ARGL. It’s almost worth joining Twitter simply so I can write scathing replies to idiocy like this.

    I don’t know why I’m surprised. It’s like I live in hope that *this* time, people won’t be assholes. And I’m disappointed every goddamn time.

  • Kara

    Does not believe in god. Does not have cancer. IT’S A MIRACLE!

    • papango

      Oh, it makes sense now. I was confused when I read Mohler’s comment because my brother, who does believe in God, has cancer. But now I can see that there’s been some sort of mix up and he has someone else’s cancer. (I’m an atheist, but I’ve already had my lot, so it’s not mine). I’ll see if Mohler has a number I can call or form I fill in to get this sorted out.

  • http://willisweb.com CoderHead

    Add Douglas Wilson of Christianity Today to that list. What a douchey, opportunistic comment:
    We have no indication that Christopher ever called on the Lord before he died, and if he did not, then Scriptures plainly teach that he is lost forever. But we do have every indication that Christ died for sinners, men and women just like Christopher. We know that the Lord has more than once hired workers for his vineyard when the sun was almost down (Matt. 20:6).

  • RhubarbTheBear

    A hundred years from now and beyond, Hitch’s contributions to civilization will outweigh those of Warren and Mohler by several orders of magnitude.

    • lackinginsanity

      Are Warren and Mohler really contributing to society or just criticizing the parts of it they find…inconvenient?

    • steve oberski

      Assuming that they don’t help drag civilization into a new dark ages.

  • Rob

    Cancer is what killed Francis Schaefer as I recall, author of “How Shall We then Live?” and father of Franky Schaeffer Jr.

  • http://www.atheist-faq.com JT (Generic)

    Oh my, it’s the “Night of the Contemptible Ghouls”!

  • http://www.danafredsti.com Dana

    This is offensive to the extreme… Asshattery indeed…

  • cswella

    So does Mohler’s comments mean we can claim anyone who dies of cancer is an atheist? Or at least wasn’t a christian?

  • hylidae

    Did Rick Warren just declare himself the winner of an ongoing debate by virtue of his opponent expiring? What a ghoul.

  • Brownian

    Chris “If you gave Jerry Falwell an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox” Hitchens wasn’t one to wring his hands over respect for the dead. For some reason, these ghouls bother me less now than they have when other prominent atheists have died. For some reason, I think Hitch, more than anyone, could take these sorts of shitty, weak, spineless rabbit punches, and dish out a haymaker in response. If they’re sniping now, it’s only because this is the best chance they have at besting him in argument.

    I loathe the idiotic “Thanks for proving my point” retort, but it seems appropriate in this case.

    If anything, these ghouls are eulogising his life in a way only those poisoned by religion can.

  • Das Boese

    I was just waiting for the first “His cancer was the work of god!” fuckwit.

    What does it say about a god that supposedly cares enough to punish an unbeliever with an slow, agonizing death, yet can’t seem to be arsed to ease the same or worse kind of suffering of millions of his followers?

  • sqlrob
  • Sastra

    Brownian #14 wrote:

    If they’re sniping now, it’s only because this is the best chance they have at besting him in argument.

    Ramen. To paraphrase today’s Onion:

    “Fumbling, Inarticulate Christian tweeters Somehow Losing Debate to Christopher Hitchens.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mriana mrianabrinson

    What? Those two statements you shared with us, JT, are the craziest statements I’ve ever heard! I’d ask if they were kidding, but I’m almost certain they did not mean it as a joke. They truly believe such insanity. Not only that, it takes some pretty deluded and sick minds to believe such things and “rejoice” about an atheist death at the same time. It’s like they truly wish Hitchens was burning for real out their fear, spite, hatred, whatever you call for his disbelief and fight against superstition.

  • http://snarkyhumanist.blogspot.com/ vnectar
  • papango

    A friend of mine had this to say about Rick Warren’s comment:

    I don’t think so. If, at the end, much to my surprise, a great light envelops my soul and I behold God in all Its glory as it renders judgement unto me, I will spit upon it (or perform the closest to this action that a bodiless soul is capable of) and tell it that I made the call that It was so absent a parent, so uncaring a shepherd and so utterly, abysmally incompetent a supreme creator that it may as well not have existed at all, and that I made that call and stand by it proudly, even still.

  • Chiral

    I sent a couple things to Rick Warren and now someone else from Saddleback *spit* is trying to have a friendly conversation with me. I am kind of bemused. I’m tempted to try to goad him a bit, but not sure if I feel up to it.

  • Hengest

    Rick Warren is full of shit? Boy is JT’s blog ever full of surprises.

  • David

    So Rick Warren is stating that the friend that he “loved” is now suffering the fires of hell?? Because according to Rick’s faith, that is what he believes as “the Truth”. Don’t be a DICK, Rick. If Hitch was truly your friend, don’t belittle his grand existence with your arrogance. Honor his memory as a true friend would in humility and don’t use his death to forward the religious campaign of superstition. Its disrespectful. You should count yourself as unworthy of being his friend otherwise.

  • anteprepro

    For the Christians who might stumble across here, scratch their heads and say “What’s so bad about that?”, let me give you a scenario:

    A Christian dies of cancer. Everyone is showering words of condolences. But every so often, someone pretending to be mourning their death manages to say something like:

    “This man’s death is an excruciating reminder of the consequences of belief. We can only hope others will not believe”

    “My friend has died. I loved and hoped for him and grieve for him constantly. Guess he knows Heaven isn’t real now”

    “We have no indication that this man ever figured out that his religion was wrong, and if he did not, then I suppose he died a sheep. But we do have every indication that Christianity is a lie, fooling men and women just like the deceased. So, there’s hope for other people at least.”

    It’s amazing how poor the religious are at putting themselves in another person’s shoes. Try to realize, if you just understand one thing outside of your religious teachings in your fucking lives, that wringing your hands about religious matters over a non-religious man’s corpse can’t ever be spun as respectful. The kind of people who do it were not that man’s friend, and would be deemed incredibly rude to objective observers in a society that didn’t give such unnecessary social privilege to religious ideas.

    • Horsa

      24 are you shitting me? I’ve seen people be dicks just like you described on quite a number of occasions. One other atheist I came across even justified ridiculing a severely deluded schizophrenic man on the grounds that he was poisoning people’s minds with religion. Now I’ll grant that’s anecdotal but I have seen it happen quite a few times.

      • anteprepro

        Yeah, I’m sure you have. It totally isn’t that anything that dares question religious belief is considered inherently more offensive. I’m sure that atheists are going, pretending to be nice while mocking the recently deceased. Totally. And I’m sure that there isn’t any context at all to the “ridiculing a schizophrenic man” bit either (like, whether they actually knew he was schizophrenic…).

        Oh, and by the way, a “tu quoque” doesn’t actually undermine anything I actually fucking said (i.e. I was illustrating how rude these theist tropes are, so whether the atheist equivalents are rarer or not is irrelevant to that. What would be relevant is showing me that these atheist equivalents aren’t commonly viewed as rude.)

        • Horsa

          It totally isn’t that anything that dares question religious belief is considered inherently more offensive. I’m sure that atheists are going, pretending to be nice while mocking the recently deceased.

          You seem to think I’m not an atheist. I am an atheist. I’m just not woefully biased, like you.

          ps regarding mocking the recently deceased:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens%27s_critiques_of_public_figures#Jerry_Falwell

          Of course Falwell deserved it in this case but it can be done without it being considered rude by many.

          And I’m sure that there isn’t any context at all to the “ridiculing a schizophrenic man” bit either (like, whether they actually knew he was schizophrenic…).

          He did, because I told him; he kept the ridicule up without remorse anyway, with the same bullshit justification.

          • Anteprepro

            I’m just not woefully biased, like you

            I’m biased? How so? By believing that religious sneering is no less insulting than anti-religious jabs when talking about the recently deceased? Or that I suggested it was less common? Because those are my two main fucking propositions, both of which you have still yet to deal with in your whining attempts to pretend that I’ve said something wrong. (Note: I don’t think Hitchens, unlike the examples JT has given, was trying to give off the air of being friendly towards Falwell. You’ll note that deliberately trying to be rude is quite different from being rude while pretending to be kind. And I have far fewer complaints about the former than the latter.)

          • Horsa

            By believing that religious sneering is no less insulting than anti-religious jabs when talking about the recently deceased?

            I imagine they’d be about the same in insultingness. That seems kind of obvious. The tone of your post suggested that religious people do it more though.

            Or that I suggested it was less common?

            a) Who knows really?

            b) Your comparison isn’t really fair because atheists are a minority in the (US) population anyway.

            In any case, I’m tired of the (apparent) attitude that religion poisons everything; makes people stupid, horrid monsters, etc., etc., etc. If/when religion disappears we’ll more likely than not have more or less the same social problems we do now; it’ll be rather like that South Park episode making fun of RD.

            I’m also tired of repetitive, constantly rehashed swiping at the low-hanging fruit of the religious right. This browbeating gets really tiresome after a while. So, yeah, Rick Warren is an obnoxious dumbass. What else is new really?

  • Horsa

    What low-hanging fruit will JT swipe at next? Who knows…

    • Anteprepro

      Replying to this one because the other one is getting too stringy:

      I imagine they’d be about the same in insultingness. That seems kind of obvious. The tone of your post suggested that religious people do it more though.

      Okay, that’s fair enough: My tone was a bit much, but just to illustrate the point that the religious equivalent was, in fact, insulting. This is a point that seems obvious, I agree. My motivation was my feeling that most of the people who say this kind of thing aren’t actually aware of the fact that it could be perceived as insulting. Or at least they pretend not to be aware of that. YMMV.

      • Horsa

        My tone was a bit much, but just to illustrate the point that the religious equivalent was, in fact, insulting.

        If you consider mocking the dead (or whatever) to be insulting. The dead themselves probably don’t mind.

        The overarching meaning of is why spend so much time bashing on religion / religious people? It’s repetitive and stale, number one, number two, claims about how greatly society will improve by getting rid of religion are pretty sketchy.

        • Horsa

          “The overarching meaning of my posting”


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