Michael Egnor: Champion Of The Faithful

The contents of this post represent the opinions of JT Eberhard, not the Secular Student Alliance.

Michael Egnor, Expelled martyr and biology know-nothing, has decided to drop by the blog and grace us with the fruits of his religion of compassion.

As you know, there has been a bit of a kerfuffle in Rhode Island where a young woman asked her school to stop breaking the law, a judge decided she was in the right, and then a state representative joined a mob of Jesus-lovers in somehow thinking the girl was the villain instead of the lawbreakers.  You can guess which side Egnor’s thrown in with.

It’s as if they all had some force acting on their brains affecting their ability to make sane moral conclusions.  Love the liars and lawbreakers, to hell with the honest law-abiding student.  And people get mad at me for saying Christianity is an insult to humanity.  Christians like Peter Palumbo and Mike Egnor put me to shame.

Dear Rep. Palumbo,

Thank you so much for speaking out about Jessica Ahlquist.

I strongly support your statement, and I share your dismay at the unconstitutional denial of the right to free exercise of religion inherent in the judge’s decision.

We face censorship and anti-Christian bigotry, and we need legislators who have to courage to speak up for freedom.

I will contribute to your campaign, and will encourage my readers and friends to do so as well.

Sincerely,

Michael Egnor, M.D.

It’s like he’s begging to be strung up as an example.  Bleeding heart that I am, I’ve never been able to refuse a beggar.

Thank you so much for speaking out about Jessica Ahlquist.

A lot of us are speaking out about Jessica too!  The difference is that we’re praising her honesty and defense of our Constitution. By speaking out against Jessica, by calling the one who was legally in the right evil, Egnor and Palumbo are speaking out against those things.

If these guys are demonstrating the will of Jesus, we must conclude that Jesus thinks the Constitution, and presumably the country built upon it, sucks.

y u hate America so much, Jesus?

I strongly support your statement, and I share your dismay at the unconstitutional denial of the right to free exercise of religion inherent in the judge’s decision.

Like Palumbo, Egnor isn’t moved to rebuke the people who lied about the prayer (after all, they were lying for Jesus!).  He clearly isn’t concerned about the prayerful Christians threatening the well-being of a young woman.  No, their priority is to condemn the woman who was legally right and who has never threatened a soul.

It is a rather obvious observation that faith in Jesus is not a recipe for making moral citizens.  In this case, it’s equally obvious why we atheists work so hard to oppose faith: because it fucks with your moral priorities unlike any other force on Earth.

Which statement of Palumbo’s does Egnor support?  That the woman who was legally right is an evil little thing?  That the woman deemed as clearly an articulate and courageous young woman is being coerced by evil people (not to be confused with the liars or the threat-happy believers, those aren’t the evil ones you silly goose!)  That she’s a barking seal?  Which derisive non-argument stuck out most to Egnor as a paragon of Christian virtue, I wonder.

And whose free exercise of religion has been denied?  The state’s?  The state does not have that right, what with not being a person and all.  As far as I know the students at that school can pray until they’re blue in the face, so can the teachers when they’re not acting as representatives of the state.  This actually protects religions.

Last year Egnor wrote a piece lamenting the impending execution of a Christian in Iran.  I can only presume that Egnor would not have been dissuaded by shrieks of “This is an Islamic nation!”  Yet Egnor somehow remains oblivious to the danger of the state being intermixed with religion!  By keeping our government separate from religion, it means the Christians get equal treatment (and protection) if the Muslims are in power, it means Muslims (or atheists) get equal treatment (and protection) if Christians are in power.  Everybody is protected because the government remains neutral.  And, just like Egnor, we are not moved by shrieks of “This is a Christian nation!”

And that prayer, and it was a prayer Mike, was absolutely not neutral – which is why it was an open and shut case in favor of Jessica.  It’s why the defendants lied, because there was no way they could win the case honestly (that’ll happen when you’re breaking the law).  The fact that it was such an easy case is also why believers are squirming out of the woodwork to try and win by intimidation, because legally they’re fucked.

We face censorship and anti-Christian bigotry, and we need legislators who have to courage to speak up for freedom.

Yeah, it must be tough being the majority.

It must be hard being harassed and threatened when you ask the minority to stop breaking the law.  It must be hard dealing with people who think they’re above the law, or that lying and otherwise playing unfairly is ok.  You should call Jessica Ahlquist.  She can tell you how it feels.

And yes, we need more politicians who have the “courage” to go on the radio, side with the majority, shit on the constitution, and deride a 16 year-old.  That’s what I think of when I envision my ideal leader.  What balls one needs to be a champion of Christ.  It’s amazing how indistinguishable heroes are from bullies through the lens of Christianity.

Actually, that’s not true.  It’s not amazing in the least.  In fact, it’s pretty much old hat by now.

I will contribute to your campaign, and will encourage my readers and friends to do so as well.

You’re not going to win in court, so why not butter up a politician?  Why don’t you throw a number out, Mike?  Politicians like Palumbo react to that like dogs to steak.

How about thirty pieces of silver to betray the Constitution?

  • julian

    Asshats generally tend to have each other’s backs.

    Also, how the fuck is Egnor still around? Isn’t there some limbo entirely irrelevant ID proponents fade into after everyone from their colleagues to U.S. district courts tell them they are full of shit?

  • http://simpleatheism.wordpress.com/ 8bit

    Ah, the Christian persecution complex. When you say you, “face censorship and anti-Christian bigotry,” you mean you can’t force your beliefs on others.

  • http://clevelandatheists.com Sam Salerno

    As in your face their discrimination against Jessica is, you would think it should be plain as day to them. It’s a matter of our constitutional rights. And when I say “our” I mean everyones rights.
    I can see feeling persecuted if us Atheists were sending messages like “I’m going to beat the shit out of that guy who posted that prayer.” But it’s just the opposite. And they are persecuting Jessica for protecting their rights.
    It’s pretty plain to see it’s not their rights they are worried about losing. It’s their governmental power that they are worried about losing. Which is why we need to begin to get candidates for secularism in the White House.

  • niftyatheist

    Another fantastic post on the Cranston debacle.

    I hate to criticize anything about these superb posts on this topic, but one thing has jumped out at me in at least two posts: the phrase “string him up as an example”. The imagery which this language evokes (for me) made me very uncomfortable and I kept hoping you meant “hold him up as an example” – and wishing you had used something like that instead.

  • http://cubiksrube.wordpress.com writerJames

    Ugh. Not exactly surprising that someone like Egnor would turn up to play a grubby role in this whole thing, but ugh.

    Also, am I unfairly ignoring the bulk of Palumbo’s point, or is there really not much there to agree with and support beyond labelling this 16-year-old girl evil? If he had some kind of constitutional argument (beyond more inane whining about “anti-Christian bigotry”), that might be one thing, but it seems like what Egnor is really keen to associate himself with is cruelty and hatred being directed at a young person who tried to get people to obey the law. Utterly dismal.

  • MikeMa

    Egnor – wrong on biology, wrong on the constitution, wrong on christian love.

    • Rory

      Hardly a shock though, is it? If Mike Egnor told me the sky was blue, I’d go outside and check.

    • http://justdfacsmaam.wordpress.com MarkNS

      I’d say he has christian “love” exactly right.

  • http://everydayatheist.wordpress.com Everyday Atheist

    We face censorship and anti-Christian bigotry, and we need legislators who have to courage to speak up for freedom.

    And once again, we see the galling ingratitude of people who have the greatest degree of religious freedom in the entire world. You can start a church on any street corner, attend any house of worship as often or as little as you want, say and believe virtually anything you want in the context of that religion, and our government won’t interfere with you in the slightest. Hell, they’ll even let you keep the proceeds of your spiritual venture, tax-free. What a country!

    Oh, but the Constitution won’t let religious people use government institutions to push their religion on others, so they’re persecuted. Fucking ingrates!

  • NN8

    Is he really a neurosurgeon? Practicing? If so, people need to stop using his services. A evolution denying doctor is a bad doctor.

  • http://justdfacsmaam.wordpress.com MarkNS

    My new Facebook status:
    “…why we atheists work so hard to oppose faith: because it fucks with your moral priorities unlike any other force on Earth.” – JT Eberhard

    • Joe Geiger

      Agreed! JT for the win.

  • John Phillips, FCD

    JT wrote

    How about thirty pieces of silver to betray the Constitution?

    QFFT

    I’m beginning to see a pattern here. Atheists generally know more about their religion than does the average xian, Atheist ‘furriners’ like myself apparently know more about the US Constitution than the average USian xian. Bear with me while I go out on a bit of a limb here, but making a wild guess, could the common factor here be xian?

    P.S. I accidentally posted the above over at Ed’s due to FTB dying on me yet again when trying to post a comment.

    • Anonymous

      Evolutionist= people who are ANGRY at God.
      Creationist= people who believe in a God who does not have a fault in the sin of humanity because humanity chose it by choice of freedom. Therefore God is only being just as he was before and will always be.

    • gap

      Evolutionist= people who are ANGRY at God.
      Creationist= people who believe in a God who does not have a fault in the sin of humanity because humanity chose it by choice of freedom. Therefore God is only being just as he was before and will always be.


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