Mom and Sandy, round 2

It started yesterday.  It continues today.

  • Sandy Odegard

    19 hours ago

    Sandy #####

    • Carol, What a lot of venom! I must have touched a nerve! I will say once again, that I have never made statements against atheists, and never will. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Which you have most vehemently voiced. You can believe or not believe as you wish. You have no more physical “proof” than any christian to back up your belief system. What it takes either way is faith. After all, what do you have to prove that you love John or that he loves you but your faith. b

      I don’t mean to be insulting or belittling you. I just want to say that you have every right to state your beliefs, but to insult those of others is small minded,

      Finally, like it or not, I will pray for you however much you may try to insult me. To quote, “I think thou dost protest too much”! you can un-friend me if you wish, but I will continue to pray,.

  • Carol Eberhard

    19 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • Venom is usually the term that is given when Christianity is not given the respect and privilege it feels it deserves. What I didn’t gratuitiously do, out of the blue, is send you a post that basically said my beliefs are right and yours are wrong, and since mine are superior “I’ll pray for you”. I guess we have a different definition of venom, I did cite a lot of reasons why I believe as I do.

      I happen to have evidence that John loves me. I have evidence he exists. I can reach out and touch him.

      Pray if you wish.

  • Carol Eberhard

    19 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • Sandy, atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief. It’s like saying bald is a hair color or barefoot is a shoe size. Can I prove god doe not exist? You cannot prove a negative. All you can do is look at the evidence. Can you prove unicorns or smurfs don’t exist?

      I have not insulted you personally, just a belief system. You can insult atheism all you want.

      As for touching a nerve, my posts depicting homophobia seem to certainly have touched yours.

  • Carol Eberhard

    18 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • Sandy, there are thousands of different religions in the world, over 33,000 different sects of Christianity alone. How many of them do you believe? In a way, you understand atheism, I just believe in one less god than you do. Do you honestly believe yours is the only true one and that you were just fortunate enough to be born and indoctrinated into it?

  • Sandy Odegard

    18 hours ago

    Sandy #####

    • Hardly And again, I have never insulted atheism, or those that “don’t believe”. My statement was not “out of the blue” it was based on reading all your negative posts. You seem to need to attack the beliefs of those with whom you do not agree. As far as homophobia is concerned, there are very few gay’s that have physical reasons for their choice of lifestyles. It seems to me, to put it simplistically, If females have part “a” and males have part “b” that their parts are made to fit together, not “a” + “a”, pr “b” + “b”. if “a” + “a” or “b” + “b” became the norm, our species would soon become extinct, would it not?

  • Carol Eberhard

    18 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • I find posting what I do to be no different from people posting “prayers” or “God Wants You to Know” or asking for prayers, etc. Yes, it was out of the blue. I did not post things on facebook to Sandy #####. Your post to let me know you were “saddened” and were “praying for me”…were directed…well, to me. There is a difference in making a public post and contacting someone privately.

      Being gay is not a choice. It is common throughout the animal kingdom. And since gays are born from heterosexual parents, I don’t see the human race as going extinct. Approximately 5-10 percent of the population is gay and always has been. When the Bible was written, they needed extra little sheepherders. Today the planet is groaning.

      I don’t “need” to attack beliefs. But, when I feel they are fantastical, when they are filled with prejudice or hate under the guise of “god’s love”, I will do so.

  • Carol Eberhard

    17 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • Sandy, I will add. If you do not like my posts, feel free to cite evidence, facts, critical analysis at any time. I would be more than happy to discuss our different belief systems. But, to merely tell me that you are “saddened” or that you “will pray for me”, or “my, my, what love”…well, I’m sorry, no, I do not respect that. I do not believe in Christian privilege, as I have already told you.

  • Sandy Odegard

    13 hours ago

    Sandy #####

    • Maybe if you considered it as from one human to another, you would be more respectful of me and my difference of opinion. And would you please tell me just what I said that was “filled with hate”? Maybe you are looking for hate where it doesn’t exist.

  • Carol Eberhard

    13 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • I didn’t say you, in particular, Sandy. I did, however, see plenty of hate in the video of the children being taught to sing “Ain’t no homos in heaven”.

    • And, I’m sorry, but you are confusing disrespecting you from disrespecting your beliefs.

    • And I have no obligation to respect what I consider to be bad ideas. Just because you like it or believe in it doesn’t mean another person feels the same.

  • Carol Eberhard

    13 hours ago

    Carol Eberhard

    • Were the people in the video teaching their children to hate showing respect from one human to another? Respect for their different view of living their own life? I don’t have to look hard to see hate in a lot of what Christianity espouses under the guise of love.

    • Sandy, it’s rather like this. I respect your right to believe however you want or for you to have opinions. Let’s say you believe child abuse is o.k. That is your right, but believe me, I’m going to speak out against your belief because I think it is wrong.

  • Rory

    Hmm, I dunno, if Sandy is a Catholic, it seems like she probably does think child abuse is A-OK.

    I hope your mom has her bingo card. Looks like she’s just about cover all the highlights with this one.

  • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine

    Being gay is not a choice.

    Not to be pedantic, but the next question should be “So what if it’s a choice?” So much for that whole “Freedom” American ideal.

    • John Horstman

      Yeah, I’m against being baited into the debate over ‘choice’, as it’s a derail. Whether being gay is a choice really only matters if it’s somehow undesirable or wrong or problematic. There’s no reason to implicitly concede that point.

  • B-Lar

    Your Mum is awesome! Go Family Eberhard!

  • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine

    And no, gays are fucking sterile.

    • sqlrob

      They are?

      Funny artificial insemination / surrogate motherhood works just fine.

      • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine

        Hell, I’d go ahead and say that homosexuals can have straight sex and still be gay.

        They just don’t want to.

    • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine

      What a difference a “n’t” makes

      • sqlrob

        Yeah, figured that’s probably what you meant after I posted :D

  • Mike de Fleuriot

    Being an atheist is like being a rock affected by gravity. It’s so easy to be. Not only have I personally never heard a good enough argument to believe, I have not heard of anyone else having a good enough one.

  • DaveL

    If females have part “a” and males have part “b” that their parts are made to fit together, not “a” + “a”, pr “b” + “b”. if “a” + “a” or “b” + “b”

    Maybe we could all chip in and send the Odegards a copy of the Kama Sutra or something.

  • http://talkorigins.org jatheist

    I just f-ing love these kinds of posts JT!! Keep them coming! I never tire of reading the back-and-forth between a theist and an always better equipped atheist. It helps remind me that these people exist (living in Canada I don’t often encounter such people!).

  • Kevin

    How typical that it’s the theist who feels abused.

    • Steve

      They love feeling persecuted. It probably makes them seem closer to their zombie lord

  • Aratina Cage

    females have part “a” and males have part “b” that their parts are made to fit together, not “a” + “a”, pr “b” + “b”. if “a” + “a” or “b” + “b”

    Because saddlebacking isn’t a thing that people with “a” and “b” parts do or anything… You know, I sometimes wonder if people who say things like that have ever watched The Atheist’s Worst Nightmare by Ray Comfort or if they’ve ever looked in a mirror at their own naked bodies. Lots of our parts fit well together with other parts. Welcome to evolution!

  • http://faehnri.ch/ eric

    Again, your parents are rad.

    Saying we were “made” to do things in a certain way is bordering on assuming an agent created us with purpose instead of the blind process of evolution. She might not mean exactly that, but I do hear theists project their religion into rationalizations this way.

    But saying we were “made” to do things then not allowing people to do otherwise is confusing descriptive with perscriptive rules. You might as well make planes illegal because we weren’t “made” to fly.

  • Carol Eberhard

    Yes, the whole thing with a+a, and b+b, or b+d, a+t, you can go on and on. Throw in a few numbers, what the hey. The bottom line is, the one thing in life that we have and can truly call our own is our body. And what we decide to do with it and who we decide to share it with is nobody’s business but our own.

    • Tigger_the_Wing

      Well said! =^_^=

      And, as an ex-Catholic, I would like to add that I believe that it is control of what people do with their bodies that is at the root of the mind-control foisted on us by the church from infancy.

  • http://www.stevewarburton.com Steve Warburton

    I think these arguements will go on forever. As long as Christians believe and athiests don’t. I feel that the only “religion” I feel close to is Buddhism. I have never met a Buddhist who tried to shove his/her belief down my throught, told me as a child I was going to hell and tried to butt in and run the country. They haven’t told me not to do “that” to my body because it’s a sin and I’ll go to hell. Still, I choose to be athiest because I don’t have to be made to feel guilty. My life is my own to live, the way I live it. I have been brought up as a good, law abiding citizen of the world and choose to live that way. Without influence of any church, my family are good people. Until the Vulcans (or whoever) come down to greet us, and thus disprove the existence of god once and for all, we will always be having this arguement. Makes life interesting I suppose.

    • http://www.stevewarburton.com Steve Warburton

      BTW, I live in Australia. We don’t seem to have the whacked-out fundies you have where you live. Our anglicans tend to keep to themselves, unfortunately the catholics want to stick their noses into the running of the government as often as they can. Luckilly they aren’t taken seriously, but it doesn’t stop them from trying.


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