Mom and Sandy Round 3 (Blogathon 42/49)

Here’s round 1.

Here’s round 2.

Here’s round 3:

It started when Sandy shared a post of Earl’s to her facebook wall.

Billy Graham’s Prayer For Our Nation
THIS MAN SURE HAS A GOOD VIEW OF WHAT’S HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY!

‘Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, ‘Woe to those who call evil good,’ but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. We have killed our unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable… We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem. We have abused power and called it politics. We have coveted our neighbor’s possessions and called it ambition. We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from sin and Set us free. Amen!’
With the Lord’s help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we once again can be called ‘One nation under God!”

Carol:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/prayernation.asp

Sandy:
Whoever wrote it, Reverend Graham is a wise and Godly man.

Earl:
Carol…..thanks for this information….still a prayer for our country!

Carol:
Earl, you are welcome. I hate to see any sort of misinformation spread.

At this point, Sandy sent mom a private message:

“The prayer may not have originated from Billy Graham, but he IS a wise and Godly man. Even if you don’t believe in God.”

Mom responded in a private message with:

“So apparently Wright is a wise and godly man, too. I wasn’t making any sort of statement with that. Just thought it should be properly attributed.”

Sandy private messaged back:

“Guess he is a Godly man. I knew what you were doing.”

Shortly thereafter, Sandy left another comment on her thread.

Sandy: (she had since deleted this comment, but I’ll try to post it as best I remember)
Let me tell you something about Carol Eberhard.  She is a former classmate of mine.  She and her husband John are atheists and they continually post hateful things about Christianity.   Carol never misses an opportunity to take a jab at me. I try to pray for them every day, but sometimes I miss a few. I will continue to follow my faith and pray.

Carol:
Sandy if I have jabbed you personally on Facebook, show me where. It all should be on your Timeline (or mine) and not hard to find. Show me one instance, just one. I pointed out that this post was not factual. I happen to believe in truth. If you want to consider that a personal jab, well, go ahead. Your post above definitely seems to be a personal jab (and I think perhaps you just bore false witness). Yes, I am an atheist. You may pray and post about your faith and I will continue to post about its fallacies and falsehoods.

Mom was gone for the weekend. When she returned, she had a private message from Sandy, which read:

“Carol, I am sorry that the comment to Earl (my cousin, another Christian) was on regular facebook as it was meant for just him. You must understand that when you post anti-Christian comments you are making it personal fir every Christian. As I said before, it is a matter of faith. When something happens in the heart, it cannot be documented so that people such as yourself will believe it. What you are doing is cruel and childish. You don’t seem to care who you hurt just to “prove” that you are right. Whether you are or not. When I post things about my Christian faith, I do not make jabs an athiest’s unbelief. Why must you insult Christians? There are stupid people everywhere who say and do stupid things. Like snake handlers and hate mongers. That does not make everyone else bad. Again, I apologize for mentioning you and John by name.”

Mom responded with:

“Sandy,
I appreciate your apology for mentioning John and me by name. You do not seem to be sorry for lying when you thought the person you were lying about would not see it.

When I post things that are anti-Christian (as well as things that are anti-religion in general), they are not meant to change the mind of a Christian such as yourself. One who is so invested in their faith and belief system, they cannot separate a criticism of that belief from a criticism of themselves. There are many people who were brought up in Christian households, brought up indoctrinated. They reach a point where they begin to think for themselves and realize they no longer can walk that road. That evidence and logic has shown them it is not valid. However, they are afraid to come out and tell their friends and families, or the world in general. They are afraid of the ostracism, afraid their own families will disown them. A good many (and I do mean a good many) Christians do not like people speaking out against their belief system and will do everything they can to intimidate, guilt trip, and shame them into silence (much as you are trying to do to me). It is for these people (many of them young), that I speak out. To let them know there are like minded people out there that are not afraid to point out Christianity’s fallacies. That it is o.k. to think for yourself and come to your own conclusions about how the universe works.

For you to think this is “childish and cruel” is baffling. If someone were to criticize Democrats or Republicans, liberals or conservatives, should each individual Democrat, Republican, liberal or conservative take it as a personal affront? Hardly. They are criticizing a belief system about how the government should be run. Why should a belief system about how the universe was created or how it works not be opened to the same scrutiny? This is “Christian privilege” talking.

If you want to speak out against Atheism, go right ahead. I promise I will not take it personally. If you have any evidence to present, put it out there on the table and let’s discuss it. But, I will not be shamed or guilt-tripped into silence. I will not run my Facebook presence to suit anyone but myself.”

Sandy has been conspicuously silent ever since.

This is post 41 of 49 for Blogathon.

Total donors is at 255 (if we hit 300 by 7am tomorrow, even if those donations are just the $5 minimum, 20 campers at Camp Quest Ohio will get to pie Michaelyn or JT in the face)! There will be pictures. That link also has some other ideas for pledging for Blogathon. :)

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  • stubby

    Your mom’s awesomeness forced me to donate.

    • http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd JT Eberhard

      She’ll be excited to hear that. :) Thank you!

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com Umlud

    I’d generalize, “This is ‘Christian privilege’ talking” to, “This is ‘the privilege of majority religion’ talking.” It’s merely that we live in a majority Christian-of-some-sort nation (that has pocket enclaves of other religions, admittedly). In other nations – where Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, or Islam are majority religions/belief systems – the default expectation is that you aren’t supposed to query the tenets of those religions/belief systems.

    … unless you are full of missionary zeal for your one, true, absolutely correct religion (that is likely the majority religion of your home community – and one that was never questioned). I love Mormon missionaries: they are really nice people who really want to talk with at you about their religion. Of course, I’ve yet to find one a pair who are willing to have an open discussion about other religions and the possibility that their religion isn’t any truer or real than any other or about why I’m never going to be persuaded by their “arguments” and “evidence”.


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