Tell me more about how hard it is

Comments like this one drive me nuts.

I am so sorry you guys feel this way. If we want to believe in God there is nothing you can do or ever do to stop us. You think it is so easy for you to think it is easy being a Christian but do you ever stop and think how many people actually hate us. If you think we are stupid you have the right, I could care less. It takes a person with a lot of bravery to sit down and know that becoming a Christian you will be hated by 95% of the people on this earth, that is if you openly admit it. I know that you will be stating in your next post on here that I am a retard… So what, the world is not the greatest place to live. There will always be people that hate us. It says so in the bible and thus your hate for me makes my belief stronger because it says that people, like you, will hate people, like me, in the bible. Oh and another thing you cant control there will be someone praying for you tonight. God bless :P

You’re so sorry?  And yet, you proceed to gloat.  How’s that humility and not bearing false witness thing working out?

If we want to believe in God there is nothing you can do or ever do to stop us.

Wrong.  Tons of people who deconvert want to believe in god.  They fear the ostracism and social consequences that exist because of Christians in this country – yet they cannot help their slipping faith.  That’s because people don’t choose their beliefs.  You can no more believe in someone rising from the dead (given the proper facts) than you can make yourself believe gravity doesn’t work (even if you want to).

And we have two very important advantages: our position is reasonable and the Christian proposition is ridiculous.  The Christian advantage comes with their willingness to propagate their beliefs by immoral means (if you want to call it an advantage).

You think it is so easy for you to think it is easy being a Christian…

Yup.

…but do you ever stop and think how many people actually hate us.

In the United States, where you’re the handy majority?  I’m going to go with, “Not as nearly as many as atheists.”

Can Christians run for office?  Well yes, in fact it’s virtually impossible for a public atheist to get elected.

Do your conferences have red name tags to warn others against posting pictures of some attendees, because they’re too scared to be “out”?

No?  Then you’ve come to the wrong place for sympathy.  But go ahead, tell me how hard the majority has it.

If you think we are stupid you have the right, I could care less.

I think your beliefs are stupid.  They are.  And if you don’t care if your beliefs are stupid, that says volumes about what religion can do to your priorities.

I could care less. It takes a person with a lot of bravery to sit down and know that becoming a Christian you will be hated by 95% of the people on this earth, that is if you openly admit it.

Given that 31-35% of the global population is Christian, that means the vast majority of Christians hate themselves.

That, or it means you’re making shit up and then expecting me to treat your opinions seriously.  Weren’t you just griping about how unfair it was for people to think you’re stupid?

And “if you openly admit it”?  Yes, look at how brave almost every member of congress is.  Look at how bold the preponderance of the US population is.  I dream of a day when Christians can walk the streets in broad daylight.

I know that you will be stating in your next post on here that I am a retard…

Sadly, no.  Religion has the ability to convince people with actual functioning brains that opinions like the drivel you’re leaking are credible.  In religion the virtue is in just believing, not on whether or not what you’re believing makes sense.  That’s why it’s a liability for you, for any other person, and the subject of so much scorn from people like me.

So what, the world is not the greatest place to live.

I’m a fan.  Got evidence for the heaven to which you’re alluding?  Because you didn’t include it in your comment.

There will always be people that hate us.

There will certainly always be people annoyed by you.  I imagine wherever there are people annoyed by irrationality treated like a virtue.

It says so in the bible and thus your hate for me makes my belief stronger because it says that people, like you, will hate people, like me, in the bible.

Note  to self when writing my next holy book: include a line that says others will hate you for running around telling others they’re going to burn for all eternity.  By jove, I’m a prophet.

I should also include a command to move to some place where you’re the majority and then piss and moan about how hated my followers are to the minority, which has almost no governmental representation.

Oh and another thing you cant control there will be someone praying for you tonight. God bless :P

Like masturbating without the fun.  I’ll be having unmarried sex.

Unlike most Christians, I’m not out to control the behavior of people who aren’t me.  Also, have fun turning “I’ll pray for you” into an epithet while pretending that I’m the one smearing your religion.

  • raven

    Oh and another thing you cant control there will be someone praying for you tonight. God bless

    I’ll pray for you translates from fundiespeak to English as:

    Fuck you

    I’ll pray for you too.

  • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine (I feel safe and welcome at FTB)
    …but do you ever stop and think how many people actually hate us.

    In the United States, where you’re the handy majority? I’m going to go with, “Not as nearly as many as atheists.”

    It’s not just that they’re roughly 80% of the U.S. population, but anyone outside the U.S. has to deal with the 80% of the U.S. population and the God-fearing U.S. Armed Forces.

    It’s pretty easy to comfortably sit behind the largest, most powerful military in human history and not have to worry that much about the “others” reigning in on your parade.

    • becca

      I think you meant “raining” not “reigning” [/pedant]

      • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine (I feel safe and welcome at FTB)

        I think I was doing some weird combination of “raining on the parade” and “reining them in”, but then misspelled “rein” as “reign”, so it was more like a double fail.

        • John Horstman

          No! Play it off as a clever play on words, since you’re talking about an instance of raining on one’s parade through asserted power i.e. ruling or “reigning”. It was unintentionally brilliant; claim intent and you’re all set. :-)

  • http://reasonableconversation.wordpress.com Kaoru Negisa

    Note to self when writing my next holy book: include a line that says others will hate you for running around telling others they’re going to burn for all eternity.

    I was thinking something similar. There’s nothing like martyrdom to make you feel like believing in fairy tales was totes worth it.

    Fred Clark, my other favorite blogger, refers to people like this as belonging to IndigNation. They feed on their ability to feel persecuted. They’re addicted to being angry and self-pitying, looking always for a way to justify their faith by “proving” over and over again how downtrodden they are. Human beings like underdog stories, so they cast themselves as the underdog, even when it doesn’t make sense.

    Am I the only person who wants to start a #firstworldchristianproblems hash tag?

    Was called a “bigot” for informing my neighbor he was an abomination #firstworldchristianproblems

    My city council doesn’t end the opening prayer with “in Jesus’s name” #firstworldchristianproblems

    There was a menorah and that Kwanzaa thing next to the Nativity scene on the city hall lawn #firstworldchristianproblems

    Atheists keep asking me for evidence but won’t count Scripture #firstworldchristianproblems

    Anyone else have any?

  • billyeager

    If you think we are stupid you have the right, I could care less.

    You *could* care less? Or, perhaps, you *couldn’t* care less?

    Think about it you dumb fuck.

    • Onamission5

      You beat me to it!

      Could care less means this person cares an awful lot. Me thinks this commenter just showed per arse show without realizing what xe was doing.

      • Randomfactor

        No, it means it’s not worth the effort involved to care less-er.

        • victorharris

          If you could care less, it means you care, even if it’s just a little. I couldn’t care less means you do not care at all. It’s basic english.

    • Chrisj

      David Mitchell has a fine rant on the subject.

    • Daniel H.

      JT was writing in colloquial English. If you understood what he meant to say (which you did) then he was effectively communicating. If you can’t find an error in someone’s logic, I guess you’ll find any way to insult them…

      • Bill Yeager

        JT was not writing in colloquial English. The quote I was commenting on was from the Xtian. So no, I wasn’t being abusive towards JT, I was being abusive towards the Xtian (like the majority of the people on the planet, according to them).

        There, should be simple enough so nobody else goes jumping in feet first.

        No, you cannot claim “I could care less” is the right phrase when “I couldn’t care less” clearly denotes that you care so little that you would be unable to measurably care any less.

        Could care less meaning it’s not worth the effort to care any less-er? Srsly? :rolleyes:

    • John Horstman

      Is it sad that this bothered me more than the false persecution complex (95% of the world? Really?). I mean, the omission of the negation modifier inverts the meaning of the phrase. The fact that turns-of-phrase like this become standardized in various regional dialects makes it abundantly clear to me that far too many people pay little to no attention to the meaning of the words issuing from their face-holes.

  • Jeremy Shaffer

    Maybe I just haven’t noticed until now but it looks like this is a new “movement” among the Christians to “be brave and proclaim your faith!” I’m seeing it on billboards and facebook a lot now. Makes me laugh (as opposed to crying) at the idea that people are patting them selves on the back for fearlessly announcing that they fall in line with the majority. I guess that in the home of the brave the bar for courage wasn’t lowered, it was kicked over and replaced with a participation badge.

  • Rory

    The persecution complex here is revolting. No, I don’t hate you, you pretentious little shit. I’d be perfectly happy to ignore you and your idiotic beliefs, but Christians seem to be less interested in ‘live and let live’ and more interested in ‘do as I say.’ Make you a deal–stop pushing your stupid crap beliefs on other people, and I’ll ignore you completely. Any takers?

  • David Hart

    “It takes a person with a lot of bravery to sit down and know that becoming a Christian you will be hated by 95% of the people on this earth, that is if you openly admit it.”

    Given that 31-35% of the global population is Christian, that means the vast majority of Christians hate themselves.

    Not necessarily – they might well just be hating the other types of Christian:-)

    • http://peopleofpublictransport.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      There are no “other” Christians – there is only the Second Revival Eastern Jesus Convention Northern Jesus Congregation Western Jesus Convocation Primitive Baptist Haploid Jesus Congregation of Faith in Lord Jesus Love God Jesus Christ and His Saints of Mercy Heart of Faith Jesus.

      The rest are not Christians.

      • petejohn

        When I was in college and hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that I was, in fact, an atheist (I had tried to convince myself that I believed in a vague deistic god-thing while arguing that religion was really the problem), I dated a girl who belonged to an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of the Mormon church, itself an offshoot of Christianity, itself an offshoot of Judaism.

        It had a ridiculous long name that I don’t even recall or care to recall.

        As an aside, I went with her and her parents to a service once to be polite. The guy giving the talk (or whatever they called it) quoted a guy writing in the 1950s. The speaker had the gall to say “And I think it’s worth noting this was a time where much more virtue existed in our nation,” and the crowd nodded along with him. I asked the girlfriend about this after the service, saying something to the effect of “Is he aware that in the 1950s white Americans were murdering black Americans, some of whom WWII veterans, for attempting to register to vote? For saying ‘hey baby!’ to white girls? And that significant parts of the country neither knew nor cared about this, while others accepted it either tacitly or enthusiastically?”

        She had no answer… Because she had been one of the ones nodding along. We didn’t make it much past that point.

  • http://peopleofpublictransport.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Aww, bless his heart. It’s always cute when the supermajority every US politician has to publicly demonstrate allegiance to* tells the minority how horrible it is to be them.

    *and sometimes even that isn’t enough – Obama iz a mooslum!

  • http://healthyhumanist.com Healthy Humanist

    Biggest unmarried sex is best unmarried sex.

  • anteprepro

    Glad to see I’m not the alone in finding that comment irksome.

    Anyway:

    People were mean to me for being wrong on the internet #firstworldchristianproblems

    I preached to a random group of teenagers outside and some of them questioned me, sometimes rudely! #firstworldchristianproblems

    Went to third world country to convert indigenous people to Christianity. They didn’t completely appreciate my efforts. #firstworldchristianproblems

    Sent death threats to filthy atheists and actually got in trouble for it #firstworldchristianproblems

    Ten Commandments that weren’t supposed to be in courtroom to begin with now no longer in courtroom #firstworldchristianproblems

    A speaker at a skeptic convention insulted the Bible, and then I got in trouble for banning everyone at convention from my business #firstworldchristianproblems #nogelatofoyou

    Some Evil Little Thing took away a plaque that violated separation of church and state in our school #firstworldchristianproblems

    A kid in my Sunday School class doesn’t completely accept everything I say #firstworldchristianproblems

    I am not a creationist, but because I still think God meddled with human evolution, the atheists still are laughing at me #firstworldchristianproblems

    My wife stopped me from indoctrinating my son when he was a toddler, and now that he is 7, it might be too late! #firstworldchristianproblems

    Not every politician is Christian! We’re all doomed #firstworldchristianproblems

    Tell gays they are abominable and going to hell = Love. Tell Christians they aren’t persecuted = HATE! Why does no one understand? #firstworldchristianproblems

    Teaching evolution in school? Y u no teach the Bible too? #firstworldchristianproblems

    My comparative religion class didn’t sufficiently imply that Christianity was the superior religion #firstworldchristianproblems

    Said that Hinduism was demon worship, and someone said that doing so was rude and dismissive! #firstworldchristianproblems

    Can’t get my congregation to give 10% of their income for getting the privilege of listening to me talk about God for an hour #firstworldchristianproblems

    I told someone that their misfortune was all part of God’s plan and they weren’t comforted by that #firstworldchristianproblems

    Someone at church argued with me about what constitutes a True Christian! #firstworldchristianproblems

    Said that only Christianity gives meaning to life. Someone asked what that meaning is. FFFFFUUUUU #firstworldchristianproblems

  • otrame

    I have nothing against masturbation, per se (smirk–absolutely nothing against it). But I admit to being squicked by the fapfapfap I could hear while reading the comment in the OP. Personally, fantasies about being mistreated for my religious beliefs don’t make me hot as they obviously do for that commenter. I mean, ewwwwww.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/Erulora Erülóra Maikalambe

      I have nothing against masturbation, per se

      Me neither, when it’s done in private or shared with interested parties. But sticking mental masturbation like this out in the public where an unsuspecting audience might see it? Not cool.

  • Michaelyn

    You’ll be having unmarried sex tonight? Interesting…

    @Kaoru:
    Those teachers are telling my kids that evolution was real when it’s just a theory! #firstworldchristianproblems

  • Randomfactor

    Like masturbating without the fun

    So stealing this.

    • http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd JT Eberhard

      I’d be flattered.

  • baal

    It takes a person with a lot of bravery to sit down and know that becoming a Christian you will be hated by 95% of the people on this earth,

    vs
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/18/25000-signatures-for-alexander-aan/

    There are xtians abducted and held for ransom or actually persecuted (cf syria, copts etal). Those cases don’t arise nearly as often as the Alexander Aans and Sanal Edamaruku. French magazines get fire bombed for drawing the big Mo. Let’s keep an eye on who is actually getting jailed or killed vs having people look at them funny for denying reality (evolution, sea rising, condoms reducing abortions (shocking right, totally true) but not overall birth rates etc.

  • petejohn

    And of course there’s this nugget:

    I know that you will be stating in your next post on here that I am a retard

    Emphasis mine.

    First of all, I find it very rude of this Christian fellow (who is supposed to love everyone, according to liberal Christians) to use such a demeaning term. In this case he’s using retard as a synonym for stupid, which reinforces a rather nasty stereotype that people with developmental and intellectual disabilities are also stupid. Which is false… work with some of these people and you’ll be shocked of what they’re capable of achieving. So I personally won’t call this guy a retard, but I will say he’s rather wrong on pretty much everything here.

    And aside from that, this guy is prepping himself to be seen as a martyr. Just can’t wait for it in fact. He wants to be called out on his beliefs so he can go off and gloat about how mean those nasty atheists were to him, and how his faith is under such egregious assault. Well, guess what buddy… Yes, it’s true there are places in the world where being a Christian isn’t the safest proposition. But there are 2+ billion, yes, billion (with a “b”) people in the world who claim to be Christians. 2+ billion. So if all of the religions of the world joined together for a big fist fight, you all would win on account of the fact that you outnumber everyone by a truckload.^ So this persecution complex is really quite absurd. So stop.

    ^(if they didn’t start battering each other over whether or not the real center of the church is Istanbul or Rome, or if they didn’t start battering each other over whether or not the bread really turns into Jesus or not, or start battering the Mormons for trying to join in on the Christian side, or any of the other ridiculous split hairs that have turned Christians on Christians over the centuries)


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