After reading through dad’s soft, emotionless backhand earlier, I was reminded of a line from First Blood: “Don’t push it or I’ll give you a war you won’t believe. Let it go.”
But Dan couldn’t let it go.
@John -If you would have took the time to look at the link you provided it is accurate in all parts. The unborn takes on features long before 12 weeks. If you had took time to actually look at the photos this is close to the 9 week old unborn. Although you did not address and answer my question I assume you would have no problem with abortion of unborn at this time frame of pregnancy. The photo is to show all ,what an unborn baby looks like at 12 weeks. That is what I did. We had a discussion back around Aug. 15th which I told you of this photo on my page which you said you would like to see. This was not to taunt you ,I re-posted for you never replied to the picture or my original question.It does not look like a “cluster of cells” as what you described abortions looked like in our other discussion. After seeing the picture ,my question was would you have a problem with aborting this stage of pregnancy??? Without throwing back all the ugly words one at a time. I will say for you to have the views that you are so proud of I feel you are far more deserving of the ugly words you spew out of your mouth. The ugly words seem from my view point to come from a very dark place deep within your soul. While not going as far to say it myself, a quote from Mr. T seems to come to mind while thinking of a reply to you. I’m sure your smart enough to google or ask someone about Mr.T ‘s famous quotes . You are about the lowest of low to be so proud and so wrong. So wrong I would not know where to start.You will not understand ,but I hope I’m not in line behind you when we get to the pearly gates for St. Peter may have a lot of questions for you.In many of your other posts you have made fun of Christians and name called those that pray & believe in God. You have even used quotes of the Bible to twist Gods word. I feel it is only right to tell you that the Bible strongly warns against doing so. Just sayin! I have a totally opposite view of life and my children and their births and an opposite view of God and for that I’m proud !
Dan fired another one out right afterward.
John in your above message to me one line you wrote stands out.
The line you said- “Do whatever emotions got stirred for me when my babies took a dump give me a right to direct what you do with your colon?” This would make some think by reading this that you have some real serious issues. Just wondering have you ever been psychiatric evaluated or on psychiatric medication or are you off them now?
Well, Dan called down the thunder and he got it.
“We had a discussion back around Aug. 15th which I told you of this photo on my page which you said you would like to see.’ No, Dan. That is not true. I told you at the time I hadn’t gone to your site and I wasn’t interested in seeing your photo.
But, you wouldn’t let it go at that. As I told you before, when you push me, I will push back.
“This was not to taunt you …” I don’t believe you. I made it quite clear that I wasn’t interested.
“…I re-posted for you never replied to the picture” I told you I wasn’t interested in looking at your picture. One of the reasons was because 88% of abortions are done before 8 weeks. Only 7% of abortions are done in the 12 week area……why would you post a “picture” of a 12 week fetus when it is not representative of most abortions, but only of a small percentage? I’ll tell you why: to mislead. Because your zeal makes you think you can mislead and lie. Because your certainty of your own infallible rightness lets you believe the end justifies the means, and that truth and accuracy don’t matter.
“…. or my original question.” Newsflash, Dan….I’m not your answer boy. Just because you choose to ask a question doesn’t obligate me to answer it.
“-If you would have took the time to look at the link you provided it is accurate in all parts.” NO, Dan, it isn’t. The features and limbs are much more refined than at that age and real fetuses have umbilical cords.
Isn’t this where you admit your picture of a fetus isn’t a picture of a fetus, but instead is a picture of a sculpture?
“It does not look like a “cluster of cells” as what you described abortions looked like in our other discussion.” There are stages where embryos look like a cluster of cells. As I mentioned before, there are stages where you can’t differentiate it from the period at the end of this sentence.
“If you had took time to actually look at the photos this is close to the 9 week old unborn.” Bullshit, Dan. Here is a picture of a 9 week old fetus:
Please don’t consistently lie and then pretend to the moral high ground. That is hypocrisy.
“The ugly words seem from my view point to come from a very dark place deep within your soul.” Of course they do, Dan. I suspect that is true of everyone who doesn’t buy what you are selling. But, I’ll tell you what: I don’t lie, and I’m not so gullible that I can’t tell that a photo of an embryo without an umbilical cord isn’t a photo of an embryo at all.
“You are about the lowest of low to be so proud and so wrong.” That is a pretty funny joke coming from someone whose hubris makes him think he has the right to make decisions for every woman about how she will treat her own body. You’re the one who is proud and wrong,Dan. You have no right to make any woman’s medical decisions. None.
“You will not understand ,but I hope I’m not in line behind you when we get to the pearly gates for St. Peter may have a lot of questions for you.” Your 2,000 year old bronze age mythology intimidates me about as much as Allah or Odin intimidate you. Threatening an atheist with bronze age mythology is just plain silly.
“You have even used quotes of the Bible to twist Gods word.” You would be positive of this because out of the over 33,000 sects of christianity, Dan’s preferred version is the one that has it all dead right. You should read what the Babble has to say about abortion and fetuses. American evangelicals, meanwhile, widely opposed the idea that life begins at conception until the 1970s, with some even advocating looser abortion laws based on their reading of the Bible before then.
“I feel it is only right to tell you that the Bible strongly warns against doing so.” That intimidates me about as much as something in the Koran or the Vedas would intimidate you.
“I have a totally opposite view of life and my children and their births and an opposite view of God and for that I’m proud!” I’m proud that I use reason and evidence instead of blindly following indoctrination.
” This would make some think by reading this that you have some real serious issues.” I can see where you would think that…I was goofy enough to use the same type of “reasoning” as you used to justify owning the body of every woman. That is enough to make one think a person has “some real serious issues”.
Again, Dan couldn’t let it go. After just getting pummeled and being shown that he has neither evidence, facts, logic, nor reason with which to support his side of the issue, like a boxer on the ropes with his last gasp Dan takes a wild roundhouse swing: “I’ll pray for you!”
Dan does so as it is always done; with condescending arrogance designed to make you feel inferior that says, “Not only am I right and you are wrong, but I am a better person than you” or “You obviously can’t take care of (fill in the blank) yourself, and God won’t help you on his own, so I’ll ask since he listens to me more.” It is a Christian’s passive-aggressive way (or a passive-aggressive Christian’s way) of putting you down. For people who think prayer is beautiful, this is so frequently the best light believers can think of in which to display prayer to the godless.
John you are truly a piece of work. Android at best. To not know life even if you see it in your own links showing proof of the unborn already taking the human form (much more than cluster of cells)you TRY to prove me wrong with.Your words & view of God and Christians is pure “evil”. Reading your posts makes me feel the evil.To remove the evil I feel from reading your words, I will read a few verses of the Bible and pray tonight and hope that someday you find God before it’s to late.
When some Christian is informing you how wretched you are before staring you in the face to say “But I’ll pray for you,” how do you react? This is how dad reacted…
When the best you can do is to call me names, use mythological threats, and offer gratuitous insults, it is obvious you have an indefensible position…otherwise, you would defend it.
“I will read a few verses of the Bible and pray tonight and hope that someday you find God before it’s to late.” I will read a chapter of Harry Potter, sleep peacefully and well, and will rub my lucky rabbits foot for you in return for your hope for me,while hoping you someday shake the shackles of your brainwashed indoctrination.
You seem to have a real hang up with my phrase “cluster of cells”. You must be in favor of embryonic stem cell research because the embryonic stem cells look exactly like a “cluster of cells” because….well, that is exactly what they are. Right?
Here are photos of fetal development. Anything up to 4 weeks resembles a cluster of cells. http://www.ehd.org/prenatal-images-index.php
55% of abortions are younger than 7 weeks. Another 22% are at 7-8 weeks. That is 77%. However, in your drive to mislead, you post a picture of a sculpture–not a fetus— that is much more defined than at 12 weeks, where only 7% of the abortions actually occur.
That kind of makes you an end justifies the means liar, Dan.
Of course, there are abortion pills available. Okay with you if they are taken, oh, say…..2 weeks after conception, when the fetus looks like nothing but a cluster of cells? See http://www.ehd.org/prenatal-images-index.php
I’m curious, Dan….What excuse do you use for not working hard to promote broad based sex education and readily available free contraception to decrease unplanned pregnancies in the first place? If you are really so against abortions, isn’t this an effective way to decrease them? If you are really pro-life, you don’t want women dying from back room abortions do you? Surely you aren’t so blind as to not realize if abortion is illegal that is what will happen.
What gives you the right to make personal medical decisions for every woman?
“To not know life even if you see it…” I damn sure know it when it walks around wearing a dress. Too bad you don’t. Too bad you think the rights of the developing are more important than the rights of the developed.
By the way, it is time you admitted your photo of a “baby” is not a photo of a baby. It is not a photo of a fetus. It is a photo of a sculpture that was done to represent an inaccurate idea of what a fetus looks like at 12 weeks. It was done by the sculptor and spread by people like you to evoke an emotional response in lieu of rational discussion of the issue and seeking a variety of ways to decrease the incidence of abortion. Again: this isn’t about abortion, because you aren’t doing the obvious simple,easy, and EFFECTIVE things to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. It is about control and making sure everyone is subjected to your narrowminded version of “god’s will”.
Will it change Dan? Nah. Not immediately, anyway. But there are onlookers, and I think most of them will know on some level, even if they love the bible, that Dan is getting the ever-loving shit kicked out of him here, not because he’s a poor debater, but because his position is indefensible and dishonest.
And given some time, I’ll bet Dan will know it too.