Allen Knight is a terrible person

Allen Knight, you do not get to lecture anybody on morality.  You are a terrible person, and your faith, which you assure us makes people more moral, has done nothing to rescue you.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • steve84

    I never understood why “godfearing” is supposed to be something good

    • mywall

      Remember who’s saying it. It’s just a layer of linguistic nonsense on top of the many layers of mythological hogwash.

    • http://www.atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine (I feel safe and welcome at FTB)

      Ditto.

      What’s ironic, is that this concept of morality he has – being good because you fear the consequences, is pretty much the single most primitive form of morality.

      This man literally has the moral development of a 5 year old.

      • anteprepro

        Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development:
        [Children]
        1. “It’s morally wrong because I will be punished”
        2. “It’s morally right because doing it benefits me”
        [Adolescents]
        3. “It’s morally right because people believe its morally right and I want people to think I’m moral”
        4. “It’s morally right because it allows for a properly functioning society”
        [Adults]
        5. “It’s morally right if it provides for the greatest good for the greatest number”

        Fundies’ Stages of Objective Morality ™:
        [Adorable Pre-converts]
        1. “It’s morally wrong because people will punish me”
        [True Believers]
        2. “It’s morally wrong because Jesus will punish me”

      • Rob

        Not to mention that he implies that there should be some form of swift ‘justice’ (my emphasis) that results in a punishment that is more meaningful than prison.

        This young man will die of old age before he is punished. This sends a signal to other wannabes that prison is the worst thing they can expect for similar acts.

        What exactly would he propose be done I wonder? Drag a mentally ill person out the back of the courthouse and hang them, on the basis that we all know he’s guilty? Bring back some form of old testament punishment?

        I think I find people like that scarier than paranoid schizophrenics.

    • kagekiri

      Being “God-fearing” signals that you’ll be easier to manipulate without having to expend any effort beyond saying “God said so!”

  • athyco

    Isn’t there something about visually-impaired readers needing a transcript for a photo post? Here’s one just in case.

    The photo is of a newspaper page folded into quarters to show a letter to the editor entitled “Moral foundation.”

    TO THE EDITOR:
    The massacre in Aurora, Colo., was a tragedy and it highlights a problem within our nation.

    This great nation was established on the foundation of Christian principles. The founding fathers stated their beliefs in God, which is demonstrated in their subsequent individual writings.

    The blame for this tragedy can be squarely laid in the laps of our representatives in Washington, D.C. For over 50 years, Congress has done everything in its power to take God and moral instructions out of school and all public institutions. The Supreme Court has upheld this effort.

    Our young people have been deprived of every mode of moral instructions in our public school systems. They are taught no moral or ethnical [sic] standards of conduct in relationship to others in our public education system. Discipline is almost nonexistent and that leads the young antagonists to believe that they can get away with anything without penalty.

    The president may have been correct when he said that America is no longer a Christian nation. God has successfully been put “in the closet” and the homosexuals and abortionists have been brought out into mainstream acceptability. Ask any homosexual what he thinks of God’s status. Ask any abortionist to explain the value of human life. Drugs and pornography are also rampant throughout the nation.

    Watch the news programs as every aspect of this young man’s life is analyzed. This will be the mainstream subject for weeks. This young man will die of old age before he is punished. This sends a signal to other wannabes that prison is the worst thing they can expect for similar acts. When one has no moral foundations on which to stand, then anything is acceptable. The majority of parents are not responsible because they only have about one hour a week to spend for moral education.

    Until we begin electing God-fearing moral people to represent us, we can only expect to reap the harvest of what has been sown.

    Allen Knight
    Queen City, Texas

    • http://yetanotheratheist.com TerranRich

      It is always best practice for any website to have things like alt-tags for images (text that replaces the image in browsers for blind people, etc.), text descriptions of large images, layouts that aide people who use the Tab key to go from field to field (instead of using a regular mouse, which only non-blind people can do), etc. There should always be a text description of an image such as this, as one more than one occasion a visually-impaired visitor has already complained. Not sure if it was here or on Pharyngula, but it’s happened.

    • Emburii

      Thank you for the transcript, and for the thoughtfulness behind transliterating and posting it!

  • athyco

    Hmmmmm. There was an Allen Kight that graduated in Queen City, Texas in 1959. Perhaps this is a different guy, but maybe he’s now fuming that the paper misprinted his name on this fine, fine piece of…communication.

  • Lady Godfrey

    If the lack of religious teaching in public schools has led to the decline of of morality in America, then how bad a job are the churches and private religious schools doing? Perhaps the fault lies there.

  • didgen

    Even when I worked five shifts a week, twelve hr night shifts I managed far more than one hr a day with my child. Not to mention being a single parent, I can’t imagine leaving the teaching of morals up to the poor teachers. They had a hard enough time teaching everything else to 30+ kids.

  • http://www.atheistforums.org Jeremy

    Why is it that these assholes always claim that everything would be better if everyone were Christian, but fail to remember the miniscule 1500 fucking years where everyone in Europe was either Christian or a slave? Those were not good times. People slaughtered in muddy streets for arbitrary slights against the church or a priest, people burned alive, books being burned on a massive scale, piss on that. These idiots make me want to vomit.

  • callistacat

    “This great nation was established on the foundation of Christian principles. The founding fathers stated their beliefs in God, which is demonstrated in their subsequent individual writings.”
    Not quite:

    History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
    -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

    I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

    And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

    Snap!

  • Johnston

    Leah Libresco debate?

    • Rory

      How many more times would you like to be told that she hasn’t gotten back to JT?

      • Johnston

        LOL, sorry, didn’t see any previous replies – although I subscribed to comments. Sorry :)

      • Johnston

        Maybe this would be a good time for JT to write a new post about this.

  • Armored Scrum Object

    Am I being horribly uncharitable/strident/etc. in not being entirely sure that “ethnical standards of conduct” is a typo?

  • smrnda

    Yeah, back when Christianity was more dominant we had slavery, oppression of women and minorities, and shitloads more bad stuff. Along with crusades, killing women by accusing them of being witches, religion-sanctioned child abuse?

    And yeah, they have so much more violence in those godless, secular nations of Scandinavia and Europe. If anything, societies where religious belief is strong are backwards and violent.

  • F

    And oh my, yes, Congress has been working oh so damn hard to remove religion from state institutions. /headdesk

  • H.H.

    Religion is not something you can be reasoned into. You have to be scared into it. You have to be so fearful or desperate or traumatized that you’re willing to reach out to any promise of rescue, no matter how improbable. That’s why the Christian vultures circle around these national tragedies. They need to get people while they’re vulnerable and not thinking clearly.

  • icecreamassassin

    My favorite line is the ‘ask any abortionist to explain the value of human life’. Because a) ‘abortionist’ is probably the silliest label ever and b) I can only imagine what, in his head, he imagines the answer to be. Because *he* has clearly never asked an ‘abortionist’ that question.

    I honestly want to ask this guy to explain the value of human life. I imagine the answer would be disheartening.

  • http://www.facebook.com/park.james.102 parkjames

    This post is so full of fail it’s difficult to decide where to begin the criticism. It reads like a caricature of a wingnut: he calls out every right wing boogeyman he can in less than 500 words, and he’s from Texas! Wtf.

  • http://www.facebook.com/using.reason usingreason

    This great nation was established on the foundation of Christian principles. The founding fathers stated their beliefs in God, which is demonstrated in their subsequent individual writings.

    Yet not demonstrated at all in the founding documents themselves. If there was ever a time when you could have written a god into a founding document it was the 18th century in America; virtually everyone was a white christian of some sort. So why didn’t they if christian beliefs were so important to them?

    They are taught no moral or ethnical [sic] standards of conduct in relationship to others in our public education system.

    Who the fuck expects the school system to teach their children morals and ethics? Have you completely checked out as a parent? My kids didn’t misbehave at school because of any punishment a teacher might set for them; they behaved because I taught them to respect their teachers and other adults (and their is a bit of an ‘or else’ in there). I am tired, so tired, of people complaining that schools don’t teach morals and ethics; and it absolutely infuriates me every time I hear it.

    When one has no moral foundations on which to stand, then anything is acceptable.

    I guess he’s talking about his children that haven’t learned it at school, and he is to lazy to interact with enough to teach them himself. Maybe if he spent a little less time trying to save others souls he could raise his own children.

  • Arancaytar

    … abortionists?

    • Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven

      Yes. We openly doubt the existence of Bortion.


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