Dan takes the bottle of crazy and downs the whole thing.

And along we go.  Another commenter, Kevin, agreeing with my dad, entered the thread suggesting that in order to avoid more abortions, as Dan claims to want, that we should pass out birth control like Skittles.

Dan didn’t like that idea.

I disagree with passing out birth control pills like skittles to children (under 18) .The problem is moral decay in this country. People using abortion as birth control instead of being taught right from wrong at a young age . If more people read the Bible went to church and taught morals to their children many unwanted pregnancies could be avoided. The Christian family unit needs to be place in each home and morals developed from a young age.The anti-religious left teaching children that sex is OK and abortion is OK because it is legal is part of the problem of moral decay in America. Again I will not turn my back on my belief of God. I will not sit quiet and allow a few anti-religious groups change laws and promote their agenda with no one standing up to them.As a Christian I will not sit back quietly and negotiate birth control to children as a way out or allow a few anti-God people change laws to promote a further decline in our morals and sink deeper as a nation into sin. To promote sex education that teaches that sex is OK for young children and passing out condoms to teenagers and birth control pills to teenage girls is part of the moral decay and wrong. Education to teenagers needs to be done alright to teach morals to those that don’t have any taught at home. Murder of the baby is not a solution to any ones problem.It is a brawl as Kevin stated that I’m willing to take to defend my belief that abortion is wrong. As a Christian I will stand up for the unborn & vote for leaders that will bring morals back to this country . You can not choose just to not believe in God,by doing so you accept Satan.Without God you open yourself up to satan to take control of your life and soul. Again John you loose!

Look at this man.  Whether you’re an atheist or a Christian, take a good look at him and ask yourself if his faith has helped him to be better, has been meaningless, or has contributed to this by assuring Dan that god has his back regardless of where the evidence lies.  The answer could not be more obvious.  No person holds a religious faith that is friendly to the evidence.  Combine it with certainty and sometimes you get Dan.  Sometimes you get the Taliban.

Faith is a bad thing.  It produces unreasonable people.

Dad continued.

Well, there you go Kevin. Practical and workable solutions to decreasing abortions mean nothing to the morality police who insist on forcing their narrow minded beliefs down everyone’s throat. This is a great example of what the Gnus aretalking about and are afraid of. Total disregard for the rights of others and the default solution to everything is their god and the Babble…..especially their narrow and preferred view of them.

Dan says “The problem is moral decay in this country”, and his solution to that is to make everyone kowtow to his definition of what is moral, with absolutely no regard to constitutional rights or the separation of church and state.

That kind of self-righteous certainty and assumption of the right to impose it on others is un-American. It is the ranting of the Christian Taliban.
I repeat my earlier statement, and thank Dan for verifying it as accurate: “If, instead, you want to force your narrow minded moral views on to other people by using the government and the law as a cudgel, then you do……exactly what you are doing. Let’s don’t kid ourselves this is about abortion: this is about forcing your screwed up religious need to punish sex and to control women onto people who don’t kowtow to you.” If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be using such a piss poor way of stopping abortions, but instead using practical methods that have been proven to work.”

Dan you say ” If more people read the Bible went to church and taught morals to their children many unwanted pregnancies could be avoided.” I say “Bullshit!” Not that it matters to you, Dan, because it is factual information, but here is why:

A new Gallup poll of 350,000 Americans breaks down the importance of religion on a state by state basis. The question asked was whether religion was an important part of their daily lives.The top 4 most religious states were Mississippi (85%), Alabama (82%), South Carolina (80%), and Tennessee (79%). Arkansas was 6th with 78%. The top 4 least religious states were Vermont (42%), New Hampshire (46%), Maine (48%), and Massachusetts (48%). In fact, those were the only four that were below 50% in saying that religion was important in their daily lives.

Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee all rank among the 11 highest states for rates of divorce with rates from 5.7 to 6.6 per 1000; South Carolina is 19th with a rate of 4.2. Arkansas made # 50 with 7.1, beaten only by Nevada.

Massachusetts had the lowest divorce rate in the nation at 2.4 per 1000, Maine 4.4, New Hampshire 4.4, and Vermont 4.0.

How about out of wedlock births? The most recent data I could find easily shows for the most religious states:

Mississippi: 45.5%
South Carolina: 38.7%
Tennessee: 34.9%
Alabama: 34.1%

And the least religious states:

New Hampshire: 24.1%
Massachusetts: 26.1%
Vermont: 28%
Maine: 30.6%

And finally, teen pregnancy, where all of the most religious states are in the top 10:

Mississippi: 20.9%
Alabama: 17.1%
South Carolina: 16.0%
Tennessee: 15.9%

And all of the least religious states are in the bottom 10:

Massachusetts 7.2%
New Hampshire 7.7%
Vermont 7.9%
Maine 9.8%

Does this prove that religion causes those bad things? No. But it does make a pretty strong case against the constant claims of the religious right that religion is the answer to these problems. In the context of this discussion, the teen pregnancy numbers should be of specific interest to you.

Recall that Dan wanted this.  Dan begged for this even when dad was turning the other cheek.  This is why I like debating religious people; they’re so sure god has they’re back that they’ll go to battle with a toothpick thinking they’re invincible.

And this is what Dan has been reduced to…

Your numbers and percentile to states could be used to paint whatever you want without taking into account poverty levels in those states with the higher rate of unwed or abortion percent. Again to play the blame game on religion is what you do. Economic factors in those states would also have to be taken into account. You trying to claim it is religion that causes this problem is wrong again and proves that you, while android by nature think that twisting facts & numbers without all variables of race ,economic factors,and education level,does not make you right.You seem to have left those variables all out. Race seems to change all polls taken being that Blacks have larger % of unwed births followed by Latinos then whites. John you being a fact man it seems your point is flawed by not including these other variables into your states claim.The numbers do not also prove that those pregnancies all were from religious homes or divorce was from all religious couples.

Dad responded.

Why, Dan, you are foaming at the mouth so hard it is messing up your reading comprehension. How could you possibly have missed what I said at the bottom: “Does this prove that religion causes those bad things? No. But it does make a pretty strong case against the constant claims of the religious right that religion is the answer to these problems”

Yet you say, “Again to play the blame game on religion is what you do.”

Facts, evidence, and what is actually said doesn’t matter at all to you. You are in full fledged “Christian victim” mode and all you can do is build straw men to attack, evade solution seeking, and rant about why America should be a theocracy headed by your version of the Christian Taliban. And name call and insult me with your good Christian love, of course.

You say “The numbers do not also prove that those pregnancies all were from religious homes or divorce was from all religious couples.” Another straw man you created. I never claimed that it did. All I claimed was “it does make a pretty strong case against the constant claims of the religious right that religion is the answer to these problems”. I didn’t say religion was the cause…but you did say religion was the solution. These numbers show you are likely wrong.

Dan, I read your statement “If more people read the Bible went to church and taught morals to their children many unwanted pregnancies could be avoided.” I don’t agree, but even if it were true, So what? Are you suggesting the only way to prevent unwanted pregnancies is to force people to read the bible and go to church? If not, then what do you suggest be done to prevent unwanted pregnancies? If yes, how do you accomplish that exactly by any means other than using the government as a proselytizing and enforcement arm for your religion?

Dan, still frothing, can’t get away from it.  To an extent, I sympathize.  I, too, am passionate about my ideas, and about making the world a better place.  But when you uncouple that from a passion to evaluate evidence and a willingness to accept that sometimes you will be wrong, you wind up only caring that your present beliefs are defended to the death so you can be “right.”  This makes a case for sympathy out of what could’ve been admirable passion.

You did contradict yourself in your question at the bottom of your rant above. Your entire rant was to paint it all religious. You out smart yourself. You only see what you want to see in my posts and always leave out and never include anything that would prove you flawed. You did not address the variables I mentioned that would flaw your self proclaimed right results.

You are the one with the attacks against Christians and I for one will never “kowtow” to you or your anti-God campaign or polish your ego as your atheist friends do to you and each other.You are wrong in your belief of anti-God views.You are wrong on your beliefs of Christians.You are wrong about abortion and you and other atheist will all be wrong in the end. I will continue to stand up for my faith and my God. Many more are beginning to also stand up and confront anti-God groups and their agenda. In the end you and your atheist friends all loose. To be as smart as you claim to be, and so lacking with all that knowledge of facts,numbers,& books you can’t understand the easiest gift to man from God.That is sad for you. It is so easy to accept God into your life and become saved . To view life as a miracle from God instead of have a bitter view as you do.

Father has decided that he’s done everything he can with this, I reckon.  Most people will see what has become of Dan and, if they’re honest, will conclude that faith helped get him to this point.

My father’s last.

You said “You did contradict yourself in your question at the bottom of your rant above. Your entire rant was to paint it all religious.”

I actually provided you the exact quotes of what we both said. In spite of that, you ignore what was actually said, and insist that whatever fantasy you have running in your head is real instead of the black letters on the white screen.

You are delusional.

You have been shown but cannot admit your photo is not of either a baby or a fetus but is of a sculpture….a doll. I have provided links to photos and drawings of fetal development for you, yet you still insist the resin doll in your picture is representative of a 9 week old fetus. It isn’t. You don’t believe the evidence of your own eyes, or you didn’t bother to look because you can’t admit you are wrong.

You are delusional.

And you are raving.

What a sad man.  And all he’d have to do is let go of faith.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.


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