Agatha defends the Salvation Army.

Agatha (real name changed) studied at a theological seminary and did not care for what my dad said to the Salvation Army bell-ringer the other day.  She came onto my facebook to let me know.

Sad. Bell ringers are low income paid employees or volunteers. I hope that man who feels so good about saying things to a minimum wage worker really does give to some organization that feeds and clothes those who are poor.

I responded…

Agatha,

One; the bell-ringer opened the door. I don’t see how you can get mad at my dad for walking through it.

Two; there are lots of organizations that feed and clothe the poor. Not all of them take some of the money with which they could be feeding and clothing the poor and instead use it to obstruct the rights of good people.

Ditch that shitty organization.

Unconvinced, Agatha came back…with the same crap argument, but with more twisting of words and implicit accusations of me lacking compassion.

I guess I’m a religionist and I guess I do trip over myself to help “those” people. Sad. Yes there are lots of organizations that help the poor but not enough. Try finding a place for a homeless person to stay on a cold night like I’ve done many times and you will see. And I never ask sexual orientation, although they tell me sometimes. If a person is cold or hungry, it’s just not relevant. Okay, you want to get rid of the Salvation Army. Unless someone takes their place, those people you guys are trying to protect will go without even more. Hate me if you want. Your dad did nothing wrong walking through a door and the man did nothing wrong opening and trying too get donations, which he was probably paid to do. He is no more evil than people working for politicians and trying to get voters out for their candidates around election time. Most of those really didn’t care. They were just working and getting paid.

Couldn’t quite let her get away with that.

Agatha,

” Try finding a place for a homeless person to stay on a cold night like I’ve done many times and you will see.”

You act like we have no empathy for the poor. That’s absolutely silly on your part. We care for the poor, but we *also* care for groups that face discrimination for no good reason (though often under the banner of “love” from Christians). That’s why we donate to help the poor, but NOT to the Salvation Army.

“If a person is cold or hungry, it’s just not relevant.”

This is why you should have severe problems with the Salvation Army. Instead of using large chunks of their money on caring for the cold and/or hungry, they use it to keep LGBT people as second class citizens. If sexual orientation doesn’t matter, then you should be on our side, not theirs.

“Okay, you want to get rid of the Salvation Army. Unless someone takes their place, those people you guys are trying to protect will go without even more.”

That’s why people like my dad, instead of donating to the SA, send their dollars where all of them will be used to take care of the needy. If other organizations use more of their donations on the poor, and less on relegating a certain segment of the population to the role of second-class citizens, then common sense would tell you that more homeless people would be taken care of if only everybody ditched the SA in favor of another charity. And you want more homeless people to be taken care of, don’t you?

“Hate me if you want.”

I don’t hate you (yet). I just think your reasoning is not good at all (and I also think your reading comprehension when evaluating what other people have said also needs some work).

“Your dad did nothing wrong walking through a door and the man did nothing wrong opening and trying too get donations, which he was probably paid to do. He is no more evil than people working for politicians and trying to get voters out for their candidates around election time. Most of those really didn’t care. They were just working and getting paid.”

This is debatable. After all, if someone was working for, say, the KKK, you likely wouldn’t absolve them with the admonition that they were “just getting paid.”

Anyway, he was wrong about angels getting their wings, and my dad was perfectly entitled to continue the conversation that the bell-ringer started.

Just a regular day in the life.

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About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.


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