Things believers say vs Things believers do

DrB-

In the same notion as “Do True Believers™ wear seatbelts?”….what else are they up to?

Consider, if you are a True Believer™ you trust fully in your God’s protection. After all, this comes up every school shooting:

If only God was around to do what he promises:

Psalm 23:1-4 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.  He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.  He restores my soul.  He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.  Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

2Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful. He will establish you and guard you against the evil one.

Isaiah 41:10  fear not, for I am with you;

Isaiah 54:17   no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed,

Psalm 91:1-3   He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.  I will say to the LORD, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”  For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.

Psalm 121:7-8   The LORD will keep you from all evil; he will keep your life

2Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom.

Psalm 138:7  Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life; you stretch out your hand against the wrath of my enemies,

 

So, a person under God’s protection racket is safe from evil, all weapons, snare’s of fowlers, pestilence, and the wrath of their enemies. That’s a pretty slick deal, all for the low price of a lifetime of groveling and 10% to God’s henchmen.

So, how could we expect a True Believer™ to act, given their belief in promised divine protection?

The Arkansas House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a measure that would allow concealed guns to be carried in churches and houses of worship, and the governor’s office says it plans to sign the bill.

“A person should be allowed to carry a firearm in a church that permits the carrying of a firearm for personal security,” the bill reads.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/05/arkansas-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-churches/

Well, they’d arm themselves to the teeth of course! The faithful can pray with their pistol, and sing with their sawed off.  This is not the action of people who actually believe what they profess.

Every time the True Believer™ finds themselves in need, they immediately go straight to the only thing that actually works: Relying on themselves, and other humans.  Prayer doesn’t work, and they know it.


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  • iknklast

    Of ourse, when you bring up things like this, they always have an excuse: “The Lord helps them who help themselves” is a favorite, usually while they’re busy “helping themselves” to goodies the rest of us don’t get. “The Lord works in mysterious ways” or “is unknowable” are more favorites. But sooner or later, they always pull out “free will”. The question I have for them is, how can you be sure that a world with free will and evil is a better world than a world with only the illusion of free will and no evil?

    A believer really can’t answer this coherently, because they don’t know. They just pulled it out of their ass in the hope of shutting you up. Since we don’t know both types of world, of course, they can postulate what they want, and you can’t change their minds. It’s Gods “Get out of Jail Free” Card.

    • Karen

      All i can say is that you are blind indeed to the word of God and that you can put the words that are written on computer; but to know and to serve a God on high is sur totaly much, much different than saying words thar are empty. and your words about the true belivers is but only vain words, these words that you have written about Our God is written down in a book that ca not be taken out now, so mt advise to you little one is to way you words and think before you say anything about My God………………………..!

      • Glodson

        All i can say is that you are blind indeed to the word of God and that you can put the words that are written on computer; but to know and to serve a God on high is sur totaly much, much different than saying words thar are empty.

        God got high? Well, this certainly explains why we created us with an organ that only has the function of exploding from time to time since the advent of agriculture.

        And we can’t whip out god’s words now? Why? So no one should quote the Bible? I can live with that.

      • baal

        Karen, I am trying to read your post with charity but the grammar prevents me from doing so. I think, however, that you’re trying to say that doctorburger takes god’s word out of context. You’d be wrong. The problem here is that a false christian has put satan’s version of god on a t-shirt and doctorburger has shown the true words of god do not fit nicely on a t-shirt. Please go be angry at the t-shirt maker who is false to god and not doctorburger.

  • Glodson

    Yes, but then there’s Luke 22:36.

    hen said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    Part of the problem is that the Bible is full of contradictions. It is full of plot holes and problems. Believers can easily counter these, just like the fan of any fiction with plot holes.

    Every time the True Believer™ finds themselves in need, they immediately go straight to the only thing that actually works: Relying on themselves, and other humans.

    Like many, I was a believer. And they’ll always reconcile this as it being a part of god’s plan or will, or saying that prayers are answered through the efforts of others, or that Jesus only helps those who help themselves.

  • Glodson

    Yes, but then there’s Luke 22:36.

    hen said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    Part of the problem is that the Bible is full of contradictions. It is full of plot holes and problems. Believers can easily counter these, just like the fan of any fiction with plot holes.

    Every time the True Believer™ finds themselves in need, they immediately go straight to the only thing that actually works: Relying on themselves, and other humans.

    Like many, I was a believer. And they’ll always reconcile this as it being a part of god’s plan or will, or saying that prayers are answered through the efforts of others, or that Jesus only helps those who help themselves.

  • unbound

    Actually, that t-shirt was conveniently missing in the 7 killed, 3 wounded mass shooting at Oikos University last year. Can’t really claim wasn’t allowed in that school (Korean Christian school). So selective memory is another, rather key attribute of most believers as well (not just on this subject, but most miracles and where/how god intervenes).

    • Karen

      There are many ways that a person with or without knowledge can inturpet the word of God, and the killings of children is one way that my God has to filling his kingdom, because people like you and so many others does not rightfully devide the bible as it should be. when you become as umble as a little child and get on your knees and cry and i mean cry with real tears and reach the thrown of God then He can teach you about His Pressious Plan the ways of him and there would be no more critizing about God’s plan, because it’s not to be argured over and his ways will stand when this old world is on fire! AND That is something that I myself wont’s no part off. but only to those that disobay his word. for the time of God’s wrath will be poured upon the disobedient, and it will happen. and just maybe you and your followers can be friends in HELL TOGETHER bighting and nashing of teeth, who’s your friend down there if I may say NO ONE, NO ONE. you will be like a worm that never dies. you will roll, and cry for mercy, and cry for help, and no one will here you but your self. unless God change’s your heart for the better my dear friend you are doomed. look up doomed. look up the mark of the Beast. Rev. chap. 13 ver-10 thru 18.

      • Glodson

        Ah! We’re being attacked with word salad! The humanity! The humanity!

      • DaveL

        you will be like a worm that never dies. you will roll, and cry for mercy, and cry for help

        Clearly you know some far more talented worms than I do.

        • Glodson

          Hey, you will cry like worms in hell with your friends in hell because god loves you.

      • Brad1990

        Seriosuly, the bad spelling, the complete lack of grammar, syntax and coherence; the random capitals, the hilariously stereotypical godbotting, bible-thumping, xian sentiments… I was sure your first post was a joke. Apparently not.

        • tubi

          Meh, I still can’t tell. It’s either a real mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging dimwit or else an excellent parody of same.

      • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

        Tell me more about how much your wonderful God of peace loves us and how horribly He’s going to hurt us if we don’t love Him back.

  • http://counterapologist.blogspot.com Counter Apologist

    You clearly don’t understand sophisticated American Christian Theology. After Jesus dictated the second Amendment to our Founding Fathers he explained that the holy spirit inhabits the firearm of every American believer. So there’s no real contradiction in those verses you see…

  • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Dear God, Why do you allow so much violence in schools? Signed, a Concerned Student.
    Dear Concerned Student, I’m not allowed in schools. Signed, God.
    Dear God, Then why did you allow so much violence in a movie theater and a mall?

    • Glodson

      Dear Impotent God, how about all those flagrant violations of the Establishment Clause that is supposed to keep you out of schools? Also, are you not allowed in church either?

    • Andrew Kohler

      Apparently the person who made this deplorable shirt considers God’s powers of protection to be less potent than the Establishment Clause, school board policies, etc. I wonder if the designer thought of this; more likely (s)he was too busy being passive aggressive for such consideration.

      • Glodson

        I would also like to ask why there seems to be more violence in the US than in some more secular countries….

      • Brad1990

        Exactly. Omnipotent my arse.

        • Glodson

          Maybe omni-impotent ?

  • Kodie

    Say even if god wasn’t allowed in school, and he had to obey human laws, he could stop the shooters outside of school, but doesn’t. They blame people for denying god access, but he invented access. The signs said guns weren’t allowed in school either, but that doesn’t stop someone intent on bringing guns. Is god not even as powerful as a human being to disobey laws and signs?

    Anything to defend their impotent god makes them look ridiculous. If they want armed guards or armed teachers rather than fighting the law that prohibits the school from teaching about god, then they are admitting god doesn’t protect anyone. Even when they try to use the law to retain signs that proclaim their religion over another, they are admitting the sign has more power than god. An inanimate man-made sign, or a cross, or a tradition, is more powerful than the eternal omnipotent deity. Without that sign or that cross or a tradition, people would not feel this imaginary power that they rely on until it fails. Then that god is driven away by people’s failure to idolize him in human language, or symbol, or ritual. Superstitious people have every excuse that their lucky charm works except when it doesn’t, they blame the conditions. I can’t believe these people demand respect for their beliefs and just want to be left alone and not challenged. How embarrassing it must be to be so attached to basically a security blanket, like a toddler.


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