A Modest Question

Yesterday on Twitter and Facebook I asked this question:

Do you think it’s possible to “redeem” the idea of modesty? Or has rape culture rendered it useless/harmful?

The responses were just wonderful. Here are some of them:

Leaning towards “not possible”:

Leaning towards “possible” with qualifications:

Finally, this iced Americano fueled string of tweets from Amy Martin:

Also see this post today by Rachel Held Evans over at Q Ideas. It clarifies a lot of the muddiness surrounding the modesty issue, especially from a biblical/Christian standpoint.

And stay tuned for our next Smokin’ Hot Conversation, posted by Melinda Cadwallader on this very topic from a slightly different angle, dropping Friday morning!

And feel free to add your answers to this question right here in the comments!

John Piper's Divine Wife-Beating & Three Things God's Wrath Cannot Be
An Amazing Genealogy of Jesus Infographic (and What It Means for XMas)
Love Fierce as the Grave...and Better than Death With Dignity
Why Christians Should be INSATIABLE Trick-or-Treaters [Andrew Arndt]
About Zach Hoag

Zach J. Hoag is a writer and missional minister from notoriously non-religious New England. He blogs here at Patheos and HuffPost Religion. His book, Nothing but the Blood: The Gospel According to Dexter, released in 2012. Most importantly he binge-watches TV dramas and plays in the snow with his family.

Find him on Twitter & Facebook!

  • MarkADemers

    Rachel Held Evans’ piece is a breath of fresh air, placing responsibility exactly where it belongs – on women to dress comfortably for the situation and culture, and for men to learn the difference between “attraction” and “lust” and accept responsibility for enjoying one and resisting the other.
    A number of years ago our youth pastor was working with teenage boys when the question came up: “How long can we look before we commit the sin of lust?”  (PAUSE: The boys had internalized the scripture assigning the responsibility to them, not the girl.  I wonder if that stuck with them as they’ve grown up …)  A grace-filled, honest, humorous discussion ensued.  The guys came up with “The Five Second Rule”.  Walking down the street, if you see a girl that makes you want to look (attraction), you have five seconds.  Look.  Enjoy.  Then turn away.  They decided that sin (lust) began at the sixth second.  And this essential addendum: No second looks.
    One other story: I recall one day jogging with my 18 year old daughter.  As we jogged I commented to her: “Gee, a lot more people look at me when I jog with you than when I jog alone.”
    And one more thought … Men must hold men accountable for the violence men do to women.  What she wore is never an excuse for violence against a woman.  What she said is never an excuse for violence against a woman.

  • http://zhoag.com/ zachhoag

    MarkADemers agreed all the way around. RHE absolutely nailed it with that post, and I love the youth group story. And yeah, the only person responsible/accountable in any situation like this is…me.