Don’t Throw Rocks – Mark Driscoll’s Humble Plea?

It’s been a busy week-or-so with Mark Driscoll news and content, but I wanted to share this video from his sermon last Sunday as a (hopefully) final entry in this saga, at least for a while. It is very likely that his sermon was referencing, at least in part, some of the controversy surrounding him and Mars Hill in recent days. Mark seemed to produce a tone of humility, and, in a different part of the sermon, even gave a very vague kind of apology.

In this segment, Driscoll drew out the phrase from James 3 that when it comes to those who teach and preach, “we all stumble.” So, don’t throw rocks:

Earlier this week, I asked if this might be the end of Mark’s pastoral ministry. I honestly still don’t know. But I resonate with commenters who would rather see Mark repentant and reformed (no, not that kind of Reformed) than see him disappear. In other words, the critique I and others are bringing are not rocks. They are not without compassion. They are not meant to kill.

Thus, Mark’s request here is basically true. But I wonder how he is using it. Is it a defensive maneuver, or is it a sincere plea concurrent with his own sincere contrition? Has Mark reached a level of “godly sorrow” over the many rocks that he has thrown, so that he is now able to ask the same of his hearers? Or is he making a one-sided request here – i.e., “Don’t throw rocks, so that I don’t have to face any consequences for wrong actions”?

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. 

One thing is at least clear to me. God loves Mark Driscoll. God loves him enough to correct him. And that correction, that critique, if listened to, would be able to bring Mark low enough to be lifted up again.

Honestly, I’m not holding my breath.

But it would truly be a good thing if his heart was humbled enough to hear the words, “Go and sin no more.”

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  • Nathan Smith

    nope – not buying it. There is vast difference between individuals in church families and people of influence and leadership. The scrutiny and accountability that need those in leadership undergo does not give them the option of rejoining the crowd once the criticism begins. If you courage and integrity, you’ll stay on the pedestal you ascended once the criticisms take their toll.

    It is just too convenient for those with vast influence to leave their pedestals and join the masses as if they were one of the crowd when the criticisms begin. It seems like in this video, there is an attempt to identify with the crowd now that some heavier criticisms have gained enough momentum – but Mark’s been pushing this stuff away for a long time and he’s thrown his fair share of stones as well.

    There should be all kinds of forgiveness and restoration available for a man like Mark, but not on his terms or in his timing. At this point, it’s all been on his terms and timing as far as I can tell.

    There are consequences that accompany forgiveness when restoration actually takes place as there was for the prodigal son.

  • Bryan Zug

    One of the reasons you are seeing so much come out is that there have been several MH leaders who’ve brought things up over the years and there seems to be incidents/rumors of repentance, only to have alarming things occur again and again and again.

    For example, I’ve included two excerpts from 2007 of Mark’s public statements repenting of pride and arrogance that seem very believable.

    And yet, many more alarming things continued to happen.

    Things that have been looked into and confirmed by many. Things that have been private but, becasue they have not been dealth with in a way that seems sincere to many faithful former leaders, are now coming into the light.

    At some point, it is a loving thing to call your brother (and other folks in senior leadership) on what seems to be a clear pattern of pseudo repentance.

    To many of us, it is unloving to not do so.

    – bz

    – Excerpts from the November 11, 2007 Sermon: The Rebel’s Guide to Joy in Humility –

    – Link to full transcript


    – Excerpt 1 –

    “I believe that humility is the great omission and failure in my 11 years of preaching. I believe that this is my greatest oversight, both in my example and in my instruction.”

    “I therefore do not claim to be humble. I do not claim to have been humble. I’m convicted of my pride and I am a man who is by God’s grace pursuing humility.”

    “And so in many ways, this is a sermon that I’m preaching at myself. This is a sermon that you’re welcome to listen in on as I preach to myself. But I truly believe that were there one thing I could do over in the history of Mars Hill, it would be in my attitude and in my actions and in my words, to not only emphasize sound doctrine and courage and strength and commitment and conviction, but to add in addition to that, humility as a virtue.”

    “And so I’ll start by [asking] your forgiveness and sincerely acknowledging that this has been a great failure.”

    “And I believe that it is showing up in our church in the lives of men and women who have sound doctrine, but not sound attitude – that they may contend for good things, but their motives are bad, and their methods are bad, and their tone is bad, and their tactics are bad, and their actions are bad because their attitude is bad, even though their objectives sometimes is good.”

    “I see this in particular with the men.”

    “I see this with men young and old – men who have known Jesus for a long time and should know better, and men who are new to Jesus and are learning sometimes the hard way.”

    “I will take some responsibility for this.”

    “Luke 6:40 says that when fully trained, disciples are like their teacher. And I am primary teaching pastor of this church, and I can’t simply look at the pride in some of our people and say that I am in no way responsible or complaisant.”

    “So I’m a guy who’s pretty busted up over this personally, and it really came to my attention last December, just in time for Christmas.”

    “The critics really brought me a lot of kind gifts of opposition and hatred and animosity. Merry Christmas. And some of those most vocal and nasty critics were Christian – some of them prominent Christians – and so I was getting ready to fire back my usual tactics.”

    “They hit you. You hit them twice and then blog about your victory, which I don’t have any verses for.”

    “I’m not saying it was a good idea, but it had been a pattern in my life until a man named C.J. Mahaney called.”

    ”He wrote a book called ‘Humility’. Much of my sermon today will be simply taken from his book. I would commend it to you all for reading. It’s a good, simple book. He’s a very humble, gracious and good man. Not humble. He’s a man pursuing humility. That’s what he would say. I need to get that right; otherwise he’ll call me this week.”

    “C.J. is a guy who pastored Covenant Life Church and handed it over. Runs the Sovereign Grace network. He called me up during these periods of criticism in December and said, ‘Mark, I know we don’t know one another. We have many mutual friends. How do you respond to these critics? What is your plan?’”

    “I said, ‘I don’t have a plan.’”

    “And he said, ‘Might I suggest that this is an opportunity for you to practice humility, grow in humility, learn humility – that perhaps God and his providential care for you has this season appointed to you for humility.’”

    “My first thought was, ‘Well I sure hope not. That sounds convicting.’”

    “And so as he talked, I really came to understand humility in a way that I had not prior.”

    “I had always considered humility to be a cowardice and a compromise.”

    “In the name of humility, you give up biblical conviction and passion and the willingness to contend for the faith, as Jude 3 says, and to fight false teaching in the name of humility.”

    “And what he was describing was orthodoxy and belief and humility and attitude, and that those two together are really what God desires. And so it got me thinking and studying and praying through pride and humility and repenting and learning and growing.”

    “And so I would start by saying that I thank my dear friend, C.J. Mahaney, for his ongoing friendship and the kindness he’s extended to me and the things I’ve been able to learn through his instruction.”

    “Furthermore, I apologize and repent publically to you, the church, for whom I am responsible for much pride in the history of my ministry that some of you have poorly imitated. And for that, I’m deeply sorry. And thirdly, to say that I am not a humble man. But as result of study, I’m a man who is acknowledging his pride and pursuing humility by God’s grace.

    – Excerpt 2 –

    “So in closing, I’ll give you ten recommendations that I have taken from my friend, C.J. Mahaney, and I share them with you as various ways to clothe yourself in humility so that God might give you grace.”

    “First, follow the truth wherever it leads.”

    “If it means it leads to ‘you’re wrong’, then follow it. If it leads to ‘you’re fired’, then follow it. If it leads to ‘that’s not what’s best for you, but it’s best for all’, then follow it. If it leads to ‘you need to apologize’, then follow it.”

    “Don’t defend yourself. Don’t always do what is in your best interest. Follow the truth wherever it leads.”

    “Secondly, invite and pursue correction and council.”

    “Tell the people in your life, ‘I’m blind to my own blindness. I’m foolish to my own folly. I need you to confront me. I need you to rebuke me.”

    “I need you to speak the truth to me. When I’m acting like a jerk, I need you to say it. I need you to give me counsel because sometimes I don’t know what to do. I need correction because sometimes I say and do the wrong thing.”

    “And receive it, don’t argue, don’t blame shift, don’t change the topic. Receive it.”

  • Frank Turk

    Driscoll always gives a vague apology, which is why his repentance is also always so vague (or absent).

    He’s a pastor, not a guy running a business. A CEO or COO can have a lot of personal faults and still do his job. A pastor is not a COO, and must be blameless.

  • Tylor Standley

    I find it quite convenient that he tells everyone to put the rocks down when he is the one being confronted with sin. Yet, how many stories are there of unjust firing, “disciplining,” and shunning? He tells us to be quick to forgive, and then treats his own people like crap. I read a comment on another blog (can’t remember which one) in which a member of Mars Hill mentioned that Driscoll has always taught that if you don’t repent of specific sin, you are not repenting at all. Again, there’s a double standard. In all of the horrible things he’s done, never once have I heard of him repenting specifically for anything. It’s always “I’m sorry if *you* felt like…” or “I feel bad when I do the wrong thing…”

    With you, I would love to see Driscoll repent and walk in the way of Christ. However, he has proven to be unqualified to be a pastor. Even if he truly repents and everyone lovingly forgives him (which would be great), it doesn’t mean his pastoral ministry needs to continue–at least not for a very long time, after some serious counseling.

  • Darwin E. Stanton

    The problem with pastors and church leaders who make ministry a profession is greed and the making of money become more important than truth, morality and the representation of God. In business someone is always figuring out a way to increase profits. For pastors like Driscoll the same is true. That is why he came out with the “don’t throw stones” thing and the halfhearted apology. The guy went on the defensive to protect his profession which he needs to keep in order to make money to live on. When someone takes a defensive stance it usually means, oh know, I could be in trouble here. In fact his speech reminded me of a used car salesman selling to those without any credit. If anyone in any profession were to pull this type of business stunt they would pay the same price as this guy will eventually wind up paying. They would lose their job. I do not believe what I am hearing from him or the Mars Hill church about his actions to make money off his books. The reason is simple, it is all about the business they had going and the money they were making and how they want to stop the damage before the money dries up.

  • Ryan Mahoney

    Funny thing is that Driscoll’s good friend preached a “Drop the Rock” sermon when under similar local pressures by our blog. These guys are just using the same PR playbook.

  • Matt Orth

    I won’t judge his intent from this but unfortunately his record doesn’t make it easy to interpret it in a hopeful manner. I think your words are as gracious as they can be.
    For me, I’ve heard too many prideful people use the “put down the rocks” imagery as a partial apology that is masking a subtle “’cause you don’t want to get in a rock fight with me” undertone.
    Regardless, we all wait for the fruit of sincere repentance to bloom to its fullest…and in the public eye…

  • Daniel Karistai

    My only hope is that he remembers his own plea when he gets an opportunity to throw his own rocks again.

  • zhoag

    Whoa! You’re right – I remember hearing that sermon on Christian radio recently!

  • Rachel Heston-Davis

    I agree that people shouldn’t “throw rocks” in the sense of showering hate on him just to be mean. I also hope that people aren’t gleeful about his troubles just for the sake of revenge.

    But refraining from rock-throwing is entirely different from believing that he is fit to pastor.

    I hope that Driscoll gets his act together and becomes truly repentant for the areas where he’s sinned. We know Christ loves and will forgive him. But Driscoll has held and taught harmful ideas (about women, about using gay individuals as verbal punching bags, about keeping church members from ever questioning) for so long, that I think it would take a long time to un-learn these things. And he might not be able to un-learn them while he was still trying to pastor and teach about them. It might be quite awhile before he was ready to pastor again, let alone on a large scale. Especially if, as many believe, his ego has become over-inflated. It may be that positions of much power will always hold a temptation for him (just speculating here). We all have areas of temptation that are best stayed away from.

    I think it would be best for everyone to ignore the urge to rock-throw, but to openly and honestly question whether it is best for Driscoll, and for the people he teaches, for him to continue on without some major change or correction in his life. I think it would be fair to him, and to them, to at least consider that he may need a season away from teaching to figure things out without all the pressure.

    And if he and I were to sit down and discuss this in person, which will never happen, I would strongly encourage him not to just apologize for areas of repentance, but to do his best to make amends. The parts of his teachings that were harmful are still out there in vlogs and books, and if he changes his tune on anything, he needs to expend energy letting people know that he was wrong and that they don’t have to listen to those things anymore.

  • Rachel Heston-Davis

    Not to mention that Driscoll has made very public his belief that men who can’t provide for their families are failures, and that families where the wife works are disobeying clear Biblical teaching. So if his vocation dries up, he is a failure by his own definition. If he looks to Grace to help out, he becomes a hypocrite. In most families it would be a no-brainer that you just do whatever you have to to survive, whatever that means, but Driscoll has front-loaded the provision issue with so much language of failure and obedience that he’s kind of trapped himself.

  • Rachel Heston-Davis

    Isn’t there a verse that talks about teachers being held to a higher standard? Seems that should apply here.

  • zhoag

    yeah, familiar with that episode, and agree with your assessment.

  • zhoag

    for sure. agree.

  • Chris Morton

    What I don’t understand is why he refuses to address his critics outright. It comes across as a “don’t negotiate with terrorists” mindset. Ideally, it would be great for him to go offer the radar for awhile, like Paul did after his conversion, and seek his own vocation in the next season of life. I have high hopes because I miss Mark Driscoll.

  • Darwin E. Stanton

    Very Good point Rachel. Despite it all I hope for the best for him. I think there is a lesson in this as you pointed out.

  • Jim Henderson

    7 years ago we forced Driscoll into a room by threatening to hold a protest at his church. He showed up, made a faux apology and went back to business as usual which is what all of you are now observing and discussing. In the recovery world they see this kind of behavior all the time. When an addict is attempting to avoid detection they start utilizing tactical retreats which is what driscoll is doing now.

  • zhoag

    I think that’s dead on, Jim. So you were a member at Mars Hill at one point?

  • Todd Williams

    Tylor nailed it. We’re not condemning you, Mark. We’re confronting you. You have the same leeway with us as a brother in Christ if you see us participating in sin. (Luke 17:3)

    These vague non-apologies are a symptom of the paradigm of top-down Shepherding in the evangelical world. The pastor is above reproach, and must always maintain that appearance for the good of the lowly congregation. We can’t allow the congregation to lose faith in their leader, because the weak sheep will then scatter. It’s really insulting to the body, as if we don’t have the ability to have compassion, forgive, restore and move on. Not to mention it’s convenient for the leader to be able to avoid accountability and rebuke.

  • Jim Henderson

    Nope, I’ve pastored in Seattle area since 77. Google ” Mars Hill Protest seattle times “

  • Robert Hunt

    Let me suggest that the problem isn’t Mark Driscoll per se, who is simply another lazy author who got caught. It is a model of financing ministry that puts pastors and churches at moral risk by removing their accountability to their congregations. And that model is in turn based on contemporary Western business modelings of reality that are usually non-Christian and often anti-Christian. They depend on creating personality cults around celebrity preachers, marketing of media products including a Sunday morning entertainment venue for which the celebrity is the major draw, and careful branding and reaching into new markets while increasing market share. Scandal will follow scandal until evangelicals repent of their utterly unholy alliance with contemporary free-market capitalist ideology and its marketing methods, something that pervades not only the mega-churches, but significant portions of evangelical missions as well.

  • zhoag

    well said.

  • zhoag

    ok, will do. thanks.

  • Rob Grayson

    Let’s face it, if the guy gave an unambiguous, unreserved apology we’d all be rejoicing and God would be glorified. But it seems too much is tied up in kingdoms, money and reputation for this to happen.

  • Al Cruise

    The real danger of what he’s doing, is to the young men who are following him. We got an Acts 29 pastor at our Church 3 years ago. He had spent time at Mars Hill. To make a long story short he demanded total control over all ministries, especially wanted control over the finances. A two year battle ensued with many people leaving. He tried to appoint elders without election, kicked all the women out of leadership, and it ended with the worship pastor attempting suicide in a police standoff. He finally resigned and was moved by the conference to another center where he was given the job as pastor coach. I have a friend who attended a Christian University in South Carolina and they were taught that people of dark skin were that way because God put the mark of Cain on them. Many of those students have gone out and taught that same mindset throughout the south.The same will happen with Driscoll’s followers. They will live out his ways and teachings, ie. attitude towards women, accountability, leadership style. That’s the real tragedy here.

  • Al Cruise

    Interesting article. I see Paul Petry defends Driscoll. Where is Paul Petry now?

  • Bev Murrill

    I agree with your summation, Zach. I also would really like to see Mark change his modus operandi and I know that God loves him. But the rocks he has thrown at anyone any time anywhere without any compunction whatsoever, is the the reason he has so many detractors.

    Since Mark came to my attention I have been very aware that the day is a’comin’ when the sower will reap, and it does seem that those days have begun for Mark. It could be that this season will change him, as it’s changed many of us, and I hope so, but the fruit of it will be shown in complete, full, honest and transparent repentance over all the stuff he’s said… including about women, worship leaders, English leaders, and all the rest!

  • Bev Murrill

    I agree. This is not an apology, it’s a strategic response.

  • Rebecca Lynn

    I stand with you Al Cruise. Many of us in the Acts 29 churches have seen first hand the damage Mark’s “slop bucket” theology has done. His sinful attitudes about women concern me way more than some shady book deals. The men under him have been trained to adopt the same ungodly point of view. Queen Esther was NOT a whore, Songs was not just about a King getting laid, it seems like any woman in scripture is subjected to abuse under his leadership. He takes away from the truth and adds his own understanding which is so incorrect it is horrifying to me. My own daughters were shocked in watching him preach about Esther, one looked at me and asked is he reading the same bible we do? When will the men in church take off the blinders and stand for us and with us? Why must we rally alone? And when we do we are called out for it! In reality we are told to “keep sweet” ( a Mormon term) patted on our heads and told if we don’t we are bitter and WE need to repent. Are you kidding, we need to quit just letting this book mess be the issue and real men of integrity and learning need to speak up and challenge his ungodly and fallacy laden teachings about women. If all you can be outraged about is the book mess, then you are part of the problem. My heart aches for his wife Grace for how he has repeatedly embarassed and left her exposed. He has never been the covering for her God calls him to be. I pray with a sincere heart that Mr. Driscoll will take his teachings and his plagarized books and step down NEVER to return. It will take a decade or more for his “slop bucket” theology to be completely purged from our churches. I pray that women will one day enjoy safety and peace in all their churches, they will serve in the places God rightly gives us, and that we will all begin to heal from the mess that is Mars Hill and Acts 29.

  • Rebecca Lynn

    Yeah it’s Driscoll and his teachings, his Acts 29 network that has KILLED more churches than it has planted. I know my church of over thirty years is dead, the campus in foreclosure, and anything of value stripped out by my fanboy ex pastor. Taken to the next church he planted. It only took three years for our 800 person strong church to die, the doctrine of Driscoll killed it. Many, many bodies under the bus, leaders thrown out and told not to speak or they would lose their benefits. And years later our church is still listed as a viable church in their network even though their Driscoll clone closed it down. Yeah IT IS DRISCOLL.

  • Rebecca Lynn

    Just goes to show he will stoop to stealing others sermons now too, right? I wonder if we really watched both how alike they would be?

  • Al Cruise

    Scott Peck wrote a great book called “People of the Lie” It goes in depth on how people and organizations like this, become the way they do. A great read for those who want to better understand what really takes place and how to better respond when caught in their midst.

  • Debra Brouhard

    Mark Driscoll’s words sound like excuses dressed up as humility. Not only that, he seems to be “throwing rocks” at everyone else (because “everyone stumbles) in order to minimize his own responsiblility. I have heard similar “apologies” from my former pastor after confronting him and subsequently leaving. I think it would be awesome if Mark and other pastors like him came to true Biblical repentance, but after my experience I am beginning to doubt if that will ever happen! I hope I am wrong and that God really does know what He is doing.

  • Unah

    I’m not impressed. I was raised by a parent with a personality disorder. My mother was selfish, childish, self righteous, self obsessed, and she was absolutely incapable of empathy. I cannot even begin to describe the rage and disgust she felt for anyone who didn’t think or act just like her. Mark Driscoll reminds me way too much of my mother. If he has a personality disorder he isn’t going to change. He is going for pathetic because too many people are pointing out the obvious and he can’t control them all, so he resorts to emotional blackmail. Tomorrow when it all blows over he will be right back to abusing everyone around him. Sure, God loves him, but God loves everybody. Mark Driscoll only loves himself.

  • zhoag

    those are harsh words, but i find truth in them. i empathize with your experience :).

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  • zhoag

    wow. have you written about this in more detail anywhere else rebecca?

  • Rebecca Lynn

    About two months ago The Wartburg Watch did a three part story specifically about my situation one of the deacons who served there contributed but witheld his name. He does alot of business here and did not need the pushback.If you go to the site and look at their archives, you will find it all there. My church home was Countryside Christian Church and now it is an empty campus. There are photos of the building as well to prove what I am saying. I had hoped it might get picked up by a big news agency as their are real concerns about the financial end of everything. They stripped the building out of anything they could carry and the pastor set up shop here in the city in another abandoned church building. It was really heartbreaking for all of us that were members for many years, as we built the building in stages and met in the gym for over 6 years as we built the worship center. Many many families left or were like us thrown out. My story on TWW includes both the letters the leadership sent out, one to us and one to the entire congregation. We have a large group of folks that still shun us even today. And I live in a small town. It has had real consequences for us, our children and yet to this day they still justified in what they did to us and many others. Mark’s doctrines played a pivotal role in our church collapse. It is devastating to think that this man is still in ministry.

  • Ryan Mahoney

    BTW, I thought you might find it interesting that after MacDonald gave a pass to T.D. Jakes regarding prosperity gospel (ie…stealing from the poor) at his Elephant Room Conference, MacDonald is now going to be broadcasting on TBN. Hmmm…I guess money was a bit of a motivator for the kid-glove treatment.

  • zhoag

    Driscoll & MacDonald are veeerrrry similar, personality wise, preaching wise, etc. This all makes a lot of sense.

  • Bill

    I’m an old man, a Christian man, who has gone through many church splits in the past. They all have been embarrassing, painful and memorable. Have they shaped my character? You bet they have. Have I given up on the church? I’d have to be honest and say, I wished I could, but Jesus loves his church and I want to be involved in what He loves. The church at large is the most
    embarrassing place on the planet to frequent, from a worldly-view (a view
    without Jesus in it) and sometimes from my own Christian view (a view with
    Jesus in it)

    Do you think that any non-Christian, who holds to a worldly-view reading these blogs about a brother in error would want to frequent your church and why call it your church, is He not the one who purchased it by his own sacrifice?
    I Corinthians 1:26 -30 says, Jesus chose the foolish, the weak, and
    the lowly to shame the wise and no human being will boast in the presence of
    God. Why are you boating here? Are you afraid to face embarrassment and hurt
    for the sake of Christ?

    Are you so willing to throw Mark Driscoll to the curb because of some bad book deal or because someone got extremely hurt in the past and we think we need to fix it. By the way a Board of Advisors and Accountability are trying to correct and hold this man accountable. Does he not belong to Jesus? Has not Jesus chosen this fool for himself? Did he not choose you? Are you not an embarrassment yourself? Let’s blog about your life, or my life for that matter, which has been an
    embarrassment far worse than this and Jesus never gave up on me and never
    will, I have nothing, absolutely nothing to boast about, except what Jesus has
    done for me.

    Please don’t blog about me. I am a Marshill member, I speak from within and not from the outside looking in, and Mark Driscoll has done nothing to
    deserve disqualification form leadership that I’m aware of. He respects
    and honors women, he repents openly form the pulpit, does your pastor do
    the same? If I spoke from experience, repentance is not done openly
    as Mark does openly, that was one obvious difference in his teaching.
    He’s by no means perfect and I quite frankly love my brother and you bloggers
    here. He has a family, do you not think of them when you post?
    Grace, his wife, is a blessing to me and my family and I never met them
    face to face. They have sons and daughters and there is not one thing I
    would hold back from sharing with my grand-kids that he has shared from the
    pulpit. He honors his wife and family. Mark will be made perfect someday, and so will you if you have placed your faith in Jesus’ work at the cross.

    I’m sorry people got hurt, but it’s a part of Christianity, I bear the scars on
    my heart from previous pastors, from their adulterous life style, bad
    doctrine, false teachings, religion, moralism and other scandals that pale in the light of this. Some of these folks still walk with Jesus and I am glad to be
    called their brother the damage is done and Jesus’ work continues. I wish I could go back and show the maturity from what I have learned from my current teachings.

    Do you have to be right? Can you not suffer the hurt and move on? Did you ever hurt anyone? It’s easy to see how much someone else hurt us but can you ever see how much you have hurt others? Maybe you never hurt anyone in your life but I can’t say that about myself. I have hurt others and it pains me to see my errors.
    Let me stop here, but before I do, I want to say that the majority of
    things I’ve talked about here, I have learned from Mark Driscoll at Marshill
    Church. Thanks Mark for making me a better man and not a bitter man. Your
    call to teach men is being fulfilled, and I know you don’t need me to stand up
    for you, but I must do the right thing here and say, I love you brother and can’t
    wait to share eternity with you, as you have taught this old man truth that no
    one has before. Thanks for what you are teaching the men of this younger generation and how to respect the women in their lives, you give me hope. Your teaching is biblical and I forgive you, that I might be forgiven myself.

  • Tim

    And I have heard a number other similar stories about the fruit of his “ministry”.
    I hope God truly transforms him also, but as far as what he’s done so far, I’ll take a wait and see attitude about the truthfulness of his repentance. I’m not holding my breath, though.

  • Tim

    Would that be M. Scott Peck, who wrote The Road Less Traveled? If so; sharp guy with some good insights.