The Muslim religion comes from Abraham's line through Ishmael, his illegitimate son. Muslims serve the God of Abraham. Jews serve the God of Abraham. Same God, different attributes given to Him.
My brother and I sometimes have conversations about our parents. In them, he sometimes says things that make me think we're talking about different people. Something similar happens between Jews and Muslims.
Again: same God, different attributes.
Sock
Member
Everytime that the bible says "they shall be stoned", it doesn't mean smoke some pot.
Here's a great video that shows how people read what they want from the Bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aawH1NZ6PFY
Sock,
respectively,
where does the Bible say go out and murder?
15 "Anyone who attacks his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.
16 "Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17 "Anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.
—Exodus 21:15-17
I think you are referring to old testament law here. Society finds a way to deal with injustice. Some of our states still use the death sentences for crime, me thinks you are confusing human law with "God commanded"
Ask someone that lost a loved one to a murderer if they believe in death sentences....
phrankygee
Member
"Or someone that forgave an offense to someone, like a murderer and then the partner who was left behind to suffer does something completely out of the ordinary, they love that person who murdered their loved one? "
Doug Wade - 4 days ago.
"Ask someone that lost a loved one to a murderer if they believe in death sentences.... "
Doug Wade, 18 Minutes ago.
You have no fucking clue what you actually believe about anything, man.
Jonathan,
The scriptures you quoted referred to how people at that time and place dealt with situations. It is not a command for all who follow Christ to continue such steps.
This is why it's important to learn how to read the Bible. In other words, a person needs to learn when a "book" of the Bible is written for a specific population, what it meant to those to which it was written, what it meant to the writer... etc.
The way they dealt with situations at that time wasn't unique to their religion, either. The world was a very different place then.
If I were to believe in the Alpha and Omega-type of god, I would believe that god's law is timeless and is not bound by culture, so saying its OK to commit child-sacrifices and genocide was ok then is bullshit to me, because that hinders the existence of humans
Or...
You might believe in a God who gives man free-will and meets people where they're at. And you might also contemplate the idea that if the Jews were God's chosen people, chosen to bring the savior of the world into existence, He just might allow extreme measures to protect them and might also ask them to live up to a higher standard than the rest of the world. AND He just might see things from a different perspective than us, where death on earth really doesn't make one cease to exist.
Ya never know.
Phranky,
thanks for taking my posts out of context:
The justice of seeing a murderer go to the electric chair and having someone forgive a murderer is the difference between law and grace.
Grace can forgive, the law seeks justice. You can forgive someone and still not stop the state from executing a death penalty.
You are a clever one.
phrankygee
Member
" The church is divided on this issue. So is society"
Well, if God existed, the church wouldn't be split on this, or any other issue. You could just ask God "should we kill this guy, or forgive him?" And God would tell us which, and everybody would know his opinion on the matter.
Sock
Member
I think you are referring to old testament law here. ... me thinks you are confusing human law with "God commanded"
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but are you saying that is perfectly fine to ignore all of the old testament? Or just parts of it? And if only parts, then what parts? How can you tell what's still applicable today as part of God's Love, since as near as I can tell there is no asterisk, subtext, or epilogue at the end of the New Testament that says "in leviticus, it says not to eat shellfish and to kill gays. It's okay to eat shellfish after 1500 CE, but you have to kill gays until 2200 CE."
Travis
Member
Donny says: "You might believe in a God who gives man free-will and meets people where they're at."
So are you saying that God is not absolute and can arbitrarily change what is good and what is evil based on "where people are at"? What good is the Bible then and why hasn't he met this generation "where we are at" and given us an updated version of godly morality?
Sock and Frank, I will not profess to know the answer to this question. But as I study God's character I see that He is equally just and equally merciful.
I don't believe these questions have complete answers.
In my finite mind I understand that God executes judgment for sin and shows mercy to those He chooses to give mercy.
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