{"id":22464,"date":"2013-10-22T17:15:52","date_gmt":"2013-10-22T16:15:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/?p=22464"},"modified":"2020-06-13T06:51:45","modified_gmt":"2020-06-13T05:51:45","slug":"strange-fire-radio-mp3-and-questions-for-cessationists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2013\/10\/strange-fire-radio-mp3-and-questions-for-cessationists\/","title":{"rendered":"Strange Fire: Radio MP3 and Questions for cessationists"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lineoffireradio.com\/2013\/10\/21\/dividing-over-truth-or-just-plain-divisive-dr-brown-interviews-christian-leaders-regarding-the-strange-fire-conference\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">MP3 of the radio chat<\/a> I had yesterday is available. It is in two segments Michael Brown speaks first to Phil Johnson and then to myself and Sam Storms. I think that it should make interesting reading.<\/p>\n<p>During the chat I posed four questions for cessationists that I think help to determine whether you are <a title=\"How Charismatic are YOU? A Spectrum of belief and practice\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2011\/12\/how-charismatic-are-you-a-spectrum-of-belief-and-practice\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">a moderate cessationist<\/a>, or one who doesn\u2019t accept any experiences of God as valid. I explain in my book that a vibrant sense of a relationship with God was once very broadly accepted. Today this is less the case.<\/p>\n<p>1. Are experiences of God (eg \u201cmy heart was strangely warmed\u201d) and\/or the kind of \u201cprophetic\u201d utterances Spurgeon experienced during some of his sermons ever acceptable?<br>\n2. Are such things ever acceptable for us today or are they only acceptable for a special few?<br>\n3. Is it accpetable to persue such things as part of your relationship with Jesus?<br>\n4. Does it really matter what we call such things? And if so, wouldn\u2019t it be better to use biblical language?<\/p>\n<p>The fifth question is: do you think it is OK for MacArthur and co to state that most charismatics are not believers and that their experiences are often demonic? Of course I think that is very much isn\u2019t !<\/p>\n<p>I thought I would also share a few tweets from the Twitter conversation we had afterwards, where Phil and I seemed to be talking past each other. I\u2019d love to have a head to head with Phil on this subject and there is an open invitation to him on that.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> imagine if <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/LigonDuncan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@LigonDuncan<\/a> had put on a conference &amp; said the majority of credo baptists were unsaved. How would you react?<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392444598960029697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The biggest problem in the church today is not strange fire but NO FIRE<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Jack Graham (@jackngraham) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jackngraham\/status\/391891008314548224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 20, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> but you don't get to the Crux. Of course he was a cessationist. Of course he warned against foolishly following impulses\u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392458778844868608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> imagine if <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/LigonDuncan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@LigonDuncan<\/a> had put on a conference &amp; said the majority of credo baptists were unsaved. How would you react?<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392444598960029697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> I think that deciding what to call the experiences many Christians share is actually less important than baptism\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392455627404247041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Four Questions for <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/johnmacarthur?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@johnmacarthur<\/a> and co <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrMichaelLBrown?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@DrMichaelLBrown<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Samuel_Storms?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Samuel_Storms<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/StrangeFire?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">#StrangeFire<\/a> 1. Are experiences of God ever valid?<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392407897382330368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 21, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> Now that's not fair as you were in London anyway! I've no other cause to come your way. I found this <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/l1i1Gtnc5O\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/t.co\/l1i1Gtnc5O<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392454703449407488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u2026as do most charismatics I know. But he had these experiences: can we?  Should we? And what do we call them? <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392459063516467201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Phil_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">@Phil_Johnson_<\/a> I don't think you have heard our concerns at all. I believe it is damaging to church unity to accuse charismatics en masse.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Adrian Warnock (@adrianwarnock) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock\/status\/392444076983083008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 22, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The MP3 of the radio chat I had yesterday is available. It is in two segments Michael Brown speaks first to Phil Johnson and then to myself and Sam Storms. I think that it should make interesting reading. 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