{"id":22840,"date":"2013-11-26T17:30:56","date_gmt":"2013-11-26T17:30:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/?p=22840"},"modified":"2018-01-28T16:36:43","modified_gmt":"2018-01-28T16:36:43","slug":"why-i-am-a-charismatic-the-ot-bible-verses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2013\/11\/why-i-am-a-charismatic-the-ot-bible-verses\/","title":{"rendered":"Why I am a charismatic: The OT Bible verses"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>With all the recent <a title=\"Strange Fire \u2013 A Charismatic Response to John MacArthur\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2013\/10\/strange-fire-a-charismatic-response-to-john-macarthur\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">controversy<\/a>, and having previously posted an article which explains there are different opinions on the <a title=\"How Charismatic are YOU? A Spectrum of belief and practice\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2011\/12\/how-charismatic-are-you-a-spectrum-of-belief-and-practice\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">charismatic vs cessationist spectrum<\/a>, as well as my old series on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/category\/series\/gifts-of-holy-spirit\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Gifts of the Holy Spirit<\/a>,\u00a0I thought that I should simply share the most relevant Bible verses cited by people regarding this discussion. I encourage you whatever your viewpoint to approach the Bible open for God to speak to you through these verses, and perhaps even change your mind. \u00a0Today I share the OT verses that I believe are most relevant. <strong>If I have missed any that you believe are particularly important for this discussion, please let me know in the comments section.<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cAnd the Lord put a word in Balaam\u2019s mouth\u201d [Balaam, a false prophet, yet spoken through by God.] (Numbers 22-23)<\/p>\n<p>So Moses went out and told the people the words of the Lord. And he gathered seventy men of the elders of the people and placed them around the tent. Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and took some of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. And as soon as the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied. But they did not continue doing it.<br>\nNow two men remained in the camp, one named Eldad, and the other named Medad, and the Spirit rested on them. They were among those registered, but they had not gone out to the tent, and so they prophesied in the camp. And a young man ran and told Moses, \u201cEldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.\u201d And Joshua the son of Nun, the assistant of Moses from his youth, said, \u201cMy lord Moses, stop them.\u201d But Moses said to him, \u201cAre you jealous for my sake? Would that all the Lord\u2019s people were prophets, that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!\u201d And Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp. (Numbers 11:24-30)<\/p>\n<p>You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you. (Deuteronomy 4:2)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf a prophet or qa dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and rthe sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, \u2018Let us go after other gods,\u2019 which you have not known, \u2018and let us serve them,\u2019 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God sis testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. 5 But vthat prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. wSo you shall purge the evil1 from your midst. (Deueteronmy 13:1-5)<\/p>\n<p>The prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, \u201cHow shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?\u201d\u2014when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:20\u201322)<\/p>\n<p>Then Saul sent messengers to take David, and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as head over them, hthe Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, iand they also prophesied. 21 When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, iand they also prophesied. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, iand they also prophesied. 22 Then he himself went to Ramah and came to the great well that is in Secu. And he asked, \u201cWhere are Samuel and David?\u201d And one said, \u201cBehold, they are at Naioth in gRamah.\u201d 23 And he went there to Naioth in Ramah. jAnd the Spirit of God came upon him also, and as he went he prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah. 24 kAnd he too stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay naked all that day and all that night. Thus it is said, l\u201cIs Saul also among the prophets?\u201d (1 Samuel 19:20-24)<\/p>\n<p>when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the Lord, Obadiah took a hundred prophets and hid them by fifties in a cave and fed them with bread and water. (1 Kings 18:4)<\/p>\n<p>Now the sons of the prophets said to Elisha, \u201cSee, the place where we dwell under your charge is too small for us. (2 Kings 6:1)<\/p>\n<p>For zeal for your house has consumed me,<br>\nand jthe reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me. (Psalm 69:9)<\/p>\n<p>Open my eyes, that I may behold<br>\nwondrous things out of your law. (Psalm 119:18)<\/p>\n<p>I bow down toward your holy temple<br>\nand give thanks to your name for your steadfast love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things<br>\nyour name and your word. (Psalm 138:2)<\/p>\n<p>I will wait for the Lord, who is hiding his face from the house of Jacob, and I will hope in him. Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion. And when they say to you, \u201cInquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,\u201d should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. (Isaiah 8:16-20, ESV)<\/p>\n<p>I will wait for the Lord, who is hiding his face from the house of Jacob, and I will hope in him. Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion. And when they say to you, \u201cInquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,\u201d should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. (Isaiah 8:16-20, ESV)<\/p>\n<p>For they are a rebellious people,<br>\nlying children,<br>\nchildren unwilling to hear<br>\nthe instruction of the Lord;<br>\n10 ewho say to fthe seers, \u201cDo not see,\u201d<br>\nand to the prophets, \u201cDo not prophesy to us what is right;<br>\nspeak to us gsmooth things,<br>\nprophesy illusions,<br>\n11 leave the way, turn aside from the path,<br>\nlet us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.\u201d<br>\n12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,<br>\n\u201cBecause you despise this word<br>\nand trust in hoppression and perverseness<br>\nand rely on them,<br>\n13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you<br>\nilike a breach in a high wall, bulging out, and about to collapse,<br>\nwhose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant; (Isaiah 30:9-13)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor as the rain and the snow come down from heaven<br>\nand do not return there but water the earth,<br>\nmaking it bring forth and sprout,<br>\ngiving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,<br>\nso shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;<br>\nit shall not return to me empty,<br>\nbut it shall accomplish that which I purpose,<br>\nand shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55:10-11)<\/p>\n<p>Shall I not punish them for these things?<br>\ndeclares the Lord,<br>\nand shall I not avenge myself<br>\non a nation such as this?\u201d<br>\nAn appalling and horrible thing<br>\nhas happened in the land:<br>\nthe prophets prophesy falsely,<br>\nand the priests rule at their direction;<br>\nmy people love to have it so,<br>\nbut what will you do when the end comes? (Jeremiah 5:29-31)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who prophesy in my name although I did not send them, and who say, \u2018Sword and famine shall not come upon this land\u2019: By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed. (Jeremiah 14:14-15)<\/p>\n<p>Thus says the Lord of hosts: \u201cDo not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, \u2018It shall be well with you\u2019; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, \u2018No disaster shall come upon you.\u2019\u201d (Jeremiah 23:16-17)<\/p>\n<p>For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, \u2018Know the Lord,\u2019 for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.\u201d (Jeremiah 31:32-34)<\/p>\n<p>The word of the Lord came to me: \u201cSon of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: \u2018Hear the word of the Lord!\u2019 Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! Your prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel. You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord. They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, \u2018Declares the Lord,\u2019 when the Lord has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfill their word. Have you not seen a false vision and uttered a lying divination, whenever you have said, \u2018Declares the Lord,\u2019 although I have not spoken?\u201d<br>\nTherefore thus says the Lord God: \u201cBecause you have uttered falsehood and seen lying visions, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord God. My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God. (Ezekiel 13:1-9)<\/p>\n<p>So I was left alone and saw this great vision, and no strength was left in me. My radiant appearance was fearfully changed, and I retained no strength. Then I heard the sound of his words, and as I heard the sound of his words, I fell on my face in deep sleep with my face to the ground. (Daniel 10:8-9)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd it shall come to pass afterward,<br>\nthat I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh;<br>\nyour sons and your daughters shall prophesy,<br>\nyour old men shall dream dreams,<br>\nand your young men shall see visions. (Joel 2:28)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With all the recent controversy, and having previously posted an article which explains there are different opinions on the charismatic vs cessationist spectrum, as well as my old series on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit,\u00a0I thought that I should simply share the most relevant Bible verses cited by people regarding this discussion. 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Just not all at once. Healing takes time. Compassion and patience carry us over a lifetime of change. These are the themes I explore in my books and in the articles I have written for Patheos since 2003. My writing draws on my scientific training as a doctor and psychiatrist, my work in the UK's National Health Service and the pharmaceutical industry, alongside more than twenty-five years as a member of a growing church where I served on the leadership team offering pastoral care. My perspective has also been shaped by chronic illness since 2017, when I developed life-threatening pneumonia that caused lasting damage to my body, triggered several further conditions, and uncovered a diagnosis of blood cancer. This was successfully treated, although doctors expect it to return in the future. Out of these experiences I founded Blood Cancer Uncensored, an online patient-led support community. I am the author of the Transformed by Jesus: Spiritual Renewal series of books, which ask: \u2192 Is the Easter story true, and what does it mean? Raised With Christ: How the Resurrection Changes Everything \u2192 Why is change so difficult? What causes the resistance? The Traitor Within: Understanding and Healing Our Deceitful Hearts \u2192 How does transformation happen over time? Amazing Grace: How Faith Grows in the Human Heart \u2192 What are the first steps on a journey of faith? Hope Reborn: How to Become a Christian and Live for Jesus These books bring together medical, psychological, social, and faith-based insights, advocating for a biopsychosocial\u2013spiritual model of wellbeing. My qualifications and training reflect this integrated background: \u2192 British MB BS medical degree (equivalent to an MD in the USA) \u2192 Postgraduate qualifications in Psychiatry (MRCPsych) and Pharmaceutical Medicine (MFFM, DipPharmMed) \u2192 Theological training courses run by Newfrontiers","sameAs":["http:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/adrianwarnockpage\/","https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/author\/awarnock\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22840","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1268"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=22840"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22840\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=22840"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=22840"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=22840"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}