{"id":2774,"date":"2007-08-16T23:01:00","date_gmt":"2007-08-16T23:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/adrianwarnock.com\/2007\/08\/john-bunyan-and-the-grudem-dever-vs-piper-baptism-debate\/"},"modified":"2018-07-06T10:56:36","modified_gmt":"2018-07-06T09:56:36","slug":"john-bunyan-and-grudem-dever-vs-piper","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2007\/08\/john-bunyan-and-grudem-dever-vs-piper\/","title":{"rendered":"John Bunyan and the Grudem &amp; Dever vs Piper Baptism Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>John Bunyan has been brought in to butress Piper\u2019s posisiton which had suffered from the declaration of Dever for the other side.  This remains a very good natured discussion, and demonstrates clearly the ability to be united around the gospel but disagree on secondary issues.  <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.9marks.org\/2007\/08\/historical-refl.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Aaron Menikoff<\/a> of the 9Marks Blog begins his post as follows \u2013<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Maybe it simply worth noting that there is a long history, first in England, then in the States, of Baptists addressing the question of whether the unbaptized should be accepted into the membership of Baptist churches.  To put it in a less sterile way, should the church really be split over a difference in baptism?<\/p>\n<p>The most famous account, and one that Mark has lectured on in academic circles, involved the famous tinker from Bedford, John Bunyan. The author of Pilgrim\u2019s Progress defended his practice of allowing the paedo-baptists to join Bedford Baptist Church in Differences about Water Baptism No Bar to Communion (1673). Bunyan offered ten reasons to allow the unbaptized into membership . . .  <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>John Bunyan has been brought in to butress Piper\u2019s posisiton which had suffered from the declaration of Dever for the other side. This remains a very good natured discussion, and demonstrates clearly the ability to be united around the gospel but disagree on secondary issues. Aaron Menikoff of the 9Marks Blog begins his post as [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1268,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[267,58,79,187,188],"tags":[537,529,561],"class_list":["post-2774","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-baptism-debate","category-john-piper","category-mark-dever","category-water-baptism","category-wayne-grudem","tag-baptism","tag-church-history","tag-john-piper"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>John Bunyan and the Grudem &amp; Dever vs Piper Baptism Debate<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"John Bunyan has been brought in to butress Piper&#039;s posisiton which had suffered from the declaration of Dever for the other side. 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