{"id":3061,"date":"2008-04-19T03:35:00","date_gmt":"2008-04-19T03:35:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/adrianwarnock.com\/2008\/04\/interview-wallace-benn-on-penal-substitutionary-atonement\/"},"modified":"2017-09-16T18:28:02","modified_gmt":"2017-09-16T17:28:02","slug":"interview-wallace-benn-on-penal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2008\/04\/interview-wallace-benn-on-penal\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW – Wallace Benn on Penal Substitutionary Atonement"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

\"Wallace<\/a>This is the second part of a three-part interview I did with Bishop Wallace Benn at the New Word Alive conference<\/a> last week. You can read part 1 here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

In this segment, the Bishop discusses his total commitment to the doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement, and gives some reasons why PSA \u201cis central to a proper understanding of the gospel.\u201d<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
You just mentioned a high view of the cross. For those people who might not understand what all that means, would you mind unpacking that for a moment?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Those who founded Word Alive, and Word Alive through the years, and now New Word Alive, are totally committed to the penal substitutionary view of the atonement. That is, that Jesus died as our substitute and our sin-bearer\u2014that you and I deserve to be on the cross.<\/p>\n

One of the lovely things (I don\u2019t know if you know this) in Mel Gibson\u2019s film, The Passion of the Christ<\/em>, he was asked whether he took any part in the film, having directed it. And he said, \u201cWell, only one. It\u2019s my hand that holds the nails that crucified Christ in the film.\u201d That\u2019s a profound and right insight\u2014that he died, not just for the whole world, but he died for ME! And actually it was understanding that which was the means of my conversion.<\/p>\n

So, not only did Jesus die as our sin-bearing substitute, but in so doing, he took the wrath of God against our sin. He actually took our place, and the righteous judgment of God against sin Jesus dealt with. Without that, you and I would be hopeless in a very literal sense\u2014actually without any hope at all. So I have no sympathy whatsoever with people who want to water that down for entirely wrong reasons, in my opinion. I think that\u2019s central to a proper understanding of the gospel.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
We certainly haven\u2019t seen any watering down of that here, have we?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
No, absolutely not!<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Speaker after speaker has been crystal clear.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I\u2019m absolutely delighted to affirm it. It\u2019s a great joy to me to see that done.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes, I think that\u2019s right. There is obviously a joining of hands of people who all feel the same way. It\u2019s not a minority position at all, is it?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Not at all!<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
<\/a>When you have, for example, that list (I think your name is on it)\u2014that list of people who affirmed that particular book, Pierced for Our Transgressions<\/a><\/em>, it\u2019s almost like a Who\u2019s Who of Christianity. I know there were some people who didn\u2019t affirm it, but the number of people who did, from all kinds of different backgrounds\u2014you might say, \u201cSurely those two groups aren\u2019t even talking to each other!\u201d\u2014 and yet they both would look up and say, \u201cNo, this is the gospel!\u201d<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
It was a pleasure to be one of those whose name was associated with that magnificent book, truly. That\u2019s great to see.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Absolutely. And it\u2019s not as though that\u2019s the only book either, is it? There are a lot of books out there that say the same thing basically.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I\u2019m an old student of J. I. Packer<\/a>, who thirty years ago wrote a magnificent defense of the penal substitutionary idea of the atonement. That view of the cross is the classic evangelical view, and if we move away from it, we move away from the teaching of the Bible. We move away from the teaching of our forefathers in terms of an understanding of the gospel. There are many other things you can say about the cross\u2014there isn\u2019t only one thing you can say about the cross. But those of us who are here believe that penal substitution is the glue that holds all the other things together.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
That\u2019s a lovely way of putting it actually, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Continued in part 3<\/a> . . .<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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