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\"Wallace<\/a>This is the final segment of my three-part interview with Wallace Benn, Bishop of Lewes and previous leader of Word Alive. Part one can be read here<\/a>, and part two here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

In the concluding section, the Bishop talks about handing over the leadership duties to Hugh Palmer, and the role New Word Alive has in fostering continued cooperation between conviction evangelicals.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Practically speaking, I know next year New Word Alive is moving on to two weeks and all that kind of stuff. Are you able to give us any insider tips about what it\u2019s going to look like next year, or is that all still in the early stages?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
No, because I\u2019m no longer on the planning committee.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Oh, I see. So you can\u2019t . . .<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
No, there was a real hand-over. This year is a lovely opportunity for me, with great delight, to hand it over to my friend, Hugh Palmer<\/a>. It really is out there, so I\u2019m not on the steering committee. But I go on being, for as long as people want me to be, associated with and involved in New Word Alive, and am totally supportive up front in every way of their whole development.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
It\u2019s nice to know, again, breaking down my caricatures, that there are evangelical bishops out there\u2014in fact, there are several of you, aren\u2019t there?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
There are!<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
You\u2019re not alone, then.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Happily, there are!<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I know some people might be listening to this in America, and they may not necessarily have heard of Hugh, but Hugh (I think I might say this) is sort of filling John Stott\u2019s<\/a> shoes in a sense, isn\u2019t he, at All Souls<\/a>. Have I got that right?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes, well he\u2019s the successor to the role that John Stott once held. There have been people there in-between\u2014Richard Bewes<\/a>, who is very well known, was the last rector of All Souls, so Hugh is the immediate successor of Richard Bewes . . .<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Right, got you. Okay.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
. . . who, in turn . . . before him there was Michael Baughen<\/a>, and before that John Stott.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
John Stott has just retired, I understand, hasn\u2019t he, just this last year?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes he has. He\u2019s retired from public ministry. He\u2019s delightful as ever, and as sharp as anything, but not very mobile.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Right, okay. There are some great names of evangelicals who have been around for years, and Stott was certainly one of them. I think Stott would have been happy to be here, don\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Absolutely delighted, I\u2019m sure! And my old professor and friend would also have been delighted to be here\u2014Jim Packer<\/a>\u2014and people like Alec Motyer<\/a>, another well-known stalwart in his generation of evangelicals.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes, I\u2019m sure that\u2019s right. There is sort of a \u201chanding over\u201d of generations that is happening a little bit now. It will be interesting to see who rises to the fore, really, and obviously this is, again, another opportunity for some of those people to speak to large numbers of people.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I think the confessional evangelicals who are strong doctrinally on the big truths of the Bible will more and more find themselves pulling together and working together.<\/p>\n

Adrian
<\/span><\/em><\/strong>I think you\u2019re right.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
And I think that\u2019s a good thing in a way because we need one another.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I think we do. And I think we can learn from one another, can\u2019t we? It\u2019s been great to see that in action here, with vibrant worship songs really sort of bouncing out from the stage, and then some hymns as well, of course, because we don\u2019t neglect the hymns. I do believe in that. And then, obviously, solid biblical teaching. To see all that in one conference is great, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
From your side of the church, the music of Townend and Getty<\/a> has been fabulous in putting to music\u2014very good music and singable music\u2014really really well thought through doctrinal convictions and biblical convictions, and that\u2019s a great gift to the whole Church. Increasingly, I think we need to be careful in different denominations that we just don\u2019t build empires, because actually it\u2019s God\u2019s kingdom and not our own\u2014it\u2019s his Word that matters. So, in a world where we have a great missionary task to win the world for Christ, we need to work more together.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes, I think you\u2019re absolutely right. And I think it holds for people outside the Church as well, because there\u2019s always that conception, \u201cOh, Christians! They\u2019re all so divided, and they\u2019re petty divisions. Some people might argue that about Christians. But I guess this week helps to show that, in a sense, that\u2019s not right\u2014that we can<\/em> work with people across all sorts of boundaries.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
There are secondary things here that we would disagree about, but none of them are important compared to the big truths of the Christian faith, and our total conviction that we need to live as Christians under the supreme authority of Bible.<\/p>\n

Adrian
<\/span><\/em><\/strong>Yes. I think that\u2019s absolutely right.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
If you can prove to me from Scripture that something I hold to is wrong, I\u2019m duty bound to change it. And I know you are, too.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em>
Yes!<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
So, that\u2019s a great thing.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
And that\u2019s the point, isn\u2019t it? This is the thing for me. When I sat down with Tim Chester<\/a>, as I mentoned earlier, we did dialogue. We had a bit of a debate going on, and I was bracing myself for what you do get when you talk to some people, which is just human reason, or it will be something to accommodate a culture. Do you know what I\u2019m trying to say? Those issues we were talking about . . .<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes.<\/p>\n

Adrian
<\/span><\/em><\/strong>What was really striking was, as much as Tim and I might disagree, we were both coming at it from a conviction that we believed that this was what the Bible was saying. So we could agree to disagree in that sense because I respect somebody who follows their convictions because they believe they are biblical convictions. I might happen to think they\u2019re wrong, but as long as they have that humble attitude about it, for me that\u2019s good enough. And I\u2019m sure . . . I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m expressing that very well.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
No, no, that\u2019s fine. I agree with that point.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Do you think there will be other ways in which we will work together as well? Who knows? As you\u2019re looking into the future, what sort of things do you think will come up? It\u2019s a difficult one, I guess.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I think it is a difficult one, but I think a lot will depend . . . locally on the ground, and certainly around where I live and work, there is increasing cooperation between conviction evangelicals. And it\u2019s lovely to see, I think, and very thrilling to see. I think it\u2019s been over the last four or five years, there has begun to develop the kind of new wine-side of the evangelical movement and the reformed side of the evangelical movement that are actually, on fundamental convictions, saying the same things and sharing the same convictions. Just as a convinced evangelical Anglican and a convinced evangelical Newfrontiers man are actually focused on the cross, and convinced about all the central truths of evangelical Christianity. And I love what John Stott said years ago\u2014that he was a Christian first, an evangelical second, and an Anglican third. I mean, that\u2019s right, isn\u2019t it? The way we should . . .<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Yes. I think that\u2019s right. Well, look, I don\u2019t want to take too much of your time. I\u2019m sure you have other things you need to go to, but thank you so much for joining us.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
It\u2019s been a great pleasure.<\/p>\n

Adrian<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
I look forward to, no doubt, seeing you again, and perhaps meeting some of your other evangelical colleagues at various points.<\/p>\n

Wallace Benn<\/span><\/em><\/strong>
Thanks for the conversation, Adrian.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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