{"id":32838,"date":"2019-11-02T11:32:33","date_gmt":"2019-11-02T11:32:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/?p=32838"},"modified":"2025-11-05T12:01:12","modified_gmt":"2025-11-05T12:01:12","slug":"trust-him-and-pray","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/trust-him-and-pray\/","title":{"rendered":"Trust Him and Pray"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-25738\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2017\/01\/walking.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"314\"><\/p>\n<p>Trust Him and Pray. Even when you don\u2019t feel like it. This is the only way to survive and even thrive in the significant suffering.<\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">yesterdays blog post<\/a> I spoke about the intersection between the series on the Commands of Jesus and the work I am doing on suffering, in particularly reviewing Tim Keller\u2019s book backwards (see parts <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/09\/have-no-fear-he-is-here\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">1<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">2<\/a>). Well today those two series completely collide.<\/p>\n<p>There is an old hymn whose words I initially remembered wrong. \u00a0I thought it said something like, <strong>\u201cTrust him and pray, for there\u2019s no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust him and pray\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But in fact the Lyrics don\u2019t talk directly about prayer, but rather obedience.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Trust and obey, for there\u2019s no other way<br>\nTo be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,<br>\nBut His smile quickly drives it away;<br>\nNot a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,<br>\nCan abide while we trust and obey . . .<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">And \u2018Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus,<br>\nJust to take Him at His Word;<br>\nJust to rest upon His promise,<br>\nJust to know, \u201cThus saith the Lord!\u201d<br>\nJesus, Jesus, how I trust Him!<br>\nHow I\u2019ve proved Him o\u2019er and o\u2019er;<br>\nJesus, Jesus, precious Jesus!<br>\nOh, for grace to trust Him more!<br>\nOh, for grace to trust You more!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>You can listen to a video of this old hymn here:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oV8wfr1GK2Y\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br>\nBut as we have seen, a large number of Jesus commands to us relate to how we should relate to him. None of the following commands can be obeyed without prayer. Even being born again is something that happens to us as we first cry out to Jesus in a \u00a0genuine heartfelt cry for help:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-born\/\" target=\"_blank\">Be Born Again<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-repent-believe\/\" target=\"_blank\">Repent and Believe<\/a><\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-come\/\" target=\"_blank\">Come to me<\/a>,<\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-listen-voice\/\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to My Voice<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"title\"><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/02\/jesus-commands-abide-in-me\/\" target=\"_blank\">Abide in Me<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/02\/jesus-commands-follow\/\" target=\"_blank\">Follow Me<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/04\/the-greatest-commandment-love-me\/\" target=\"_blank\">Love Me<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/05\/jesus-commands-worship-me\/\" target=\"_blank\">Worship Me<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/10\/jesus-commands-trust-fear-me\/\" target=\"_blank\">Trust and Fear Me<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/07\/jesus-commands-receive-the-spirit\/\" target=\"_blank\">Receive the Holy Spirit<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>And Jesus doesn\u2019t just tells us to obey these general commands about how we should relate to him, he gives us specific instructions about the practicalities and precisely how it is that he wants us to pray. As we pray the way Jesus tells us to, then we will find that each of the above list becomes a greater reality in our lives. So far we have looked at three of these commands of Jesus about prayer:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/05\/jesus-commands-pray-like-this\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Pray Like This<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/06\/pray-always-jesus\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cPray Always\u201d\u00a0<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-fast\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Fast, but not to Impress Others<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>And there are several more similar instructions which I intend to look at. Simply put there is no way to trust him without obeying him. And <strong>there is no way to obey him without praying to him<\/strong>. Not least because we are utterly incapable of following his commands in the way he intends us to without his help. \u00a0This should be clear even from looking at the very first one in the list. \u00a0We simply cannot decide one day to be born all over again. \u00a0We have to ask him to <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/01\/jesus-commands-born\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">create in us a clean heart<\/a>, and that simple prayer is surely one we need to pray often!<\/p>\n<p>So if we want <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/12\/establishing-a-firm-foundation\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">a firm foundation<\/a> in our life, and if we want to cope with the suffering that is thrown at us, and still be able to <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">thank praise and love God<\/a>, well we simply have to learn to pray.<\/p>\n<p>And yet when we are really sick <strong>prayer can be the hardest thing to do<\/strong>. God feels remote. We may even feel angry at him. We might even doubt he exists. We may find ourselves asking the age-old question \u201cIF God is all-powerful and all-loving how can he possibly have allowed this to happen to me or the ones I love?\u201d We might well not feel particularly like talking to the very one that we are blaming for the predicament we find ourselves in. Although God is <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/11\/giving-thanks-suffering-not\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">not the author of evil<\/a>, it can sure feel like that to us sometimes.<\/p>\n<p>And perhaps we should reverse the order of the two verbs we are looking at today. You see we often need to pray even when we don\u2019t feel particularly trusting towards God. And <strong>trust often grows from our prayer<\/strong> rather than the other way round. Prayer is often the very first step back in our \u00a0journey towards Him. And whilst we may not have the energy for complicated long prayers, nobody who is still conscious is beyond praying perhaps the most simple two word prayer:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h1>Help Me!<\/h1>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Keller expresses beautifully the opportunity that truly dark suffering brings us:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_25357\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-25357\" style=\"width: 217px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-25357\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2016\/01\/Timothy_Keller-217x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"217\" height=\"300\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-25357\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Source: Frank Licorice \u2013 https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/118175464@N04\/13893171622\/<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u201cIn the darkness we have a choice that is not really there in better times. We can <strong>choose <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/10\/jesus-is-king-so-serve-him\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">to serve God<\/a> just because he is God<\/strong>. In the darkest moments we feel we are getting absolutely nothing out of God or out of our relationship to him. But what if then\u2014when it does not seem to be paying or benefiting you at all\u2014you continue to obey, pray to, and seek God, as well as continue to do your duties of love to others? If we do that\u2014we are finally learning to love God for himself, and not for his benefits.\u201d \u00a0 \u2013 \u00a0Tim Keller, <em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The comfort the Bible speaks of will often\u00a0initially feel a million miles away. But we pray anyway. We pray because we have no one else to turn to. And we pray because it is what God has designed in order to bring us back to himself and to show us<a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> how to love him for himself.<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cHow can you move from loving God in a mercenary way toward loving God himself? I\u2019m afraid <strong>the primary way is to have hardship come into your life<\/strong>. Suffering first helps you assess yourself and see the mercenary nature of your love for God. When your most cherished things are taken from you, you may be tempted to angrily reject him. But then suffering gives you an opportunity. Instead of giving up on God and moving away from him you could adjust and focus on him in a way you had never done before.\u201d\u00a0\u2013 \u00a0Tim Keller, <em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But what are our prayers to look like? Should they be pious platitudes? Should we simply <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/05\/jesus-commands-pray-like-this\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">recite the Lords Prayer<\/a> (which of course is not a bad thing to do in an of itself)? Actually this might surprise you but God is inviting us to talk to him. He wants to be our counsellor. He wants us to pour out to him the agony we are feeling. He can cope with all our emotions. He is ready to hear our hearts true cry. Every single human emotion is expressed towards God in the Psalms which is one of the reasons that many of us, myself included, when we don\u2019t know how to pray at a time of suffering simply pick up the book of psalms and read till we find something to pray. These precious prayers of the saints of long ago will often surprise you, and <strong>you will suddenly realise you are not alone. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Others have walked this journey of struggling through pain and suffering with God for thousands of years. Let their prayers guide and inform yours, even when you feel at your very worst. In fact simply <strong>reading the psalms, perhaps out loud,<\/strong> is something you can do when you simply cannot bring yourself to form a thought into a prayer. Perhaps you are so far from God that you even hate him right now. \u00a0Even then, choosing to turn towards him rather than away is the key to eventually finding the way out of the hole you have been thrown into:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIt is important to at least want to love God. So do what you can to pray to him and ponder the truth. And wait. Wait like Job waited. Many people who have done this work\u2014this <strong>\u201cdry <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/10\/be-still-and-know\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">meditation<\/a> and prayer\u201d<\/strong>\u2014have especially used the Psalms to great profit. The Psalms are filled with teaching about God, of course, but they are also, in the main, prayers. And they are prayers that cover almost the entire range of human experience. They show us people processing their condition before God\u2014they are \u201cpraying\u201d their situation instead of merely thinking about it. We see psalmists praying their tears, their doubts, their fears, their griefs, their hopelessness\u2014as well as their joys and blessings. <strong>There is no better place to wait for God than deep inside the Psalter<\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 \u00a0 \u2013 \u00a0Tim Keller, <em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-31778\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/05\/nizamdepression.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"398\" height=\"300\"><\/p>\n<p>It is not just in the Psalms that we find this raw outburst of emotion towards God in prayer. We see it in the book of Job:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThrough it all, Job never stopped praying. Yes, he complained, but he complained to God. He doubted, but he doubted to God. He screamed and yelled, but he did it in God\u2019s presence. No matter how much in agony he was, he continued to address God. He kept seeking him. And in the end, God said Job triumphed . \u00a0. . Job\u2019s doggedness in seeking the face and presence of God meant that the suffering did not drive him away from God but toward him. And that made all the difference. As John Newton said, if we are not getting much out of going to God in prayer, we will certainly get nothing out of staying away. . .<\/p>\n<p>All of this means that even if we cannot feel God in our darkest and most dry times, he is still there. And so there is no more basic way to face suffering than this: Like Job, you must seek him, go to him. Pray even if you are dry. Read the Scriptures even if it is an agony. Eventually, you will sense him again\u2014the darkness won\u2019t last forever.<\/p>\n<p>The strength you need for suffering comes in the doing of the responsibilities and duties God requires. Shirk no commands of God. Read, pray, study, fellowship, serve, witness, obey. Do all your duties that you physically can and the God of peace will be with you.\u201d\u00a0 \u00a0 \u2013 \u00a0Tim Keller, <em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And as we pray and<a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> think about the truths of the gospel<\/a>, also focusing on what we can <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/11\/giving-thanks-suffering-not\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">thank God<\/a> for, then we will <strong>slowly realise that trust is returning<\/strong>. \u00a0To a certain extent trust is a choice. \u00a0You don\u2019t always have to feel particularly trusting. You can still have lots of unanswered questions and doubts. \u00a0Yet you can say \u201cWhere else can I go but to you Lord?\u201d or \u201cWho else could ever possibly help me?\u201d \u00a0 Of course trust and <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/09\/hope-in-suffering\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">hope<\/a> are hugely entwined. But I would argue it is possible to choose to trust God even when you feel that all hope is lost.<\/p>\n<p>As you carefully examine the small details of your life <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/11\/giving-thanks-suffering-not\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">looking for things to be thankful for<\/a>, even when things are at the hardest, you will gradually see it. GOD has really been at work in your situation all along. In my own case, he held back sickess until I was in a job which had an amazing sick pay policy (supported by an insurance company) that means that I am still paid a significant portion of my salary as I go through this very long and slow recovery period. \u00a0If I had to get sick, becoming sick when I did and not just a few weeks earlier, was part of God\u2019s provision for me. Of course I could choose to question why as my loving Father he didn\u2019t heal me completely before I even knew I was unwell. \u00a0Or, I can thank him for over-ruling in such a way that me and my family would be amazingly provided for. \u00a0Many people are not so blessed as we have been at a time like this. \u00a0Keller cites possibly the two best verses in the Bible for teaching us to trust in the Sovereignty of God in working in all the details of our lives, even the painful ones. Even the ones caused by other people:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If the brothers had not betrayed Joseph and sold him into slavery, the family (and Joseph) would not have been saved from disaster and death. It was obviously part of God\u2019s plan. God was present at every point, and was working even in the smallest details of the daily lives and schedules and choices of everyone. So this shows that \u201call things work according to the counsel of his will\u201d (Eph 1:10\u201311; Rom 8:28). So was it all right that they did what they did? Not at all. What they did was wrong\u2014no one forced them to do it . . .<\/p>\n<p>The Joseph story tells us that very often <strong>God does not give us exactly what we ask for. Instead he gives us what we would have asked for if we had known everything he knows<\/strong>\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Joseph assumes that behind everything that happened was the goodness and love of God. Even though what the brothers did was evil and wrong, God purposed to use it for good. This is the Old Testament version of Romans 8:28\u2014\u201cAll things work together for good to them who love God.\u201d Paul then adds a set of powerful questions and declarations and run-on sentences concluding that nothing \u201cin all creation\u201d can \u201cseparate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord\u201d (Rom 8:31\u201338). Paul and Joseph are saying that, no matter how bad things get, believers can be assured that God loves them.\u201d \u2013 \u00a0Tim Keller, <em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering. \u00a0<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you have not read it recently, I recommend reading the story of Joseph. \u00a0It starts at Genesis 37 and is a story of two halves. In the first we see the fall of a precocious favourite son. Who through no fault of his own other than naivete and daring to share his dreams, underwent a series of downward steps till he finds himself not just a slave but imprisoned in Egypt. \u00a0We can see signs of God at work in his story despite his severely damaged family, \u00a0and we are expected to believe that <strong>throughout his suffering and disappointment this was a chosen vessel of God<\/strong>. See for example<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span id=\"en-NIV-1152\" class=\"text Gen-39-2\"><sup class=\"versenum\">2\u00a0<\/sup>The <span class=\"small-caps\">Lord<\/span> was with Joseph so that he prospered, and he lived in the house of his Egyptian master.<\/span> <span id=\"en-NIV-1153\" class=\"text Gen-39-3\"><sup class=\"versenum\">3\u00a0<\/sup>When his master saw that the <span class=\"small-caps\">Lord<\/span> was with him and that the <span class=\"small-caps\">Lord<\/span> gave him success in everything he did,<\/span> <span id=\"en-NIV-1154\" class=\"text Gen-39-4\"><sup class=\"versenum\">4\u00a0<\/sup>Joseph found favor in his eyes and became his attendant (Genesis 39:2)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And yet even that positive season was shot lived. \u00a0If Joseph rotting in the prison and been told that God was with him, he might well have said <strong>\u201c<em>Well where on earth would I be if he wasn\u2019t with me?<\/em>\u201c<\/strong> \u00a0And perhaps the answer would have been somewhere even worse. But the answer would also have been not in the very place that God intended you to be in so that you could save the lives not only of yourselves but of your whole family, a whole nation, and many from the nations around during famine.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_27204\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-27204\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-27204\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2017\/09\/comfortladies-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-27204\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image: Tamasin Warnock<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>And so we see that <strong>we CAN trust in God even when our life feels like a total mess<\/strong>. \u00a0And looking back, we can believe that God\u2019s hand in some mysterious way was behind everything that happened to us. \u00a0Desiring and causing some things, preventing others, and with great reluctance and pain allowing some things to happen to us, but turning even the greatest evil around for good. \u00a0And so we come near the end of the story to one of the greatest verses in the Bible which Keller alluded to in \u00a0the quote above. \u00a0Terrified Joseph would now punish them since their father had died, his brothers come and plead for mercy. He said these memorable words, knowing that without their treachery and evil acts he could never have been used in the miraculous way he was:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3>You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. \u00a0(Genesis 50:20, NIV)<\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Do you know God? Do you trust him? Then as you enter the fire you too can know that he is with you. \u00a0If you hold onto the Gospel, you can believe that the God who gave you Jesus will surely not bring ultimate harm on you. In fact, God will make the furnace itself a place of blessing. Keller picks this point up:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIf you believe in Jesus and you rest in him, then suffering will relate to your character like fire relates to gold. Think of four things that we want. Do you want to <strong>know who you are<\/strong>, your strengths and weaknesses? Do you want to be<strong> a <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/09\/professionalism-vs-compassion\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">compassionate<\/a> person<\/strong> who skillfully helps people who are hurting? Do you want to have such <strong>a profound trust in God<\/strong> that you are fortified against the disappointments of life? Do you want simply to be <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2009\/09\/final-post-on-wisdom\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>wise about how life goes<\/strong><\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>Those are <strong>four c<\/strong><span class=\"text_exposed_show\"><strong>rucial things to have\u2014but none of them are readily achievable without suffering<\/strong>. There is no way to know who you really are until you are tested. There is no way to really empathize and sympathize with other suffering people unless you have suffered yourself. There is <strong>no way to really learn how to trust in God until you are drowning<\/strong>.\u201d \u2013\u00a0<\/span>Tim Keller, <em>\u00a0Walking with God through Pain and Suffering\u00a0<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Elsewhere he comes back to this notion that suffering is like a furnace:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIf you go into the furnace without the gospel, it will not be possible to find God in there. You will be sure he has done terrible wrong or you have and you will feel all alone. Going into the fire without the gospel is the most dangerous thing anyone can do. You will be mad at God, or mad at yourself, or mad at both.<\/p>\n<p>But if you say to yourself when you get thrown into the furnace, \u201cThis is my furnace. I am not being punished for my sins, because Jesus was thrown into that ultimate fire for me. And so if he went through that greatest fire steadfastly for me, I can go through this smaller furnace steadfastly for him. And I also know it means that if I trust in him, this furnace will only make me better.\u201d \u00a0\u2013\u00a0Tim Keller,\u00a0<em>Walking with God through Pain and Suffering.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think that this is perhaps the one place in the book where I would have a very slight disagreement with Keller. \u00a0Perhaps you are in the middle of a season of suffering. And maybe you have never been a Christian, or your hold on the gospel has become so lose that right now you are in the first without the gospel. You are in the fire without hope. \u00a0You may indeed feel mad at God, or mad at yourself or both. But, and I am sure that Keller would not disagree with this, <strong>it IS in fact possible to find God in the middle of the fire<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-30469\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2018\/07\/dollartrust-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\">You who do not know God now can turn towards him. \u00a0You can be like the prodigal son coming to his senses. \u00a0You can \u201cwake up\u201d and realise that you are cleaning out pigswill when you could be in the presence of your father. \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/09\/hope-in-suffering\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">A small glimmer of hope<\/a> may enter into you, and you simply start to read the Bible. <strong>The book of psalms and the gospel of John<\/strong> would be the two places that I point fellow sufferers to as they are the two places that I have found the most comfort from personally at such times. \u00a0An old preacher used to dare his hearers to read the Gospel of John without by the end of it coming to believe in and love the amazing person of Jesus. The Jesus who understands. The Jesus who volunteered for suffering far greater than you or I could ever experience. And who did it for you. Because he wants you to be with him forever!<\/p>\n<p>As you take one small step towards God, just like the Father in the story of the prodigal son, <strong>he will come running towards you<\/strong>. Of course the son was walking home for perhaps days or even weeks before he finally met the Father. And it may take you a long time to get close to God.<\/p>\n<p>But you do have a choice. \u00a0<strong>Some face suffering and turn away from God altogether<\/strong>. \u00a0They lose their faith and yet retain an anger against the God they no longer believe in. \u00a0Often an angry Atheist has a reason to be angry. \u00a0But others will see <strong>suffering as an opportunity to turn towards God<\/strong>. To pray however falteringly. And to learn to trust in God. <strong>Prayer is literally life saving<\/strong>. \u00a0And yet we so often struggle in it. \u00a0No wonder <a href=\"https:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/05\/jesus-commands-pray-like-this\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Jesus taught us how to pray.<\/a>\u00a0 And perhaps right now he is calling you to <em>really<\/em> pray for the first time ever in your life.<\/p>\n<p>It seems that this is a good place to leave it. \u00a0But since we have seen how important prayer is, I think I will pause my reverse review of Keller\u2019s book here for now, and write some more posts about how Jesus commands us to pray. \u00a0But I will return to Keller, God-willing.<\/p>\n<h2>Find out More<\/h2>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"jjDlAaBCMN\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/12\/ten-commandments-of-jesus\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Ten Commandments of Jesus<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cTen Commandments of Jesus\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2018\/12\/ten-commandments-of-jesus\/embed\/#?secret=LjxDf515Ya#?secret=jjDlAaBCMN\" data-secret=\"jjDlAaBCMN\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"NCcunZqGRc\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Thinking, thanking, and loving<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cThinking, thanking, and loving\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/11\/thinking-thanking-and-loving\/embed\/#?secret=2e9bHxYhov#?secret=NCcunZqGRc\" data-secret=\"NCcunZqGRc\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Ilh5a9omAu\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/10\/be-still-and-know\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Be still and know \u2013 a meditation track<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cBe still and know \u2013 a meditation track\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/10\/be-still-and-know\/embed\/#?secret=W4tNrBZRH0#?secret=Ilh5a9omAu\" data-secret=\"Ilh5a9omAu\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"TI5yVueIpj\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/09\/hope-in-suffering\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Hope in Suffering<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHope in Suffering\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/09\/hope-in-suffering\/embed\/#?secret=ci0LNa3vGI#?secret=TI5yVueIpj\" data-secret=\"TI5yVueIpj\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"urZnOnAFNm\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/11\/giving-thanks-suffering-not\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Giving Thanks IN Your Suffering, Not FOR It<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cGiving Thanks IN Your Suffering, Not FOR It\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2017\/11\/giving-thanks-suffering-not\/embed\/#?secret=VP3e9MoBH4#?secret=urZnOnAFNm\" data-secret=\"urZnOnAFNm\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"kkHtPBIsj6\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/05\/jesus-commands-pray-like-this\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Jesus commands: Pray Like This<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cJesus commands: Pray Like This\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/05\/jesus-commands-pray-like-this\/embed\/#?secret=XD2XgdR99S#?secret=kkHtPBIsj6\" data-secret=\"kkHtPBIsj6\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"WNqjkBX2PD\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/06\/pray-always-jesus\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cPray Always\u201d \u2013 Jesus<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201c\u201cPray Always\u201d \u2013 Jesus\u201d \u2014 Adrian Warnock\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2019\/06\/pray-always-jesus\/embed\/#?secret=pLEf8QnpgF#?secret=WNqjkBX2PD\" data-secret=\"WNqjkBX2PD\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h2>\u00a0Listen to Adrian\u2019s Podcast<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Interviews, personal reflections, meditation, debates, sermons, training<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/3RszyufQNlVXTy1tZjRvIl?si=ZGGyQv1tQlCETPpl10nRgg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-32892\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/11\/spotify-button-944x325-300x103.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"203\" height=\"70\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/podcast\/adrian-warnocks-podcast\/id1484098756\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-32877\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/11\/38F5AD73-C1D8-45EB-B6CF-572E91B04343-300x62.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"340\" height=\"70\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy9mODU4MDY4L3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-32883\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/11\/408844D5-CFB1-45A9-B8F3-2FD4F41B5C16-e1572741503331.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"273\" height=\"70\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/adrian-warnock\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-32880\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/11\/83CE4791-C470-4F3B-871B-E819FAB1EB06-e1572734159427.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"186\" height=\"68\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/s\/f858068\/podcast\/rss\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-32886\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2019\/11\/83EFC272-B1DD-4A2E-A06A-166829C172FD-e1572734100728.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"205\" height=\"68\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h3>Coming soon (God willing) : the rest of the series \u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/tag\/jesus-commands\/\" target=\"_blank\">Jesus Commands<\/a>\u201d<\/h3>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/tag\/jesus-commands\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-27379 size-medium aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/298\/2017\/12\/tombstone-2331172_1920-e1514720860537-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" data-pagespeed-url-hash=\"1901887983\"><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Jesus said that if you\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/tag\/jesus-commands\/\" target=\"_blank\">obey him<\/a> your life will be established on a firm foundation when the storms come.<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Adrian hopes to be able to return to blogging more regularly soon.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Follow the <a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/tag\/jesus-commands\/\" target=\"_blank\">link<\/a>\u00a0to read all the\u00a0articles, or subscribe to our\u00a0newsletter to be notified as they are published. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Complete the form in the top of the right hand column, or below if you are visiting on a mobile device.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Trust Him and Pray. 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I am the author of the Transformed by Jesus: Spiritual Renewal series of books, which ask: \u2192 Is the Easter story true, and what does it mean? Raised With Christ: How the Resurrection Changes Everything \u2192 Why is change so difficult? What causes the resistance? The Traitor Within: Understanding and Healing Our Deceitful Hearts \u2192 How does transformation happen over time? Amazing Grace: How Faith Grows in the Human Heart \u2192 What are the first steps on a journey of faith? Hope Reborn: How to Become a Christian and Live for Jesus These books bring together medical, psychological, social, and faith-based insights, advocating for a biopsychosocial\u2013spiritual model of wellbeing. My qualifications and training reflect this integrated background: \u2192 British MB BS medical degree (equivalent to an MD in the USA) \u2192 Postgraduate qualifications in Psychiatry (MRCPsych) and Pharmaceutical Medicine (MFFM, DipPharmMed) \u2192 Theological training courses run by Newfrontiers","sameAs":["http:\/\/patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/adrianwarnockpage\/","https:\/\/twitter.com\/adrianwarnock"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/author\/awarnock\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32838","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1268"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=32838"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32838\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/25738"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=32838"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=32838"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=32838"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}