{"id":6444,"date":"2009-10-23T17:42:00","date_gmt":"2009-10-23T17:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/adrianwarnock.com\/2009\/10\/john-piper-the-charismatic\/"},"modified":"2018-01-15T14:24:04","modified_gmt":"2018-01-15T14:24:04","slug":"john-piper-charismatic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/adrianwarnock\/2009\/10\/john-piper-charismatic\/","title":{"rendered":"John Piper The Charismatic"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>John Piper\u2019s website has many places where he reveals a charismatic or as some call it continuationist perspective.  Earlier in the week he argued that even in the New Testament the gifts of the Spirit were non-authoritative and inferior to the Apostles teaching:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The apostles viewed their teaching as from God in an authoritative, inerrant way. All of the spiritual gifts are from God in a non-authoritative, non-inerrant way, and therefore always subordinate to the inspired word of God.  <a href=\"http:\/\/ow.ly\/v7OF\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">READ MORE<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you are interested in more from Piper on this, he also posted a while back a sermon on  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/ResourceLibrary\/Sermons\/ByDate\/1991\/746_How_Signs_and_Wonders_Helped_Add_Multitudes_to_the_Lord\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">signs and wonders<\/a> in the 1990s and fascinatingly back in the 1980s took a \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/ResourceLibrary\/TasteAndSee\/ByDate\/1984\/3183_Testing_Bethlehems_Charismatic_Quotient\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">charismatic quotient<\/a>\u201d of his church.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>John Piper\u2019s website has many places where he reveals a charismatic or as some call it continuationist perspective. 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