{"id":248,"date":"2008-08-17T18:16:34","date_gmt":"2008-08-17T18:16:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/akramsrazor\/2008\/08\/17\/some-thoughts-on-tony-campolo-jim-wallis-and-hijab\/"},"modified":"2013-05-07T18:36:56","modified_gmt":"2013-05-07T23:36:56","slug":"some-thoughts-on-tony-campolo-jim-wallis-and-hijab","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/akramsrazor\/2008\/08\/some-thoughts-on-tony-campolo-jim-wallis-and-hijab\/","title":{"rendered":"Some thoughts on Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis and hijab"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Thought I'd share this naughty but deeply inspired and profound quip<br>\nfrom progressive evangelical pastor Tony Campolo, whose wonderful book <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Speaking-My-Mind-Evangelical-Christians\/dp\/0849918170\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Speaking My Mind: The Radical Evangelical Prophet Tackles The Tough Issues Christians Are Afraid To Face<\/em><\/a> I'm reading at the moment.<\/p>\n<p>According to a profile on him in<a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/ct\/2003\/january\/1.32.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Christianity Today:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\"I<br>\nhave three things I'd like to say today,\" he famously began many<br>\nspeeches in the 1980s. \"First, while you were sleeping last night,<br>\n30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition.<br>\nSecond, most of you don't give a s\u2014. What's worse is that you're more<br>\nupset with the fact that I said s\u2014 than the fact that 30,000 kids died<br>\nlast night.\"<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Let us count the ways similarly myopic priorities are found in the Muslim (and indeed any religious) community, as well.\n<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to my having just happened to re-read my old post, \"<a href=\"http:\/\/akramsrazor.typepad.com\/islam_america\/2007\/03\/salafis_kalam_a.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Salafis, Kalam, complexity, and hijab<\/a>\" after I noticed an incoming link to it, the first thing that pops to mind is tha old favorite, <em>hijab<\/em>.\u00a0<br>\nThe only time some Muslims pay attention to the needs and rights of<br>\ntheir sisters\u00a0 is when hijab is at stake. Otherwise, out of sight, out of mind. <\/p>\n<p>\nThen there's the paradox in some cases of Islamic dress sometimes making<br>\nwomen less visible and in a sense comfortable in the community due to<br>\nimported cultural hang-ups that don't make sense in a society where<br>\nMuslims are a minority. <\/p>\n<p>Things have improved dramatically in recent years, but take the way how in some more conservative MSAs, young men<br>\nsometimes reward Muslimahs for bucking the tide of American culture and<br>\ndressing modestly (no small feat in most <strike>nudist colonies<\/strike>\u2026sorry\u2026college<br>\ncampuses) by completely ignoring them\u2013to the extent of not even making<br>\neye contact with women who are dressed conservatively and cover their hair\u2013in the name of modesty<br>\nwhile interacting freely and warmly (reluctantly, of course\u2013this is strictly for the sake of Dawah) with far less modestly dressed non-Muslim women on campus is well known.<\/p>\n<p>\nI don't think it's conscious in most cases, but in some people's eyes,<br>\nhijab signals to them that culturally inappropriate foreign norms may<br>\nsafely be imposed on community socializing to the exclusion of women.<br>\nWith a non-hijabi, they'd probably feel less entitled to assume those<br>\nmores and treat them more respectfully (in many cases, this eye-aversion thing is not a mark of respect, but a conspicuous display for onlookers and\/or a reminder of the other person's inferior place in the pecking order\u2013people don't avert their gaze from equals). <\/p>\n<p>\nWhich is a really tragic when one's only source of solidarity and spiritual support is<br>\nthat same community, as is often the case on isolated campuses. For many Muslims<br>\nin this country\u2013especially those living outside major<br>\nmetropoles\u2013one's local mosque or MSA is for all practical purposes <em>the<br>\n<\/em>Ummah, at least until they move. If that particular institution is cold<br>\nand unwelcoming to women\u2013as my mother, a Danish convert to Islam,<br>\nfound the main mosques in Boston to be in the 1970s\u2013because of imported<br>\ncultural hangups, then you have an extremely serious problem. <\/p>\n<p>\nImagine a church whose members wave warmly to passersby and encourage them to come in, but then<br>\nignore 50% of new members once they enter the building. It's perverse<br>\nand incredibly self-defeating, but what's new.\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>For the record, this pessimistic picture is thankfully outdated as regards many communities today. (I remember when a<br>\ndecade ago earnest, long-bearded uncles busted an informal and very chaste Muslim singles events<br>\nat <a href=\"http:\/\/www.isna.net\/conferences.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Islamic Society of North America, America's largest Muslim organization\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">ISNA<\/a> as if they'd uncovered an orgy; now, such things are<br>\nwidely supported at the highest levels.) Organizations and leaders<br>\nhave grown and evolved dramatically on many previous hot button issues in recent years.\n<\/p>\n<p>But values that once reigned supreme in many places can't disappear<br>\novernight, so you can be sure these attitudes are still out there and<br>\nin need of scrutiny.<\/p>\n<p>\nAnyway, went on a bit more than intended on that. <\/p>\n<p>I recommend Campolo's book<br>\n(which includes a chapter refuting the claim that<br>\nChristians should consider Islam evil and many other valuable insights). <\/p>\n<p>\nAnd Jim Wallis' <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Great-Awakening-Reviving-Politics-Post-Religious\/dp\/0060558296\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Great Awakening: Reviving Faith and Politics in a Post-Religious Right America<\/a><\/em>,<br>\nfor that matter. I found that quite enlightening and heartening, too.<br>\nWallis argues that a systemic shift is underway among evangelicals away<br>\nfrom the cold, hardline ideologues of the Christian Right. <\/p>\n<p>\nLet's hope he's right and that this changing of the guard happens<br>\nbefore these \"Left Behind\" types reduce the planet to a smoking heap in the name<br>\nof the Prince of Peace.<\/p>\n<p>Scorn is really poured on people like Campolo and Wallis by movement evangelicals for, among other things, daring to show respect for Islam. <\/p>\n<p>Take this <a href=\"http:\/\/http:\/\/thinkerup.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/tony-campolo-quotes.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">post<\/a> listing \"scandalous\" statements along these lines.\u00a0 [I submitted a comment commenting on how the Christian Right's methods in critiquing people like Campolo remind me of the kneejerk literalism of old school Wahhabism, btw.]<\/p>\n<p>I find it fascinating how the quotes presented in the link above\u2013most of which are from a modern Christian perspective to be debatable but at the same time quite defensible\u2013are presented a self-evident proof that require no analysis or context to be properly grasped. (Perhaps that's because to engage in analysis would show how tenuous these assumptions really are? Another parallel with Wahhabism!)<\/p>\n<p>P.S. Here's the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/thinkerup.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/tony-campolo-quotes.html#5522623108847520528\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/thinkerup.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/tony-campolo-quotes.html#5522623108847520528\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">comment<\/a> I left (which to the guy's credit was not deleted), which of course rejects Muslim exclusivism no less. With the possible exception of the guy who invented Speedos, I don't do eternal hell. Don't think it's in the Quran or Hadith. (And a minority of scholars has always agreed.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 40px\"><em>As a Muslim, I have to say that your theological criticisms remind me of the doctrinaire smugness of Wahhabis.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I say the same thing to you that I say to closed minded Muslims who assume that only Muslims are saved: Why are you so miserly with God's mercy, and where do you get off assuming that your narrow debatable interpretations are the only conceivable conclusions on such complex issues?<\/p>\n<p>It's fascinating how ferociously many Christian bloggers on the right react to his olive branch to Islam. Apparently, hatred of Islam is truly an article of a faith for a lot of you.<\/p>\n<p>This doesn't have to be a zero sum game, you know. One can believe in the truth and perfection of one religion (as I do Islam) without assuming that it necessarily entails the complete exclusion of all other belief systems and that, therefore, adherents of other faiths are abandoned by God. (The Quran, incidentally, constantly and conspicuously couples faith with good deeds and explicitly says that all will be rewarded for their actions, good as well as bad, in the next life. It doesn't say only Muslims will be rewarded.)<\/p>\n<p>Also, seems to me that your assumption that God is so curtailed by time, space &amp; the vagaries of circumstance that He could never save a person who didn't say the \"magic words\" is both impious and ironic given your criticisms of Catholicism for its emphasis on Works.<\/p>\n<p>Aren't you reducing faith to works here? Do you believe faith in God\/Christ is some kind of vending machine, or do really believe that God works in mysterious ways that sometimes are beyond our understanding?<\/p>\n<p>I for one don't think you're going to Hell. In my view, you're quite mistaken about Christ's divinity\u2013he was a prophet, you know :-)\u2013but that doesn't mean you're lost in and of itself.<\/p>\n<p>Such a more nuanced position to truth is admittedly hard for some people to understand, but then so's Quantum Mechanics. Complexity doesn't disqualify truth.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe you should cut Campolo some more slack and stop playing the Pharisee. He might understand something about Christ's message that you have yet to grasp fully.<\/p>\n<p>In any case, he's a lot less likely to unleash World War III than the guys you seem to be holding up as standard bearers of Christian orthodoxy.<\/p>\n<p>Peace.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 40px\"><em><br><\/em><\/p>\n\n<p>PPS\u00a0 For the record, when I referred to \"closed minded Muslims who assume that only Muslims are saved,\" I was referring to Muslims who parallel these Islamophobes, ie Muslims who go beyond honest acknowledgments of doctrinal differences and sink into demonizing\u00a0 non-Muslims. <\/p>\n<p>I certainly think that to believe that God damns all non-believers is ultimately a closed-minded (and in the case of Islam unwarranted) conclusion, but it doesn't follow that a person who subscribes to that position for one reason or another is closed minded, especially if they are unaware of competing interpretations. <\/p>\n<p>End of legal disclaimer.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thought I&#8217;d share this naughty but deeply inspired and profound quip from progressive evangelical pastor Tony Campolo, whose wonderful book Speaking My Mind: The Radical Evangelical Prophet Tackles The Tough Issues Christians Are Afraid To Face I&#8217;m reading at the moment. 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