{"id":247909,"date":"2021-02-24T22:04:02","date_gmt":"2021-02-25T02:04:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/albertlittle\/?p=247909"},"modified":"2021-02-24T22:04:02","modified_gmt":"2021-02-25T02:04:02","slug":"098-is-the-papacy-true-w-joe-heschmeyer-dr-gavin-ortlund-and-austin-suggs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/albertlittle\/098-is-the-papacy-true-w-joe-heschmeyer-dr-gavin-ortlund-and-austin-suggs\/","title":{"rendered":"098: Is the Papacy True? (w\/ Joe Heschmeyer, Dr. Gavin Ortlund, and Austin Suggs)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-247912\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/573\/2021\/02\/099-Papacy-Crossover.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p>In our second\u00a0 crossover episode, I\u2019m joined by Austin Suggs from Gospel Simplicity as we host an incredible conversation with Joe Heschmeyer and Dr. Gavin Ortlund on the papacy: The Pope.<\/p>\n<p>Did Christ intend to establish a Church with the Pope at its head? What do we find in the Early Church Fathers? Did the first Christians believe in a Pope? Is\u00a0 it clear from the Bible? Tradition?<\/p>\n<p>These questions, and many more, are tackled in this sprawling and deeply engaging conversation between two incredibly cordial, articulate, and intelligent Christian thinkers. 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