{"id":3494,"date":"2021-09-24T13:53:34","date_gmt":"2021-09-24T19:53:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/allsetfree\/?p=3494"},"modified":"2021-09-24T13:53:34","modified_gmt":"2021-09-24T19:53:34","slug":"alisa-childers-just-doesnt-get-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/allsetfree\/2021\/09\/alisa-childers-just-doesnt-get-it\/","title":{"rendered":"Alisa Childers Just Doesn&#8217;t Get It"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_3499\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3499\" style=\"width: 847px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=i610crcaLaw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-3499\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/821\/2021\/09\/childers-1024x575.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"847\" height=\"476\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3499\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Courtesy of YouTube<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>If you don\u2019t know who Alisa Childers is, then let me enlighten you. Alisa is a fairly popular <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/alisachilders\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">YouTuber<\/a> who has built a decently extensive platform as a conservative Christian apologist. To date, she has over 121K subscribers. And I can see why. The audio\/video production is quality. The graphics pop. Alisa is articulate and pretty damn smart. And so are many of her guests.<\/p>\n<p>So, what\u2019s the problem then?<\/p>\n<p>Well, without knowing her personally, I can only speculate; but the first issue I see is that she is wildly inconsistent. The second is that she doesn\u2019t seem all that intellectually honest. For all of her railing against Progressive Christianity, she doesn\u2019t seem interested in representing things fairly. That is to say, after watching a dozen or so of her agenda-driven videos, she seems to only enjoy partaking in the lowest hanging fruit.<\/p>\n<p>Take, for instance, her video entitled <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=i610crcaLaw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">\u201cThe difference between Progressive and Historic Christianity with\/Capturing Christianity.\u201d<\/a> In it, she sucks you in by getting <em>some<\/em> initial things kind of correct, before completely going off the rails. For instance, when contrasting Progressive Christianity with \u201chistoric Christianity\u201d \u2013 already a poisoning of the well \u2013 she says that for progressives, it\u2019s not so much about what is believed, but about how two believers can grow together. In her words:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cYou can have two Progressive Christians that might disagree on the resurrection \u2013 one might affirm it, one might not \u2013 and they\u2019re perfectly fine to be in <em>unity<\/em> with each other because it\u2019s really not about the specifics of what you believe. It\u2019s about growing together and discovering what Christianity is gonna mean now in today\u2019s world.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>On the surface, this all sounds fine and dandy. But there are problems with how Childers presents things. First off, the inconsistency: For all her railing against how intolerant Progressive Christians are, she then seems to contradict herself in admitting that of primary importance is unity. So, which is it? Is it all about unity and tolerance, or are progressives intolerant, like Childers says in so many other places?<\/p>\n<p>Worse yet is that Childers pits \u201cprogressive\u201d against \u201chistoric\u201d as if the two can\u2019t live in harmony. But she never does this with \u201cconservative\u201d and \u201chistoric.\u201d This is the intellectually dishonest part. She would never admit that many Progressive Christians are also theologically aligned with many of the Patristic fathers, from atonement to eschatology to Universal salvation to Christology and beyond. But that doesn\u2019t fit her narrative, so she stands firm in the false dichotomy of \u201cprogressive vs. historic.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Digging deeper, let me ask this: How is disagreeing while remaining in unity <i>not<\/i>\u00a0historic Christianity? Sure, historic Christians \u2013 for our purposes, let\u2019s say the first, second, and third-century Christians \u2013 had their beliefs, their creedal statements, their doctrines, but did they also not disagree greatly?<\/p>\n<p>Yes, they did.<\/p>\n<p>Just compare the Apostles\u2019 Creed and the Nicene Creed. In the video, Alisa says she affirms both, but if you look at them closely, you\u2019ll notice that they are different. Of course, I have no problem with this; I just point it out to suggest that theology <em>did<\/em> shift in some way; it <em>did<\/em> progress.<\/p>\n<p>Also, compare the Johannine community with other early Jesus-following communities. They will be different. In fact, in the Johannine community, they had their own internal struggles \u2013 in addition to struggles with those outside of it \u2013 mainly based on Christological differences. This struggle is no doubt okay; I just point it out to again show that from the get-go, there are major theological differences.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, compare Paul\u2019s Gospel with the Gospel of James, Peter, and the Jerusalem Church. They are starkly different. Just read Galatians and see how pissed off Paul is about the matter. He goes so far as to call it a false gospel delivered by false teachers. Not exactly the theological unity many apologists like to suggest was present from day one.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, for many \u201chistoric\u201d Christians \u2013 including Paul \u2013 one primary goal among others was to continue to be unified for the sake of Christ. That\u2019s why Paul basically says if you want to eat kosher, eat kosher, but just don\u2019t expect Gentiles to do the same. And if you are gonna get circumcised, get circumcised, but just don\u2019t make others do it. In this sense, then, Paul was both \u201cprogressive\u201d and \u201chistoric.\u201d He was historic because he lived in the first century and was the one initially charged with bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles. He also made it clear that certain beliefs were of utmost importance (see 1 Corinthians 15). But he was also \u201cprogressive\u201d in that he believed two people could have different beliefs about something and still be united in Christ. Jew or Gentile didn\u2019t matter. Male or female didn\u2019t matter. Kosher or non-kosher didn\u2019t matter. Circumcised or uncircumcised didn\u2019t matter. Unity mattered.<\/p>\n<p>And speaking of Paul, this is where Childers\u2019 is at her most dishonest. In the aforementioned video, she flippantly says how Progressive Christians \u201cdon\u2019t really like Paul very much.\u201d Well, that might be true of some, but again, it\u2019s low-hanging fruit. I, for one, have gone so far as to read books on Paul that\u00a0 I can barely understand. I\u2019ve read Douglas Campbell\u2019s 1,200 page tome <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Deliverance-God-Apocalyptic-Rereading-Justification\/dp\/0802870732\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">The Deliverance of God<\/a><\/em>. It seems half of it is in Koine Greek, but I still muddled through. I\u2019ve also read J. Louis Martyn\u2019s <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Galatians-Anchor-Yale-Bible-Commentaries\/dp\/0300139853\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Galatians<\/a><\/em>. Not easy reads. But if I didn\u2019t like Paul, I wouldn\u2019t read them.<\/p>\n<p>A more honest thing to say would be something like, \u201cProgressive Christians don\u2019t think Paul got everything right.\u201d That would be a more fair assessment, but Childers doesn\u2019t really seem interested in fair. She\u2019s an apologist, and her entire platform \u2013 121k subscribers and growing \u2013 seems more well-defined by what she is <em>not<\/em>: a progressive.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, she would never admit this. In fact, in the video I referenced above, her understanding of historic Christianity is basically this: the affirmation of the creed in 1 Corinthians 15. You know, the one about how the Scriptures affirm the resurrection.<\/p>\n<p>No doubt, Childers has every right to affirm this, but many Progressive Christians would also affirm everything in 1 Corinthians 15. In fact, many of us would take that chapter much more literally than any of the fire and brimstone Christians. We would take Paul at his word when he says that <em>all<\/em> will be made alive in Christ (v. 22) so that God can be <em>all<\/em> in <em>all<\/em>. Not some. All. I\u2019m guessing Childers wouldn\u2019t go that far, but because I\u2019m a Progressive, I\u2019m okay with that.<\/p>\n<p>At the end of the day, I guess my main point is that Alisa Childers, for all of her polish and linguistic ability, isn\u2019t really saying anything. She constantly pits Progressive Christianity against \u201creal\u201d Christianity, and in doing so, misses the entire point. Like Sean McDowell, who I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/allsetfree\/2021\/09\/a-response-to-sean-mcdowell-and-dr-george-yancey\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">commented on in a recent post<\/a>, her entire schtick seems to be this: \u201c<em>We<\/em> are the real Christians; Progressives aren\u2019t.\u201d But what they both fail to realize is that many Progressives affirm all the things they say are required to be an \u201chistoric\u201d Christian: resurrection, repentance, faith in Christ, respect of the Scriptures, and so on. And yet, they still malign and misrepresent, all while building a pretty large following on multiple social media platforms. Consider me not surprised, nor impressed.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>If you wanna get to know me better, please follow me on social media. 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