Rotten Tomatoes<\/a>, some of the critics are saying, \u201cYou know what, nothing\u2019s resolved in this movie. He doesn\u2019t provide answers. He doesn\u2019t tell us anything that we already don\u2019t know. And he didn\u2019t find Osama.\u201d Well intentioned, but nothing revelatory.<\/b><\/p>\nSuper Size Me<\/i> at the time got a lot of the same criticism. But at the same time, Super Size Me<\/i> reached an audience that didn\u2019t consume news everyday and didn\u2019t know everything that was happening all over the world. I think we\u2019ve unplugged and become very apathetic to a lot of things that are happening. There\u2019s so much going on and we\u2019re sort of disconnected. Even for the people who are already media savvy, who read the New York Times everyday, there\u2019s still something new in here. There\u2019s a great chance for this to sort of bridge a gap.<\/p>\n
I spoke to a woman who went to a screening and took her 14 year old son to the movie. And she is a media hound \u2013 reads everything, knows everything, watches the news. Her son plays in a rock band with his friends, plays video games everyday, has no clue what\u2019s going on. Afterwards she said, \u201cI want to thank you because I had the first political discussion about what\u2019s happening in the world with my son after seeing your movie.\u201d That\u2019s a fantastic thing to hear.<\/p>\n
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This movie is mainstream entertainment that actually shows Muslims as human beings, not caricatures. And it seemed that the Muslim enemies weren\u2019t devils, didn\u2019t have horns on their heads. They were very opinionated \u2013 most of them I didn\u2019t agree with, some of them I did. It seems that the title should be, \u201cWho Cares Where\u2019s Osama.\u201d Am I right?<\/b><\/p>\n
I think that\u2019s what starts to come out toward the end of the movie. <\/p>\n
Why do you think most of the Muslims you interviewed throughout the world just don\u2019t care whether he lives or dies? This could be a heavy discussion in the sense that they say, \u201cEven if he dies, it doesn\u2019t change anything\u201d and \u201cWho cares where he is? It doesn\u2019t matter. That\u2019s not the problem.\u201d And then here we have the video of certain people saying, \u201cOsama, Osama, Zawahiri, Zawahiri,\u201d etc. So what\u2019s the disconnect? Why this feeling?<\/b><\/p>\n
There\u2019s a great line from the guy in the Palestinian Territories who says, \u201cWe all hate Osama bin Laden because he gives a bad name to Islam.\u201d One of the things that I think hasn\u2019t happened is that you haven\u2019t heard from this silent majority. And it is the majority of people that we spoke to over the course of this film. They don\u2019t agree with Osama and hate his guts. They think he does not represent their religion. They believe he misinterpreted it and taken it to a level that none of them think should be happening. <\/p>\n
The question is why don\u2019t we hear from them more? Why don\u2019t we see them more? Even in the media, there\u2019s this hard line of news that \u201cif it bleeds, it leads.\u201d If somebody is saying, \u201cWe\u2019re all the same. I\u2019m just like you,\u201d that\u2019s nice and all, but that doesn\u2019t sell papers.<\/p>\n
The movie focuses, like you said, more on the human side instead of the political\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n
There\u2019s a lot of political discussions. For me, the best moments are ones when people open up their homes to me. We were shooting during Ramadan, and I was fasting to build a bridge\u2026<\/p>\n
How was that like?<\/b><\/p>\n
I didn\u2019t make it. <\/p>\n
It\u2019s the water, right?<\/b><\/p>\n
That\u2019s the worst part. Here we are, in the middle of the desert shooting in 100 degrees and you can\u2019t drink all day. It\u2019s rough. I made it about 3 weeks. I did alright. I owed 8 days.<\/p>\n
That\u2019s still impressive though. There\u2019s this one scene where you as a filmmaker come out with a political side. You show an amusing animation of the Shah of Iran, Saddam was in there, Pinochet, and you have Uncle Sam. For those of us who know American history, we know what this is about. But how many Americans do you think know about this part of our foreign policy history and do you think, when you do it through animation, will it educate them, push them off, all of the above\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n
Probably all of the above. I think there will be a lot of people who see it who have no idea of the depth of that. I think a lot of us just don\u2019t know. When you show the animation, a lot of people will see it and will be upset (at the content) and others will upset with me that it\u2019s even in there. But just to have a talking head discuss this \u2013 it\u2019s very dry, it\u2019s very boring. When you see the Statue of Liberty shaking her groove thing for President Mubarak, it\u2019s a little more amusing.<\/p>\n
So why do Muslims hate America?<\/b><\/p>\n
I don\u2019t think Muslims do hate America. I think that\u2019s what we hear and that\u2019s what we believe. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s true. I think most Muslims are incredibly upset with the state of our foreign policy today and the state of the world. Even pre-9\/11 to where we are now, post-9\/11, I don\u2019t think its just happened in the last seven years, although what has happened hasn\u2019t helped. But there\u2019s a variety of things that upsets people and when you see the clips in the film, you see what people are angry about. <\/p>\n
We did an interview with Mike Shoyer, who\u2019s the former head of the Bin Laden unit at the CIA and one of the things that he said that happened is that people realize in the Middle East, rather than attack their own countries, they should attack the protectors of these countries \u2013 which is the United States. So that\u2019s when a lot of hatred really began to develop towards the US in the places where we go to \u2013 Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, you name it. And people look at the regimes that are in power there as being puppet governments that are being supported and backed by the United States. And they look at it as being unfair. <\/p>\n
Let\u2019s say Muslims in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or in these countries with puppet governments. What do they want? What do Muslims want? From life, from the world\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n
I think the one thing we talk about in the film is that people want things to be fair. They want things that we all want. They want to be able to get jobs, they want to be able to provide for their families. They want to be able to have free speech and say what they want and know they\u2019re not going to end up in jail, like a guy that we interviewed in Egypt named Saad Ibrahim \u2013 he\u2019s going to be on the DVD, but he\u2019s not in the film \u2013 he was in jail for years for speaking out about Mubarak and the election process and he was tortured and jailed. So, these people, they want fairness. That\u2019s it. <\/p>\n
They also realize\u2026 they\u2019re not blind to the idea that there are still people out there who will act out in a certain way that will potentially damage their own views, which is what has happened. <\/p>\n
There\u2019s this Gallup poll that was released about a month ago, the world\u2019s largest poll on Muslims. And what they realized was when they interviewed Americans, 57% of them, when asked the question, \u201cDo you have anything good to say about Muslims or Islam?\u201d they said either \u201cNo\u201d or \u201cI don\u2019t know,\u201d compared to Muslims who, when asked the converse question overwhelmingly praised the idea of democracy, free speech, the economy. So why is there this huge disconnect when it comes to this view of the world?<\/b><\/p>\n
Well when we\u2019re talking to people, they would say, \u201cLook, we don\u2019t hate Americans, but we hate your American government. We hate the American foreign policy.\u201d They make a disconnect between the people and the government. I would explain to them that the people elected the government, they\u2019re people we voted for. And they say, \u201cYes, but once people get in power, it\u2019s corrupt and we know how government is.\u201d They all know about corruption. <\/p>\n
And we only see one side of Muslims and Islam and the majority of what we do get to see is the guy who\u2019s screaming and yelling \u201cDeath to America\u201d and burning flags and George Bush in effigy. That\u2019s the lead story. So what\u2019s in the newspaper? Who\u2019s on the front cover? \u201cMuslims caught at this airport, want to kill somebody.\u201d You don\u2019t hear \u201cMuslim saves little girl from burning building.\u201d<\/p>\n
Muslim bakes cookie.<\/b><\/p>\n
Muslim bakes giant cookie, wins contest. Muslim boy scout helps old lady cross the street. The good news vanishes because of the small minority that makes the most noise. <\/p>\n
Like a few other movies, the Jimmy Carter movie Man from Plains<\/a><\/i> for example, you show us what life is like in the Occupied Territories, in the West Bank and Gaza in actual footage, which is rare. Carter said that he thinks that if universities in America sent select students to Palestine, and they come back and write a report and disseminate it, our entire perception of the area would change. As a person who actually went there \u2013 and it\u2019s shown in the movie \u2013 what do you think? Do you think Americans just need to know what\u2019s happening there?<\/b><\/p>\nWell, I think people need to see on both sides. Seeing how the people in the Palestinian Territories can\u2019t move around \u2013 it\u2019s a maze now, with the wall, the road blocks and everything else. It takes you hours to get from one person\u2019s house to your job or to a friend or even to the hospital if someone\u2019s hurt. Then you go into Israel and see in Tel Aviv, where they have 12-18 bomb threats a day, which are real. It completely disrupts their life. Or Sderot where bombs are falling daily from the sky fired by Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. You\u2019re there and it\u2019s difficult to see and it\u2019s hard to imagine. I think the more people that go there and see this \u2013 and go to both sides \u2013 it can only help. I don\u2019t think we\u2019ve had the opportunity to do that.<\/p>\n
In the movie, you show both sides. It seems the majority of individuals understand that the situation is unsustainable for the future. Is that what you got out of\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n
\u2026nearly everyone we spoke to. The question is then, well why can\u2019t it change? We did a great interview with a journalist in Israel, who says, \u201cAll you need is one thing. As many people could want peace as you could possibly imagine, and all you need is one guy to blow up a bomb in Tel Aviv or one settler to hurt a Palestinian in the territories. And all the work you\u2019ve done towards peace will be over.\u201d<\/p>\n
One of the most interesting and surreal parts of the movie was this interview with these two children who look so terrified that they can\u2019t even answer a question without getting approval from the principal. Saudi Arabia is such a schizophrenic society\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n
It\u2019s almost like there\u2019s two societies, there\u2019s this incredibly conservative front. But behind the front, there\u2019s complete Westernization. There\u2019s malls everywhere and people love music, movies. I met guys there who\u2019ve seen Super Size Me<\/i> and they\u2019ve seen the Muslim episode of 30 Days. You can do pretty much anything you want behind closed doors.<\/p>\n
Were you able to ask anyone in Saudi Arabia, very repressive in its policies towards its citizens, yet one of the biggest allies of the United States\u2026 are the Muslims and Arabs that you talked to aware of this hypocritical and fascinating relationship?<\/b><\/p>\n
Oh, yeah. A lot of people that we spoke to said it\u2019s a complete contradiction. They said, \u201cListen, we want things to change, but we can\u2019t change it overnight.\u201d But how long does it take is the question. They don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n
One of my favorite quotes from the movie, because it\u2019s such an ethnic uncle quote, is when you ask an Afghan guy, \u201cWhat do you think of Bush?\u201d and he goes, \u201cFuck him\u2026\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n
And we say, \u201cWe\u2019re looking for Osama bin Laden.\u201d And he says, \u201cWho is that?\u201d \u201cThat\u2019s the guy who blew up the buildings in America.\u201d And then he goes, \u201cFuck him and fuck America.\u201d <\/p>\n
That is a microcosm, it seems, of the overwhelming sense of dislike or apathy for both.<\/b><\/p>\n
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