{"id":290,"date":"2009-09-19T20:13:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-19T20:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2009\/09\/shotgun-blogging-life-karma-labels\/"},"modified":"2009-09-19T20:13:00","modified_gmt":"2009-09-19T20:13:00","slug":"shotgun-blogging-life-karma-labels","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2009\/09\/shotgun-blogging-life-karma-labels.html","title":{"rendered":"Shotgun-blogging, life, karma, labels"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>After the very kind, funny, and ego-inflating mention over at <a href=\"http:\/\/zendirtzendust.blogspot.com\/2009\/09\/profiles-of-buddhist-bloggers.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Zen Dirt, Zen Dust<\/a>, it feels a bit <span style=\"font-style: italic\">wrong<\/span> to blurt out a stream of consciousness \/ here\u2019s what\u2019s going on in my life \/ unedited by the Virgin Mary herself kind of post.  But oh well.<\/p>\n<p>In Life:<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m very happily back together with my girlfriend, <a href=\"http:\/\/julie-thejoyisinthejourney.blogspot.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Julie<\/a>. I still have no idea where I\u2019m going in life, let alone where <span style=\"font-style: italic\">we<\/span> are going, but it just <span style=\"font-style: italic\">works<\/span> in a way that I\u2019m going to hang on to as much as I can. So, as long as she continues to put up with my moody, busy, Buddhisty, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/doc\/200303\/rauch\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">introverted<\/a> shenanigans (to borrow a friend\u2019s term), we\u2019re in good shape. I still feel myself craving both <span style=\"font-style: italic;font-weight: bold\">certainty <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><\/span>and <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic;font-weight: bold\">independence <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">\u2013 haha \u2013 both, upon reflection, being totally <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic;font-weight: bold\">unBuddhist<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>So: relationship = practice.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Also in life, I\u2019m running my first marathon tomorrow<\/span>. I\u2019ve run 2 half-marathons over the years and numerous long runs (20 miles being the longest) over the last month or so in training. <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">But I\u2019m still uneasy.<\/span> Sunday (read my last post) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drpribut.com\/sports\/spknees.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">I tweaked me left knee<\/a> a tiny bit and there is a real possibility of doing long-term damage if I\u2019m not careful tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>Some have even suggested that I simply bag it, recuperate fully, and wait for the next nearby marathon and run that.  When I think of my knee, that sounds great. When I think of the work and determination put into this race, it sounds awful.  Is this me being foolish? Clinging to a mental construct (the ideal race) forged long ago? Or is it determination and fortitude? We learn to \u201csit through the pain\u201d and \u201cjust watch it\u201d in long meditation sessions, only moving when it becomes too much.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">But we all have had times when we pushed just a bit too far and hurt ourselves, especially in physical activity.   <\/span><\/p>\n<p>For now I simply breathe and watch the pain and other sensations. I am also <span style=\"font-style: italic\">setting the conditions<\/span> for healing. Ice, hot bath with Epsom salts, Camphor and Menthol (aka <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tigerbalm.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tiger Balm<\/a>) and an herbal mix made for injured horses (yep, horses).<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center\">~\n<div style=\"text-align: left\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Other things.<\/span>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">KARMA<\/span><\/p>\n<p>A while back, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bodhipaksa.com\/archives\/it-aint-all-karma\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bodhipaksa wrote on the topic of <span style=\"font-style: italic\">karma<\/span><\/a>, which reinvigorated some of my thoughts on the topic. I <a href=\"http:\/\/justininengland.blogspot.com\/2008\/01\/buddhist-ethics-free-will-and-logic-of.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">wrote a bit on the topic<\/a> even further back. My view is that karma\/kamma (<span style=\"font-style: italic\">intentional actions<\/span> in Buddhism) does shape everything in our lives.  And, if we were awakened, we could see just how karma shaped our past and the lives of those around us.<\/p>\n<p>This, to me, is pretty standard Buddhism.<\/p>\n<p>But Bodhipaksa (and the great scholars Peter Harvey and Damien Keown) have all found one sutta in which the Buddha <span style=\"font-style: italic\">seems<\/span> to say there are events in our life that are not due to karma.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, just briefly (hoping to write more deeply about it soon), I think all have misinterpreted this short sutta. The Buddha\u2019s point, I will argue, <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><\/span>is epistemological and not ontological in nature. That is, he is rebuking people for talking about things that they don\u2019t <span style=\"font-style: italic\">know<\/span>, not necessarily speaking falsely about the nature of things.<\/p>\n<p>When we have a stomach ache and <span style=\"font-style: italic\">know for ourselves<\/span> that this is caused by overeating, it is wise to note this.  Too much food \u2013 a physical thing \u2013 has caused the pain, also on the physical side of Buddhist analysis. If we have the awareness to <span style=\"font-style: italic\">know<\/span> that our own intentional actions led to our overeating, <span style=\"font-style: italic\">only then<\/span> is it wise to note this. If we <span style=\"font-style: italic\">do not<\/span> know this and we still say, \u201coh, I\u2019m in pain, it must be my bad karma,\u201d then we are, \u201cgo[ing] beyond what [we] know by [our]selves and what is accepted as true by the world.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Note that he says \u201ctrue by the world\u201d at the end, not <span style=\"font-style: italic\">true by the wise, or the noble <\/span>(ariyans)<span style=\"font-style: italic\">, or the worthy ones<\/span> (arahants\/awakened ones).  When we speak of the condition of things, it is necessary to speak on the level of the world, those around us. <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">It is <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic;font-weight: bold\">wrong <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">in this same way for a physicist to say that my stomach ache is due to Newtonian or quantum physics<\/span>.  In an ontological sense \u2013 speaking of the nature of things \u2013 <span style=\"font-style: italic\">the physicist is right<\/span>! The pain <span style=\"font-style: italic\">is<\/span> caused by atoms and electrons and all that stuff doing what they do. In the same way, the ascetics and Brahmins in the cited sutta are right about karma.<\/p>\n<p>Since Bodhipaksa emphasizes this as a Tibetan or modern Western teaching, I thought I\u2019d toss out a quote I found this week in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dhammastudy.com\/ninabio.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Nina Van Gorkom<\/a>\u2018s book, \u201cAbhidhamma in Daily Life.\u201d It comes from analysis of Therav\u0101din teachings and scholarship through a Thai tradition.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If one is being hit by someone else, the pain one feels is not the vip\u0101ka (result) of the deed performed by the other person. <span>The person who is being hit receives the result of a bad deed he performed himself; for him there is akusala vip\u0101ka through the body-sense.<\/span> The other person\u2019s action is only the proximate cause of his pain\u2026 When we have more understanding of <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">kamma <\/span>and <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">vip\u0101ka <\/span>we will see many events of our life more clearly. (p.27)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Akusala vip\u0101ka<\/span> is the result of unwholesomeness or unskillful action. This is the analysis based on the Buddha\u2019s own words at the very earliest stages of Buddhism. The pain in our stomach is also an <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">akusala vip\u0101ka<\/span>, but it is only right of us to say so if we <span style=\"font-style: italic\">know for ourselves<\/span> that this is the case.<\/p>\n<p>If we do not <span style=\"font-style: italic\">know<\/span> that a particular circumstance is the result of our past karma, good or bad, it is wrong for us to say so. This, I believe, is the point of the cited sutta; not the idea that karma is but one of several (mutually exclusive?) forms of causation.<\/p>\n<p>LABELS<\/p>\n<p>The question of labels and reality have come up on a few people\u2019s blogs lately.  I\u2019m running out of time to write now, but I will say that<span style=\"font-weight: bold\"> labels are important in Buddhism<\/span>. PLEASE, for the love of your own progress on the path to enlightenment, read the Milindapanha. Or at least a carefully abridged version such as that found in Mark Siderits\u2019 book \u201cBuddhism as Philosophy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Labels in the realm of conventional truth are hugely important for <span style=\"font-style: italic\">getting things done<\/span>.  In this realm there <span style=\"font-style: italic\">IS<\/span> truth and falsehood, correct and incorrect things we can say \u2013 conventionally. <a href=\"http:\/\/buddhareform.blogspot.com\/2009\/09\/i-am-peanut-butter-sandwich.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cI am a peanut butter sandwich<\/a>\u201d is a good example (thanks, Kyle, for your humor and being a good sport) of conventional falsehood.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI am hungry, I am tired, I am tall, etc, etc\u201d all are conventionally <span style=\"font-style: italic\">true<\/span>, so long as they refer correctly to the state of things<span style=\"font-style: italic\"> in the world<\/span> (see above remark about Bodhipaksa\u2019s sutta).<\/p>\n<p>Conventional truths are GREAT.  Buddhism is filled with them. So is the rest of our life. A major step forward in life is to live in conventional truth: to speak correctly of things at all times. <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">So I take some exception with the statement in an otherwise <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/zendirtzendust.blogspot.com\/2009\/09\/smile-sit-eat-curry.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">brilliant post at Zen Dirt, Zen Dust<\/a><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">, claiming that \u201cLabels and constructs are, for the most part, a waste of time.\u201d<\/span> (it may be just quibbling on my part, but I do like to emphasize the <span style=\"font-style: italic\">good<\/span> that is done when we use labels correctly)<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, though, we see that conventional truths are filled with a touch of delusion. Ultimately, there is no \u201cI\u201d to be hungry, tired, etc. All of the \u201cstuff\u201d we identify conventionally is really just concepts\/labels placed on our experiences. In ultimate truth there are just the four <span style=\"font-style: italic\">paramatha dhammas <\/span>(ultimate truths or experiences or phenomena), again relying on Van Gorkom\u2019s work.<\/p>\n<p>Exhale. Time to bathe and salt my achy knee and get on the road to Billings for the big run!  Best wishes to all as always!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7907151-5928280824778249177?l=americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After the very kind, funny, and ego-inflating mention over at Zen Dirt, Zen Dust, it feels a bit wrong to blurt out a stream of consciousness \/ here\u2019s what\u2019s going on in my life \/ unedited by the Virgin Mary herself kind of post. But oh well. 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