{"id":385,"date":"2009-03-02T00:56:00","date_gmt":"2009-03-02T00:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2009\/03\/buddhism-philosophy-and-disorders\/"},"modified":"2009-03-02T00:56:00","modified_gmt":"2009-03-02T00:56:00","slug":"buddhism-philosophy-and-disorders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2009\/03\/buddhism-philosophy-and-disorders.html","title":{"rendered":"Buddhism, philosophy and disorders"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Ohh<\/span>, sometimes I so wish I was still living in England\u2026 Perhaps one day I\u2019ll go back as I finish up my doctorate or for post-doc work. Likely not too soon, as all is well here and even with the economy going down, work for me is secure and plentiful.<\/p>\n<p>In any case, this jumped out at me today:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"center\"><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%\">VICES AND DISORDERS<\/span><br><\/strong>LANCASTER UNIVERSITY FRIDAY 13TH MARCH<br>FUNDED BY THE ROYAL INSTITUTE OF PHILOSOPHY AND THE SOCIETY FOR APPLIED PHILOSOPHY<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">The workshop is free and open to all, but places are limited.<br>Please email Rachel Cooper (<a href=\"mailto:r.v.cooper@lancaster.ac.uk\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">r.v.cooper@lancaster.ac.uk<\/a>) to reserve a place. Please note I will be away from the 7<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">th<\/span> \u2013 28<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">th<\/span> Feb, so if you email during this period you may not get a reply until I get back.<\/p>\n<p>10-10.30 Harry Lesser (Manchester) Suppose vice was an illness, illness a vice: what can we learn from Butler\u2019s <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Erewhon<\/span>?<\/p>\n<p>10.30-11.30 <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Havi<\/span> <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Carel<\/span> (<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">UWE<\/span>) The phenomenology of eating disorders<\/p>\n<p>11.45-12.45 Chris <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Megone<\/span> (Leeds) Vices and disorders \u2013 a <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">neo<\/span>-Aristotelian view.<\/p>\n<p>2-3 Tim <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Chappell<\/span> (Open) Who can we blame?<\/p>\n<p>3-4 Christian <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Perring<\/span> (<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Dowling<\/span> College, USA) The moral responsibility of people with mental illnesses for their actions<\/p>\n<p>4.15-5 Edward Harcourt (Oxford) Madness, badness and immaturity in psychoanalysis<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>All of them fall well into my blended areas of interest in <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a> ethics, philosophy, and psychology.<\/strong> Those who read my blog often know I\u2019ve long been interested in issues around depression and meditation and recently (last summer\/fall) become very <span class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\">interested<\/span> particularly in personality disorders. That work is kind of on a back burner as I return to thesis reading\/writing, but I fully plan to return to it at some point.<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">If you\u2019ve ever had a mental illness (I had clinical depression in my late teens) or been close to someone who has (I was close to someone who <em>likely<\/em> has\/is undiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder), each of these topics should pique some interest.<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>The first and third, dealing with the subject of vices and disorders, would be of great interest to those who want to see philosophers, including the Buddhist variety, taking mental illness more seriously<\/strong>. Most of what I have seen has constituted shoulder-shrugging and ignoring at best, and devaluation of both the subject matter and the individuals at the worst. I think <a href=\"http:\/\/https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Michel_Foucault\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Foucault\u2019s <\/a>work, which is despised among many mainstream philosophers, came the closest in his examination of the history of madness. <\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">But of even greater interest to me are the two on \u201cWho can we blame?\u201d and <em>moral responsibility\u2026<\/em> As I experienced in myself years ago, as a mental illness worsens, the ability to <em>be moral<\/em> in some sense seems to weaken. Other-regarding capacities diminish. The world becomes closed. The \u201cI\u201d becomes paramount and paralysing. <\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">I\u2019m not sure how others experience me in this time, but as selfish and immature would probably hit the mark. <strong>When my friend\u2019s episodes would arise, they often manifested in placing completely unreasonable demands on me and reacting with extraordinary anger when I failed to meet her requirements<\/strong>. She also manifested sudden overwhelming insecurities, often also accompanied by anger. In <strong>the midst of her emotional breakdowns I generally put it upon myself to \u2018fix\u2019 the situation, either appeasing her if I could or trying to sooth her<\/strong>. That is, I made the responsibility in the situation <em>mine<\/em> \u2013 which now I believe was fair to neither her nor myself. It merely served to <em>enable<\/em> further breakdowns.<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">Another issue of <em>blame<\/em> I have come across revolves around genetics and early childhood situations. Both my paternal grandfather and father had clinical depression in their lives, so it was not a big surprise when I had it too. <strong>If you\u2019ve seen the movie <em>Monster<\/em>, you cannot help sympathising with this woman who was raped as a child and emotionally abused by her father<\/strong>. Now if she was <em>both<\/em> genetically predisposed, perhaps having a father with a personality disorder, <strong>and<\/strong> had childhood trauma, it makes it increasingly difficult to say to what extent she is morally responsible for her actions.<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">The final paper title, \u201cMadness, badness and immaturity in psychoanalysis\u201d raises a related issue. <strong>My friend, and I have read this of many people with Borderline PD, would at times snap into a child-like persona<\/strong>. Perhaps it was reverting to a time before her own trauma\u2026 Perhaps it was simply a coping mechanism, a way out of a reality that her adult self couldn\u2019t handle. Sometimes these childlike states were playful or <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">pouty<\/span>, sometimes violent tantrums. <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"left\">That reminds me of something my then-girlfriend said to me when I was in the midst of my depression. She was a bit younger than me and once said, somewhat bitterly, \u201c<em>I might be younger than you, but your the one that needs to grow up<\/em>.\u201d <strong>She was right of course,in the sense that I was probably acting very immaturely. But, again, in the midst of mental illness it is incredibly difficult to get outside of one\u2019s own shell. <\/strong>I probably thought at the time that she was just being mean.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In Buddhist psychology it may be argued that there is no \u2018person\u2019 to blame for immoral actions. But that takes things too far, I believe. Sure<strong>, <em>philosophically<\/em> there is no Self (fixed and unchanging), but there is still that <em>being<\/em>, the carrier of <em>karma<\/em> or actions, that continues throughout a lifetime and beyond<\/strong>. And again, in the midst of mental illness, that unfixed and unchanging self begins to look incredibly solid and thoughts that \u201cthis will never change\u201d arise again and again.<\/p>\n<p>In this world of appearances, persons arise. Persons are the locus for pleasure and pain, joys and sufferings. <strong>In the <em><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">bodhisattva<\/span><\/em> quest to alleviate all suffering, it hardly seems helpful to leap to the metaphysical truth of \u201c<em>there is no person\u201d <\/em>or<em> \u201call is impermanent.\u201d<\/em><\/strong> True they may be, but like blaming <em>gravity<\/em> for the recent plane crashes, it is a case of a <a href=\"http:\/\/https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Category_mistake\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">category mistake<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The Buddha taught a very wide variety of methods for the alleviation of suffering, most prominently being meditation practice.  But there is a great deal more in the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist teachings<\/a> that contemporary Buddhists can use to deal with issues of mental illness.  Teachings on community, reciprocal duties, and more can be applied to the lives of both the mentally ill <em>and<\/em> those who are close to them.  <strong>Also, it seems properly <em>Buddhist<\/em> to admit that there are countless tools available today that go beyond anything the Buddha might have taught; tools such as brain imaging, antidepressants (herbal and otherwise), and so on<\/strong>.  The famous <em><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Kalama<\/span> <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Sutta<\/span><\/em> tells us to use efficacy as the greatest criterion for our activities \u2013 do they lead away from greed, hatred, and delusion?  Do them.  Do they lead to greater greed, hatred, and delusion?  Stop them.<\/p>\n<p>This doesn\u2019t get us anywhere near what I might call an \u2018answer\u2019 or even a clear action plan for Buddhism and disorders or mental illness, but perhaps the <span class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\">sketch<\/span> of thoughts will spark something further down the line.<\/p>\n<p>I should note my gratitude to <a href=\"http:\/\/thebuddhistblog.blogspot.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">James <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Ure<\/span>, an excellent Buddhist blogger<\/a> who has commented at times about meditation, Buddhism, and dealing with <a href=\"http:\/\/thebuddhistblog.blogspot.com\/2009\/02\/mental-illness-meditation-or-medication.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Schizoaffective<\/span> Disorder<\/a>. Also see his great post on <a href=\"http:\/\/thebuddhistblog.blogspot.com\/2006\/11\/answer-to-my-question.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Buddhism and mental illness<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7907151-3217947596376551027?l=americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ohh, sometimes I so wish I was still living in England\u2026 Perhaps one day I\u2019ll go back as I finish up my doctorate or for post-doc work. Likely not too soon, as all is well here and even with the economy going down, work for me is secure and plentiful. 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