{"id":791,"date":"2005-12-03T05:01:00","date_gmt":"2005-12-03T05:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2005\/12\/philosophy-ken-wilber-and-intelligent-design-id\/"},"modified":"2005-12-03T05:01:00","modified_gmt":"2005-12-03T05:01:00","slug":"philosophy-ken-wilber-and-intelligent-design-id","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2005\/12\/philosophy-ken-wilber-and-intelligent-design-id.html","title":{"rendered":"Philosophy: Ken Wilber and Intelligent Design (ID)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Though still a fan of Mr. Wilber, I have stumbled upon an ugly flaw in his work (I\u2019m now listening to the soundstrue version of \u2018<a href=\"http:\/\/store.yahoo.com\/soundstruestore\/aw00544.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><s>A Theory of Everything<\/s> \u2013 A Brief History of Everything<\/a>\u2018) , namely his understanding of evolution.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s funny, because just two weeks ago I saw <a href=\"http:\/\/www2.ncseweb.org\/wp\/?page_id=12\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kevin Padian, PhD<\/a> discussing his role as an expert witness in the Dover, PA trial over teaching ID in schools. Dr. Padian pretty well destroyed the ID theorists credibility by showing the countless flaws in their book \u2018Of Pandas and People\u2019 and conversely showing the way evolution, as a theory, operates. One thing he brought up was the creationist argument that the human eye could not <span style=\"font-style: italic\">evolve<\/span> because all of its complex parts are needed simultaneously. He then showed a slide of eyes, ranging from the simplest photosensitive nerves to the complex rods-and-cones system of our own eyes, showing how each development gave rise to the next. He then mentioned that some \u2018neo-creationists\u2019 have made a similar argument about wings. Up comes another slide showing the progress from those tiny, useless little dinosaur arms up to modern bird wings. What happened? Well, one thing is that those tiny dinosaur arms became more useful when they sprouted various types of branching hairs which could maintain body heat, employ colors to attract mates, and provide soft surface area to nestle eggs; these hairs became feathers. (for a brief discussion of Ken Wilber\u2019s use of this argument, <a href=\"http:\/\/skepdic.com\/news\/newsletter38.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">see here<\/a>) Ken basically argues that part of a wing is useless or worse, detrimental, but as the evidence has shown, part of a wing can have many uses.<\/p>\n<p>So that brings me to recent comments here, by Tom:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cAs you may know, since it has come up a hundred times in Nacho\u2019s blog, I am in favor of a redesigned Intelligent Design, for many reasons. I see nothing wrong with a brief, \u201cfair\u201d presentation of a non-religious ID argument in an evolution class, since most people in America doubt evolution. You know these words of Milton? \u201cLet [truth] and falsehood grapple; who ever knew truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?\u201d Why, it\u2019s almost a cliche. \u2013 Tom, from the 15th comment <a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/comment.g?blogID=7907151&amp;postID=113278001286740554\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/comment.g?blogID=7907151&amp;postID=113278001286740554\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><\/a>I am curious about what this \u2018redesigned Intelligent Design\u2019 might look like. For clarification\u2019s sake, there is no \u2018evolution class\u2019, only a \u2018science class\u2019 in which evolution is taught as <span style=\"font-style: italic\">the <\/span>theory of the process of change in species. I\u2019m all for fairness in education, but like many, I would rather ID be introduced in a religion class than a science class. Here ID could go up with its legitimate rivals of reductionistic-materialism, German Idealism, Eastern Mysticism, and Native American lore. But none of <span style=\"font-style: italic\">these<\/span> belong in the science class.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, concerning Milton\u2019s words, John Stuart Mill had similar sentiments in his work, \u2018On Liberty\u2019 and in general I agree with them, but caution must be exercised when deciding on what needs to be taught and where. For instance, an American Politics course should not devote \u2018equal time\u2019 to American Communism or American Fascism. Nor should it spend <span style=\"font-style: italic\">any <\/span>time discussing the (heavily discredited) theory that Jews and Freemasons have infiltrated our government, or (the never substantiated in the first place idea) that Congress is covering up interactions with alien civilizations.<\/p>\n<p>Intelligent Design, from my studies of it, provides no more to support itself than the folks camped out at Roswell, NM have come up with as evidence of flying saucers (perhaps less, actually). But in light of the good words of Milton and Mill, I am happy to see it \u2018brought into the light\u2019 of public inquiry in a <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">proper <\/span>way, including some discussion here. My own view is that Wilber is simply mistaken, and unfortunately others who follow him are as well. Though I don\u2019t see myself as a reductionist atheist, either. William James, the great American Pragmatist, presented a view in which such things as consciousness could be understood as perhaps like a light passed through a prism, after which is revealed the beautiful colors of \u2018our world\u2019. We can accept the evolution of the \u2018prism\u2019 while maintaining the eternal purity of the light to which it gives expression.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7907151-113358909148640186?l=americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Though still a fan of Mr. Wilber, I have stumbled upon an ugly flaw in his work (I\u2019m now listening to the soundstrue version of \u2018A Theory of Everything \u2013 A Brief History of Everything\u2018) , namely his understanding of evolution. 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