{"id":804,"date":"2005-11-10T09:47:00","date_gmt":"2005-11-10T09:47:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2005\/11\/philosophy-2-of-3-postmodernism-three-pronged-crisis\/"},"modified":"2005-11-10T09:47:00","modified_gmt":"2005-11-10T09:47:00","slug":"philosophy-2-of-3-postmodernism-three-pronged-crisis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/americanbuddhist\/2005\/11\/philosophy-2-of-3-postmodernism-three-pronged-crisis.html","title":{"rendered":"Philosophy: (2 of 3) Postmodernism &#8211; Three-pronged crisis"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>More Postmodernism (see<a href=\"http:\/\/americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\/2005\/11\/philosophy-1-of-3-postmodernism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> the last post<\/a> to get started or jump in here).<\/p>\n<p>Nacho wrote, \u201cWhat those basic themes do is really open up a three-pronged crisis (Norman Denzin): 1) A crisis of Representation (we cannot capture direct lived experience. Such experience is constituted textually. This renders the connection between experience and text problematic also). 2) A crisis of Legitimation ( if we have a crisis of representation, how do we legitimate validity, generalizability, etc.), and 3) A crisis of Praxis (how do we act, how do we effect change in society if its nature is essentially marked by textuality).\u201d<\/p>\n<p>1 \u2013 Wasn\u2019t this covered in Kant\u2019s first critique (Pure Reason)?<\/p>\n<p>2 \u2013 see comment for 1.<\/p>\n<p>3 \u2013 Wasn\u2019t this covered in Kant\u2019s second critique (Practical Reason) and the <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Groundwork for a Metaphysics of Morals<\/span>?<\/p>\n<p>4 \u2013 the crisis of beauty (I just made that up, so that I could toss in Kant\u2019s third critique \u2013 on aesthetics, or Judgement)<\/p>\n<p>I know I\u2019m being a bit flippant (I just spent 4 months working on Kant and have come to appreciate the guy, that\u2019s all). And now I childishly demand that any philosophy be explained in its relation to Kant. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>So I was giddy when Wilber brought Kant up<a href=\"http:\/\/americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\/2005\/11\/philosophy-1-of-3-ken-wiber.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> in the audio that I\u2019m listening to<\/a> in relation to <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Truth<\/span> (first critique), <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Goodness <\/span>(second), and <span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Beauty <\/span>(third). Wilber [with some of my interpretation here] held that these are the great questions of philosophy, going back to Plato\u2019s early dialogues. Wilber even brings in the Great contemporary German philosopher, J\u00fcrgen Habermas to make the point that in some philosophy one of these three is emphasized at the expense of others (science champions only Truth, <span style=\"font-style: italic\">objective, physical Truth<\/span>; Postmodernism breaks Truth and Goodness down into Beauty, notions of aesthetics). We need to understand the breadth and depth of each of these, however, without denying the legitimacy of the other two. In other words, it looks like it\u2019s a crisis of its own making. (and these guys need to reread Kant \u2013 kidding, maybe, sorta)<\/p>\n<p>Oh, and I wanted to toss in this quote from <a href=\"http:\/\/wilber.shambhala.com\/html\/misc\/tosewo.cfm\/xid,5038958\/yid,95447535\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ken Wilber<\/a>: <span style=\"font-size:85%\">(my thanks to Zen Unbound for the link)<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Just as rational modernity previously exhausted its forms and gave way to aperspectival postmodernity, so now the postmodern itself is on a morbid death watch, with nothing but infinitely mirrored irony to hold its hand, casting flowers where they will not be missed. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You\u2019ll have to read the full essay for the context, but Wilber seems to support some of my preexisting views on Postmodernism (always a good reason to read it :)\u2026<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7907151-113161768738286505?l=americanbuddhist.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>More Postmodernism (see the last post to get started or jump in here). Nacho wrote, \u201cWhat those basic themes do is really open up a three-pronged crisis (Norman Denzin): 1) A crisis of Representation (we cannot capture direct lived experience. Such experience is constituted textually. This renders the connection between experience and text problematic also). 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