{"id":655184,"date":"2016-06-06T09:10:21","date_gmt":"2016-06-06T14:10:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/andygill\/?p=655184"},"modified":"2016-06-06T09:10:21","modified_gmt":"2016-06-06T14:10:21","slug":"jesus-was-not-a-pacifist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/andygill\/jesus-was-not-a-pacifist\/","title":{"rendered":"Jesus Was Not a Pacifist (A kind response to Benjamin Corey)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/604\/2016\/06\/jesus-was-not-a-pacifist-andy-gill-benjamin-corey-patheos.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-655186\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-655186\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/604\/2016\/06\/jesus-was-not-a-pacifist-andy-gill-benjamin-corey-patheos.jpg\" alt=\"jesus was not a pacifist andy gill benjamin corey patheos\" width=\"550\" height=\"290\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo persistent is the cry of peace among the ruling classes and so strong the seeming abhorrence of every form of violence and anarchy that one might imagine them actuated by the purest pacifist principles, were it not for the fact that they betray no pacifist scruples when they consider international affairs. Most insistent upon peace within the nation, they are most easily provoked to join issue in martial combat with other nations.\u201c \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Reinhold_Niebuhr\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Reinhold Niebuhr<\/a><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>It\u2019s easy for a privileged person to to think that Jesus was a pacifist. It\u2019s even easier, I would presume, to say that \u201cit\u2019s a central commitment to nonviolent enemy love as a non-negotiable qualification of\u00a0the Christian identity\u2026\u201d This past week, Benjamin Corey, whom I love and respect as a fellow progressive blogger, said just this, in a recent post on the topic discussing whether or not Jesus was a pacifist. In a typical progressive form, he does in fact believe that Jesus was and currently is a pacifist.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cWhich leads us to the question: Did Jesus share this commitment to fighting evil exclusively using nonviolent means? That answer, of course, is yes\u2014he did.\u201d \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/formerlyfundie\/was-jesus-a-pacifist\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Benjamin Corey<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you\u2019re anything like myself, or Benjamin Corey, you have most likely been in similar discussions on pacifism in which turn into back and forth\u00a0dialogue only leading to a dead-end conversation. Even worse is when the non-pacifistic believer is pitted as one representative of evil and and unstable ill-will resulting from an irrational malcontent. The one error many pacifists make is in \u201c<strong>the belief that violence is a natural and inevitable expression of ill-will, and non-violence of goodwill, and that violence is therefore intrinsically evil and non-violence intrinsically good.<\/strong>\u201d[1]<\/p>\n<p>I want to make it clear and known that although I\u2019m not against the idea of pacifism we must embrace a Christian realism as opposed to a progressive idealism. It\u2019s because the imposition of pacifism can be just as dangerous and violent as it\u2019s counterpart <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/andygill\/pseudo-pacifism\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">pseudo-pacifism<\/a>. Their undying commitment to pacifism, we must remember, is based upon <u>faith<\/u>; not <u>logic<\/u>. It\u2019s a disillusioned thought and belief in God that is even more so convoluted by a privileged experience. They\u2019re not standing for justice; they\u2019re standing for <em>their<\/em> comfortability and peace, turning a blind eye to what it costs.<\/p>\n<p>Ben\u2019s perspective could be stemming from what\u2019s called a \u201cEurocentric Hermeneutic.\u201d He\u2019s, seemingly, picking and choosing which scriptures stand out the most while simultaneously using an understanding and interpretation of the text (i.e. scripture) that best suits his opinion (to be fair, we all do this to a large\u00a0extent).<\/p>\n<p>So, for instance, what about the scriptures in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Revelation+19%3A11-16&amp;version=NKJV\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Revelation<\/a> in which Jesus returns on a white horse with a sword in his mouth \u201cand makes war\u201d? Or, huge chunks of the old testament: If you can site <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/isaiah\/53-9.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Isaiah 53:9<\/a>, can you ignore <a href=\"http:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/esv\/1%20Sam%2015.3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">1 Samuel 15:3<\/a>; <a href=\"http:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/esv\/Josh%204.13\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Joshua 4:13<\/a>, in which God orders the Israelites to go to war with their oppressors? And then there\u2019s God ordering the Israelites to \u201ctake vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites\u201d (<a href=\"http:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/esv\/Num%2031.2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Numbers 31:2<\/a>). <a href=\"http:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/esv\/Deut%2020.16-17\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deuteronomy 20:16-17<\/a> declares, \u201cHowever, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them\u2026as the LORD your God has commanded you.\u201d Also, <a href=\"http:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/esv\/1%20Sam%2015.18\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">1 Samuel 15:18<\/a> says, \u201cGo and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My point in citing these is not for a reckless violence being encouraged by our \u201cGod almighty.\u201d It\u2019s that the topic is nuanced; it\u2019s our hermeneutic(s) that has made it black and white.<\/p>\n<p>More importantly, imposing pacifism as an impetus, or \u201cnon-negotiable qualification\u201d in order to be \u201c<em>like Christ<\/em>,\u201d this is not only to ignore these scriptures listed above, but to ignore the perspective and experience of many [but not all] oppressed persons. In this regard and within our US context, I agree with Jeff Hood in that there is in fact <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/andygill\/the-violence-of-demanding-peaceful-protest-the-missteps-of-clergy-in-ferguson\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">a violence found in demanding peaceful protests<\/a>.\u00a0<\/strong>While, in a seemingly contradicting manner, I feel that there is [obviously] also a violence found in demanding non peaceful protests (i.e. rioting).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00a0\u201cThe moral attitudes of dominant and privileged groups are characterised by universal self- deception and hypocrisy.\u201d \u2013 Reinhold Niebuhr<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For those unintentionally taking on a life of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/andygill\/pseudo-pacifism-why-privileged-people-love-quoting-mlk\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">pseudo-pacifism<\/a> should know that violence is not simply\u00a0the physical terror imposed upon another, violence is also the physical deprivation of basic necessities unjustly imposed upon a group of people. Otherwise referred to\u00a0as \u201c<em><u>institutionalized violence<\/u><\/em>.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cEvery effort to disturb the peace, which incorporates the injustice, will therefore seem to them to spring from unjustified malcontent. They will furthermore be only partly conscious of the violence and coercion by which their privileges are preserved and will therefore be particularly censorious of the use of force or the threat of violence by those who oppose them.\u201d \u2013 Reinhold Niebuhr<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I fear that Benjamin Corey, and many others that agree with this subversive hermeneutic, miss that Jesus does <em>not <\/em>side with nonviolence, Jesus sides with those who are oppressed persons. Sometimes that includes acts in which reflect a pacifistic means of countering, resisting, or confronting. Other times, using the Eurocentric hermeneutic, if God and Jesus are inseparable, it doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cAnd yet, each time an issue of violence is brought before Jesus, he sides with nonviolence.\u201d \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/formerlyfundie\/was-jesus-a-pacifist\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Benjamin Corey<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Where I disagree with Ben, is that Jesus was unequivocally nonviolent; where I agree with Benjamin Corey is that Jesus and God are both for the oppressed.<\/p>\n<p>This is important to know, for the pacifist who has a passion for peace, in that they must differentiate between the passion for peace and their love for the poor, powerless and marginalizing person.<\/p>\n<p>What do you think? Was Jesus a pacifist, or is this topic as I\u2019m suggesting a bit more nuanced?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fb-page\" data data-tabs=\"false\" data-width=\"750\" data-height=\"290\" data-small-header=\"false\" data-adapt-container-width=\"true\" data-hide-cover=\"false\" data-show-facepile=\"true\">\n<div class=\"fb-xfbml-parse-ignore\">\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/itsandygill\/\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[1]\u00a0Reinhold Niebuhr<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cSo persistent is the cry of peace among the ruling classes and so strong the seeming abhorrence of every form of violence and anarchy that one might imagine them actuated by the purest pacifist principles, were it not for the fact that they betray no pacifist scruples when they consider international affairs. 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