{"id":82288,"date":"2022-05-17T02:23:30","date_gmt":"2022-05-17T06:23:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/?p=82288"},"modified":"2022-05-16T17:44:29","modified_gmt":"2022-05-16T21:44:29","slug":"an-oral-history-of-the-anxious-bench-change-over-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2022\/05\/an-oral-history-of-the-anxious-bench-change-over-time\/","title":{"rendered":"An Oral History of The Anxious Bench: Change over Time"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Last week I began a three-part series for which I invited all current and former members of <em>The Anxious Bench<\/em> to help me tell the ten-year story of this blog. We <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2022\/05\/oral-history-anxious-bench-origins\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">started with our origins<\/a> in the early days of Patheos, when Evangelical Portal manager Tim Dalrymple asked Patheos columnists Thomas Kidd and John Fea to organize a group blog about the \u201crelevance of religious history for today.\u201d Philip Jenkins and John Turner joined right away in May 2012, followed a few months later by Agnes and Tal Howard. After Fea left in early 2013, the blog added two more American religious historians: Miles Mullin and David Swartz.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_82297\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-82297\" style=\"width: 768px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-06T151401.176-scaled.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-82297\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-06T151401.176-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"384\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-82297\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tal Howard (&lt;em&gt;Anxious Bench&lt;\/em&gt; contributor from 2012-present) \/ Agnes Howard (2012-present) \/ Miles Mullin (2013-2015)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>As we pick up the story in the fall of 2015, the first in a series of contributor changes starts to shift the focus and themes of\u00a0<em>The Anxious Bench<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>(Editorial note: at this point, I find myself in the awkward position of being both historian and eyewitness\/participant. So at the risk of this sounding too contrived\u2026 I did write answers to the questions I\u2019d posed to other contributors and weaved some of my responses into this oral history, while I scaled back the amount of narration I added.)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Miles Mullin:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wrote for <em>Anxious Bench<\/em> for a couple years, but time constraints dictated that I step away when I took a position as a college administrator [at Hannibal-LaGrange University] for a time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beth Allison Barr: <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was late summer 2015 when Tommy Kidd came to my office and asked me if I would consider joining the group blog. I was one year past tenure at Baylor and feeling more relaxed about my time. I also had written <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2014\/08\/writing-in-the-in-between\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">a guest post<\/a> for him the year before that had been a lot of fun<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. So I said yes. My first blog post [in October 2015] tackled <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2015\/10\/the-measure-of-a-woman-donald-trump-and-st-margarets-dragon\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Donald Trump from a medieval perspective <\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and my second, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/acts-of-faith\/wp\/2016\/10\/28\/guess-what-halloween-is-more-christian-than-pagan\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Halloween is More Christian Than Pagan<\/a>,\u201d ended up the next year in the <em>Washington Post.<\/em><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But the number of Baylor professors on the \u201cbench\u201d went back from three to two in May 2016, when <em>Anxious Bench\u00a0<\/em>co-founder Thomas Kidd stepped down in order to launch <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thegospelcoalition.org\/blogs\/evangelical-history\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Evangelical History<\/em><\/a>, a <em>Gospel Coalition <\/em>blog he still shares with Crossway executive Justin Taylor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>BAB:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tommy ended up leaving the year after I joined when he was asked to write for <em>The Gospel Coalition<\/em>. I was so thankful when Chris Gehrz agreed to step in as our new blogmeister, since Tommy had filled that role for several years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>John Turner: <\/strong>W<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">hen Tommy left behind his position as blogmeister, he asked me to take over in that capacity. In one of the few wise moves in my career, I realized that I didn\u2019t have the vision to take on that role. So I am pretty certain it was my idea to offer the position to Chris Gehrz.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Chris Gehrz: <\/strong>Having been a fan of <em>Anxious Bench <\/em>for years, you could have knocked me over with a feather when John Turner emailed me out of the blue in June 2016. I mean, I\u2019d been <a href=\"http:\/\/pietistschoolman.com\/blog\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">blogging on my own<\/a> for five years and knew I could bring a more eclectic set of interests to the AB mix. But I\u2019m not really a religious historian by training, and I felt intimidated to blog alongside such well-published scholars \u2014 at that point my only two books were edited volumes \u2014 let alone to act as anything like their editor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I found out that Tommy was stepping down and that Chris Gehrz would be the new editor, I thought to myself, \u201cThe blog is in great hands.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>CG: <\/strong>I agreed to do it. But apart from arranging collaborations here and there, suggesting a topic or recruiting a guest writer every so often, then offering some perspective in year-end wrap-ups, I\u2019ve always tried to keep a light editorial hand.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Daniel K. Williams:<\/strong> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> editor has given me the freedom to write on any topic that I\u2019d like, with no editorial control. I don\u2019t have this same level of freedom with any other publication venue, and I very much appreciate it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>CG: <\/strong>In any event, I think the summer of 2016 ended up being a turning point for\u00a0<em>The<\/em> <em>Anxious Bench\u00a0<\/em>less because of my arrival than Kristin Du Mez\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kristin Du Mez:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Beth Allison Barr recruited me back in 2016. I knew most of the bloggers and had written a couple of guest posts before joining.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>BAB: <\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I had been writing for a year and was one of only two women at the time. I had discovered that my posts on women and gender often got my largest audiences, so I naturally thought that Kristin\u2019s work would be a great addition. I also loved her first book, <em>A New Gospel for Women<\/em>, and thought her writing style was perfect for a blog. She turned me down at first because she didn\u2019t think she had enough time. I asked her to think about it because, from my experience (and this is what I told her), \u201cwriting more helps you write more.\u201d Obviously I convinced her. \ud83d\ude42<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_82407\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-82407\" style=\"width: 731px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/IMG_3633-1.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-82407\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/IMG_3633-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"731\" height=\"529\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-82407\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Five AB contributors at the 2016 meeting of the Conference on Faith and History. From left to right: Kristin Du Mez (2016-2022) \/ David Swartz (2013-present) \/ Beth Allison Barr (2015-present) \/ John Turner (2012-2021) \/ Chris Gehrz (2016-present)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Joining at the same time as another former Notre Dame PhD, Tim Gloege, Du Mez helped steer <em>The Anxious Bench <\/em>in new directions. The author of a well-received biography of Katharine Bushnell, Du Mez joined Barr in adding more posts on the role of women within Christianity and its relationship with feminism.<\/p>\n<p><strong>John Fea:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The blog began with a few male evangelical historians and has blossomed into a blog that better represents all the folks working in religious history today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>BAB: <\/strong><i>The Anxious Bench <\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">has moved from mostly focusing on modern and U.S. history (Philip Jenkins has always been the exception) to being a much more diverse blog, both in terms of subject matter and our bloggers. I love how much we focus on women\u2019s history, too.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Philip Jenkins: <\/strong>O<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ur contributors are now dealing with very contemporary issues, rather than history as we normally think of it. That relates partly, if not necessarily, to the demographic shift, with significantly more women. (Any number greater than zero is a significant increase, right?)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>KDM:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m very proud to have recruited Melissa May Borja to <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[in July 2018]<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. We\u2019d met at a conference at Harvard Divinity School and I began following her work from that point on. Since most of us were writing primarily on white Christianity, I knew she would bring a much-needed expansion of the topics we\u2019d cover. I was not wrong, and I always love seeing \u201cthe relevance of religious history for today\u201d through her eyes and expertise.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea L. Turpin:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chris reached out in 2017, but I had just started contributing to the now-defunct <em>Religion in American History<\/em> group blog and knew myself well enough to know that I could not juggle both. A couple years later, as that blog was wrapping up, Beth reached out to me to see if now I might be interested in joining the team at AB. I\u2019m so glad she did and that I said yes!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>BAB:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I had accepted a position as Associate Dean in the Baylor Graduate School and needed to reduce my twice-a-month writing to once-a-month. I asked Andrea to share the Wednesday space with me and David Swartz. I had worked with Andrea at Baylor since 2011 and knew she had both the research interests and skill in writing to be a successful blogger. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>PJ: <\/strong>That [greater gender diversity] has been a great improvement in many ways, not least because Beth Barr and Kristin Kobes Du Mez have produced some of our most popular and widely read columns of recent years, by far.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>CG: <\/strong>As I went on sabbatical in fall 2016, I remember being excited to learn that Kristin was going to write a biography of Hillary Clinton. But then the election that November went the other direction, and I wondered if she might want to do something to follow up on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2016\/07\/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-by-their-words\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">her wildly popular post<\/a> about Donald Trump\u2019s speech patterns.<\/p>\n<p><strong>KDM:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That one went viral and resulted in countless media requests to comment on Trump\u2019s distinctive linguistic style. But I think my favorite one to write \u2014 the one that pretty much wrote itself \u2014 was my response to John MacArthur telling Beth Moore to \u201cGo home\u201d: \u201c<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2019\/10\/hey-john-macarthur-you-have-a-culture-its-called-white-christian-patriarchy\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hey, John MacArthur. You have a culture. It\u2019s called white (Christian) patriarchy<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u201d It\u2019s a post that ties together my first book with\u00a0<em>Jesus and John Wayne<\/em>, and it was written in a tone that very intentionally refuses to show deference to powerful men who are not accustomed to being called out in this way, perhaps especially by a woman.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_82399\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-82399\" style=\"width: 768px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-09T105802.438-scaled.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-82399\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-09T105802.438-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"384\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-82399\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tim Gloege (2016) \/ Melissa Borja (2018-present) \/ Andrea Turpin (2019-present)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Tim Gloege left after six months, in December 2016, staying long enough to complete an influential seven-part series on \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2016\/06\/the-crisis-of-corporate-evangelicalism-part-1\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">corporate evangelicalism.<\/a>\u201d It was an early example of how AB contributors participated in the revision of evangelical historiography, even as the blog itself started to range farther beyond the history of evangelicalism.<\/p>\n<p><strong>PJ: <\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This began as a blog about religious history from an evangelical perspective, with a strong focus on U.S. history. Hmm, things have changed\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>JF: <\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">With the decline of Paul Harvey\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Religion in American History <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">blog, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, though not as ecumenical, has really picked up the conversation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>DKW: <\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Over the past decade AB has become less focused on American evangelical history and more diverse in its coverage. It\u2019s also moved toward a stronger focus on issues of social justice and especially of gender equity within the church.\u00a0 Those changes reflect trends in the <a href=\"http:\/\/faithandhistory.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CFH<\/a>\u00a0[Conference on Faith and History, the leading professional society for Christian historians]\u00a0and the larger world of Christian academia, so they\u2019re not unique to AB.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>PJ:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I am a bit puzzled by the evangelical thing, which was never me anyway, but it is not a particularly strong imprint on the blog these days.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>CG:\u00a0<\/strong>At one point in 2017 or 2018, we had to ask ourselves whether <em>Anxious Bench\u00a0<\/em>remained a good fit for Patheos Evangelical. Whether because of evangelical support for Trump or older problems like those Beth and Kristin discuss in their bestselling books, several of us were wrestling with our relationship to evangelicalism. In the end, while not all of our contributors are personally connected to that movement, most teach at Christian colleges and universities, and we\u2019re still <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2018\/12\/2018-uneasy-conscience-evangelicalism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">writing often about evangelicalism<\/a> for a mostly evangelical readership.<\/p>\n<p><em>The Anxious Bench\u00a0<\/em>reached its present lineup in 2020-2022, as two long-serving members decided to leave and another academic couple joined up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DKW:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I started writing for <em>The Anxious Bench<\/em> in the summer of 2020, shortly after George Floyd\u2019s death led to a new interest among many white evangelical Christians in racial justice.\u00a0 I shared that interest myself.\u00a0 My research on current political issues and my own personal reflections between 2018 and 2020 had led me to a deeper understanding of the centrality of racial injustice in the history of the United States in general and American white Christianity in particular, and I wanted to write about those issues in a way that would be helpful to white, theologically conservative, Protestant Christians. I therefore wrote a piece titled, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2020\/06\/racial-injustice-abortion-christian-nationalism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Why Do Americans Find It Easier to Denounce Abortion Than Racial Injustice? Maybe It\u2019s Christian Nationalism<\/a>,\u201d and sent it to <em>The Gospel Coalition<\/em>, where I had published a couple pieces before.\u00a0 When TGC decided not to accept it, I began looking for another outlet to publish this article.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>ALT: <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I sort of helped Dan join the <em>Bench<\/em>. I was one of the writers to whom he reached out to see if we might be interested in him joining. <\/span><\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I thought he\u2019d make a great addition because his perspective on American religion and politics evinces such grace, precision, and nuance. I\u2019m so glad he came on board!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Nadya Williams:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I am here because of sheer nepotism \ud83d\ude42\u00a0 I\u2019m married to Dan, so when I had a couple of ideas for blog posts, he ran them <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/anxiousbench\/2021\/05\/israel-and-immigration-a-christian-reflection-on-the-consequences-of-past-sins\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">as guest posts<\/a> [in summer 2021]. They were well received, so he recommended that I join <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> as a regular, and I have been so grateful for this opportunity. Long before either Dan or I joined, I have been reading AB on a regular basis, so at the risk of sounding overly cheesy, this has been a wonderful dream come true.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>DKW:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I know that I\u2019m not a completely dispassionate judge of this matter, but I do think that Nadya\u2019s expertise in ancient history and her personal knowledge of modern Russia and Eastern Europe have resulted in some fascinating posts that have extended <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2018s coverage of some important topics of contemporary concern.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_82396\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-82396\" style=\"width: 768px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-09T105534.905-scaled.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-82396\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/168\/2022\/05\/pjimage-2022-05-09T105534.905-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"384\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-82396\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dan Williams (2020-present) \/ Nadya Williams (2021-present)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><b>JT: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I ran out of steam [in September 2021], especially in the midst of increased administrative responsibilities at my own university. I found myself trying to come up with topics and pieces on Wednesday night. (My posts ran on Thursday.) Blogging should be a joy, at least if one isn\u2019t getting rich doing it, not an item on a weekly list that gets harder to get done!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>KDM:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I left only a few months ago [January 2022], and only because I was having such a hard time keeping up with all of the writing requests coming my way. I did start <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/kristindumez.substack.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">a Substack newsletter<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, which gives me an opportunity to weigh in on things in a more informal way, and the advantage to this is that I\u2019m not committed to an inflexible publication schedule. But I love <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Anxious Bench<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and miss being a part of the club!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Next Tuesday, we\u2019ll wrap up this series with some closing reflections, including our contributors\u2019 favorite posts and what they\u2019ve learned about writing for the public.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Part two in Chris&#8217; &#8220;oral&#8221; history of this blog covers the period from 2015 to the present, when the list of contributors \u2014\u00a0and the topics they covered \u2014\u00a0grew considerably more diverse.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2794,"featured_media":82407,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,2974],"tags":[379,2570,111,2854],"class_list":["post-82288","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-authors","category-chris-gehrz","tag-blogging","tag-donald-trump","tag-evangelicalism-2","tag-women"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>An Oral History of The Anxious Bench: Change over Time<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Part two in Chris&#039; 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