{"id":1502,"date":"2013-08-13T18:03:44","date_gmt":"2013-08-13T18:03:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/asenseofplace\/?p=1502"},"modified":"2013-08-13T20:27:18","modified_gmt":"2013-08-13T20:27:18","slug":"starting-from-ignorance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/asenseofplace\/2013\/08\/starting-from-ignorance\/","title":{"rendered":"Starting From Ignorance"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_1503\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1503\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Goe_Platz_der_Synagoge_Detail_2_noCA.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/310\/2013\/08\/480px-Goe_Platz_der_Synagoge_Detail_2_noCA-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Goe Platz der Synagoge Detail 2 noCA\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1503\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1503\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">By Daniel Schwen (Own work) [CC-BY-SA-2.5 (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.5)], via Wikimedia Commons<\/figcaption><\/figure> Last week I wrote about sharing faith with my children. I ended the post with a paragraph on my view of the importance of agnosticism. I shared that post with my father a couple of days later. It led to an interesting conversation on the nature of agnosticism. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m not agnostic,\u201d he said, \u201cbecause I think that all the religions are wrong. But I think that there probably is a god.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo, no!\u201d I argued back, \u201cYou <i>are<\/i> agnostic. You said yourself that there is \u2018probably\u2019 a god. You don\u2019t know what that god is like or what that god has to do with the actions of the world right now. You only know that you don\u2019t believe that any of the established religions have the answer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He came back with a statement that atheism is about not believing in religion, and I responded that atheism is about not believing in god. Religions are just structures on which we hang our beliefs, worldview and behavior. Not all religions require belief. <\/p>\n<p>My dad, a conservative Jew who keeps kosher by way of vegan diet, celebrates Shabbat (Sabbath) with synagogue attendance and Torah study, and only resigned from his position as president of the board of a synagogue a mere month ago, sat there engaged in a debate with me about the meaning of atheism and agnosticism, and which one is a more fitting term for his distaste for the mind control structures of human religion. Now you will learn what kind of twisted child I am, because this is the kind of debate I love to get into with family and my closest friends.<\/p>\n<p>Honestly, it doesn\u2019t matter what my father chooses to call himself. His self-identification is his business. But, oh! What a delicious paradox! Here we are discussing the very merit of the structure that he has chosen to live in. He rejects many notions of the religion, but holds on to other aspects. <\/p>\n<p>Most practicing Jews would say that the most important thing is the practice.  Belief is something that flows from experience. But I think that for some, perhaps including my father, the most important part of Judaism is the asking of questions and the sharing of those questions with a community of people who ask questions and puzzle out answers the best they can. Practice flows from questions asked as the puzzling through of answers is worked on. Belief comes from experience only sometimes.<\/p>\n<p>For me, the practice of asking questions is what brought me to a distinctly Pagan path. It is the puzzling out of answers that has brought me onto this earth-based trail of Druidry and place-based eclectic religious expression. The questions are the start of everything. The mystery is the place where awe lives.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last week I spoke of my children, this week I have a conversation with my Dad. I explore how growing up with the Jewish practice of questioning everything is what brought me to a distinctly Pagan path. 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