{"id":4550,"date":"2015-05-19T22:56:03","date_gmt":"2015-05-20T02:56:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/badcatholic\/?p=4550"},"modified":"2015-05-19T22:56:03","modified_gmt":"2015-05-20T02:56:03","slug":"okay-theres-something-indissoluble-about-natural-marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/badcatholic\/2015\/05\/okay-theres-something-indissoluble-about-natural-marriage.html","title":{"rendered":"Okay, There&#8217;s Something Indissoluble About Natural Marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Dear readers,<\/p>\n<p>What<a title=\"Ain\u2019t Nothing Indissoluble About Natural Marriage\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/badcatholic\/2015\/05\/aint-nothing-indissoluble-about-natural-marriage.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> started with some degree of confidence<\/a> has ended as a puzzle.<\/p>\n<p>The question is this: Whether indissolubility belongs to marriage by nature or by sacrament?<\/p>\n<p>On the one hand, Canon Law is clear:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe essential properties of marriage are unity and indissolubility, which obtain a special firmness or stability in Christian Marriage by reason of it being a sacrament\u201d (1013). That is to say, both natural and sacramental marriage are essentially indissoluble, though Christian Marriage differs in degree.<\/p>\n<p>Now I would hardly argue against this, or else I would have to argue that no natural marriage could be a union entered into with the promise of \u201ctill death,\u201d which would be silly.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, both Aquinas and Augustine seem to root indissolubility in the sacrament, not in nature: \u00a0\u201cIn the\u00a0sacrament\u00a0it is provided that the marriage bond should not be broken, and that a husband and wife, if separated, should not be joined to another even for the sake of offspring\u201d and\u00a0\u201cinseparability, which is denoted by \u201csacrament,\u201d regards the very sacrament considered in itself\u2026\u201d (<a title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/summa\/5049.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-wpel-target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">q. 49, a. 3<\/a>) We don\u2019t want the Fathers and the Canon fighting #catholicproblems.<\/p>\n<p>It seems that there may be a third way, between nature and sacrament. Leo III argues that natural marriage, insofar as it has God for its author, and foreshadows the Incarnation, is sacred. So indissolubility could belong to natural marriage, because, in a certain sense, there is no purely natural marriage. Marriage is always already a divine institution. Whether this would be enough to justify the Father\u2019s rooting of indissolubility in the<em> sacrament<\/em>, I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>There are many problems with saying that indissolubility is a purely natural quality of marriage, \u201cnatural\u201d being taken to mean those parts of marriage that can be derived without recourse to religion or divine revelation, and I\u2019ll note one here:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat God has joined, let no man tear asunder.\u201d If <em>God<\/em> joins man and woman in every marriage, and it is <em>His<\/em> act of joining that requires us not to \u201ctear asunder,\u201d i.e not to dissolve, then it seems like the indissolubility of marriage, far from being derived from\u00a0marriage in the way conjugal fidelity or offspring may be derived\u00a0from marriage as its natural ends, accrues to marriage by virtue of being instituted by God. Thus it does not yet seem obvious to me that we can have marriage as a secular, civil and \u201cnatural\u201d institution and still arrive at indissolubility as an essential quality of marriage. It would end up sounding something like \u201cWhat reason ascertains as the best situation for raising and educating children, let no man tear asunder.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now if we understand \u201cnature\u201d in the thicker sense, as\u00a0<em>including<\/em> the Divine plan for marriage, then <em>of course<\/em> marriage is indissoluble by it nature. But this isn\u2019t what anyone, except for Catholics, means by natural marriage, by which is meant the union of man and woman outside of any religious context.<\/p>\n<p>Are we not still stuck saying that non-religious marriages (assuming all other requirements are met) are just marriages that don\u2019t know they\u2019re religious?<\/p>\n<p>Your comments (and especially your citations) are much appreciated.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dear readers, What started with some degree of confidence has ended as a puzzle. The question is this: Whether indissolubility belongs to marriage by nature or by sacrament? 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