{"id":1634,"date":"2011-09-17T01:03:58","date_gmt":"2011-09-17T05:03:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/?p=1634"},"modified":"2015-03-13T23:12:46","modified_gmt":"2015-03-14T03:12:46","slug":"more-hurtado-on-the-sad-state-of-nt-phd-studies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2011\/09\/17\/more-hurtado-on-the-sad-state-of-nt-phd-studies\/","title":{"rendered":"More Hurtado on the Sad State of NT PHD Studies"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2011\/09\/006_3A_00.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1635\" title=\"006_3A_00\" src=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2011\/09\/006_3A_00-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a href=\"http:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/author\/larryhurtado\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"> <\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">\n<h2><a href=\"http:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/2011\/09\/05\/tools-of-the-trade-encore\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tools of the Trade . . . Encore<\/a><\/h2>\n<div><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/author\/larryhurtado\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">larryhurtado<\/a><\/strong> | September 5, 2011 at 9:33 am | Categories: <a href=\"http:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/?cat=1\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Uncategorized<\/a> | URL: <a href=\"http:\/\/wp.me\/pYZXr-bt\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/wp.me\/pYZXr-bt<\/a><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Well, my posting yesterday on \u201cTools of the Trade\u201d has already  generated a number of comments, several of which raise some reasonable  questions.\u00a0 So, instead of replying to them individually, I\u2019ll try to do  so in this further posting.\u00a0 I\u2019ll\u00a0attempt to be succinct, but this will  be longer-than-most-of-mine posting.<\/p>\n<p>First, some comments have to do with the languages.\u00a0 In view of all sorts of computized packages today, <em>why<\/em> should we require NT scholars to have a good ability in Koine Greek and Hebrew?\u00a0 And, in view of the dominance of English, <em>why<\/em> should NT scholars be expected to be able to read German and French?\u00a0  And, in view of the commendable growth of biblical scholarship in  various parts of the world (e.g., Africa, Asia, the Pacific, Latin  America), <em>why<\/em> this emphasis on <em>these<\/em> European languages?<\/p>\n<p>The first thing to say is that I regard the PhD primarily as  preparation for a life of scholarship.\u00a0 There are some who commence PhD  study after retirment, or purely as a (rather demanding) personal  interest.\u00a0 But most aspire to becoming after PhD able to play some role  in the field, teaching and assessing students, engaging the work of  other scholars, and (hopefully) contributing to the field as well.\u00a0 That  is (to reflect a view that is typical among scholars), the PhD should  prepare you for a subsequent role as a scholar in the field.\u00a0 In that  sense, you don\u2019t simply write a one-off piece to get the degree, but you  equip yourself with various \u201ctools of the trade\u201d to be a scholar in the  field.\u00a0 There is a <em>discipline<\/em> called NT studies, and an  academic\u00a0\u201cdiscipline\u201d typically involves core abilities and practices,  and a commitment to developing these among those who wish to contribute  to that discipline.<\/p>\n<p>Among the tools of this particular trade, languages are central.\u00a0  We\u2019re dealing with texts, all kinds of texts, and in certain ancient  languages.\u00a0 Every lexicon, every commentary, every computer package,  reflects judgments about words, syntax, etc.\u00a0 And the scholar in the  field should be able to assess such judgments, on his\/her own, not  simply appropriate the judgments of others.\u00a0 Sure, a computer package  can quickly tell you how many times this or that lexeme appears, and it  can produce a list of occurrences.\u00a0 But the computer-package can\u2019t tell  you how to assess some other scholar\u2019s claim about the sense of a given  sentence of Greek or Hebrew or Latin or Aramaic.\u00a0 If you want to express  a view and you want it taken seriously by other scholars, then you must  be able to handle the texts yourself.\u00a0 And in the field, the \u201ctext\u201d is  that written in the ancient language, not simply a translation.<\/p>\n<p>As to the European languages I mentioned, there are several things to  say.\u00a0 First, I\u2019m talking about a PhD from a UK university, not one in  Bangalore, or Beijing or Kuala Lampur or\u00a0 . . . you get it.\u00a0 No  implication intended as to relative quality.\u00a0\u00a0All I mean is that\u00a0if you  want a European doctorate then don\u2019t get surprised at European languages  being central.\u00a0 But secondly and much more to the point, these  particular languages have been, and remain, considerably more important  in the field, because far more important work is published in them  across a far wider spectrum of matters.\u00a0 (By \u201cimportant\u201d, I mean  intended to have impact and relevance for the field as a whole .)<\/p>\n<p>There\u00a0are some publications\u00a0in\u00a0other languages that are important for  some topics (e.g.,\u00a0the Italian studies on\u00a0the Ascension of Isaiah) .\u00a0  Of course, it would\u00a0advantageous to read additional languages.\u00a0 (In my  own PhD work, it proved very handy that I had Spanish, as two major  articles in Spanish had been highly infulential but had not been  subjected to adequate critical scrutiny.)<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t mention German and French to exclude any other language,  European or others.\u00a0 But, if we have to identify key languages in the  discipline, as those in which the historic body of scholarship lies and  in which still the great majority of contributing scholarship in NT  studies is published, then it\u2019s English, German and French.\u00a0 So if we  require PhD students to be able to engage the great majority of  scholarly publications in the field, these are the languages that are  essential to read.<\/p>\n<p>The scholar is expected to be able to engage the scholarly work of  others, and this has meant (and should continue to mean) being able to  read and review work in at least English, German and French.\u00a0 E.g., the  international Society for New Testament Studies allows papers delivered  in these three languages, and its journal publishes in these three.<\/p>\n<p>Being a scholar in NT means being able to engage, and draw upon  valuable work done in the past, often decades ago or more.\u00a0\u00a0 And this  makes German and French still more relevant.\u00a0English may be dominant in  NT\u00a0now, but\u00a0it wasn\u2019t until perhaps the 1970s.\u00a0\u00a0There\u2019s one helluva lot  of really important stuff that was published before then!\u00a0 And there  continues to be crucial material published in German and French.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, we need to know what\u2019s happening now, and the recent and  emergent developments in theory and approaches.\u00a0 (And, contrary to a  rather ill-judged and\u00a0recklessly hostile\u00a0posting on another site, I am  acquainted with such things as post-colonial theory, feminist theory, et  alia.)\u00a0 But we don\u2019t advance by neglecting our past.\u00a0 It isn\u2019t progress  to reject the core \u201ctools\u201d of the discipline in favor of adopting  recent methodological proposals.\u00a0 We\u00a0should engage the latter out of a  sound preparation in the former.<\/p>\n<p>For me, as for most I presume, learning languages is hard work, and  retaining and improving use of them a continuing effort.\u00a0 But,  especially in a UK PhD programme, where you\u2019re expected to commence the  thesis research immediately and produce a finished thesis within a  36-month optimal period (48 months maximum), students should work up a  reading ability in the relevant languages <em>before<\/em> starting PhD work.\u00a0 That way, you don\u2019t take time from research to learn languages.<\/p>\n<p>There were also comments about why and how it is that PhD theses can  be presented by students who appear not to be able really to read Koine  Greek, and\/or can\u2019t engage scholarship beyond English.\u00a0 This has to do  with university policies and practices, and I\u2019ll save my comments on  these matters for another posting.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tools of the Trade . . . 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