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<\/a><\/p>\nHere\u2019s an excellent follow up blog to the ones posted previously here, a post by my friend and colleague Larry Hurtado. See what you think. BW3<\/p>\n
by larryhurtado<\/p>\n
The discussion of Andrew Loke\u2019s new book in which he proposes that Jesus saw and spoke of himself as \u201ctruly divine\u201d reminded me of some interesting Qumran fragments and the discussion about them.[1]<\/p>\n
These fragments are often referred to by scholars as portions of a \u201cSelf-Glorification Hymn\u201d in which an unidentified human figure (it seems) portrays himself as exalted to heavenly status, sitting prominently among \u201cthe gods\u201d and given vast heavenly secrets. The texts in question are: 4Q471b and 4Q491c, and also 4Q427 (which is a portion of 4QHodayot (the Qumran \u201chymn collection\u201d).<\/p>\n
The speaker in 4Q427, for example, declares himself \u201ca friend of the king [likely here God], companion of the holy ones [angels],\u201d and claims to have an incomparable glory given to him. In 4Q471b, the speaker declares \u201cwho is like me among the gods,\u201d and \u201cwho can be compared to my glory.\u201d In 4Q491c also, the speaker likewise claims an incomparable glory, and says \u201cI am counted among the gods and my dwelling is in the holy congregation.\u201d[2] And note that the speaker of these texts is portrayed as apparently still living a mortal existence.<\/p>\n
The point is that such notions of heavenly exaltation of selected human figures were in the air of second-temple Jewish tradition, which is why I wrote that Loke\u2019s proposal that Jesus saw himself as bearing some kind of \u201cdivine\u201d status not inconceivable, in principle. The question is whether the extant Gospel traditions provide us with evidence that Jesus actually did teach his disciples something along these lines.<\/p>\n
The fragmentary nature of these Qumran manuscripts, and the absence in the fragments of any explicit identification of the speaker, have combined to generate various scholarly proposals about who this figure is. Martin Abegg, for example, reviewed briefly previous scholarly proposals (e.g., by Maurice Gaillet, Morton Smith, and John J. Collins), concluding that \u201cthe Teacher of Righteousness [a figure mentioned in some other Qumran texts], the acknowledged founder of the Qumran community, is a strong candidate.\u201d Abegg also suggested that it is possible that the claim of heavenly ascent was made on his behalf by the author of the text(s).[3]<\/p>\n
Abegg proposed that we may have a somewhat analogous kind of claim and experience portrayed by Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:2-5, where, among his \u201ccountless visions\u201d Paul describes being caught up into \u201cthe third heaven\u201d and hearing marvellous things that he is not free to share.<\/p>\n
But Morton Smith (one of the earlier scholars to comment on these Qumran texts) went much farther, proposing that they support his claims that Jesus himself had similar visionary experiences and even \u201cfounded a mystery cult\u201d with himself as its object.[4] Smith pointed to the narratives of the transfiguration (e.g., Mark 9) and resurrection-experiences as reflecting the sort of mystical experiences that Jesus promoted and that were shared by his disciples.[5]<\/p>\n
Smith\u2019s proposals about Jesus and his supposed \u201cmystery cult\u201d haven\u2019t caught on with other scholars, regardless of their individual religious stances. But in an earlier work, J.D.G. Dunn urged readers to consider more seriously what sort of piety and religious life\/experiences Jesus may have had.[6] I agree. A historical approach to Jesus should make ample room for him as a devout Jew of his time, not a modern systematic theologian (or liberal Protestant, or Cynic teacher, or whatever), but a Jewish man who not only talked about God but likely had religious experiences as well. Whether Jesus taught that he was \u201ctruly divine\u201d remains a debated question. But I think it is most likely that Jesus did see himself as God\u2019s unique agent\/vehicle of the kingdom of God, and that he generated the expectation among his disciples that he was, or would be declared by God, the hoped-for Messiah.<\/p>\n
[1] Curiously, I don\u2019t recall Loke dealing with these texts.<\/p>\n
[2] In Qumran texts, heavenly\/angelic beings are often referred to as \u201cgods\u201d (Hebrew: elim].<\/p>\n
[3] Martin G. Abegg, \u201cWho Ascended to Heaven? 4Q491, 4Q427, and the Teacher of Righteousness,\u201d in Eschatology, Messianism, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, ed. Craig A. Evans and Peter W. Flint (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1997), 61-73, citing 72. In a more recent study, Eric Miller proposed that the figure in these texts is Enoch, and the texts are an imaginative literary meditation on him (as reflected also in portions of 1 Enoch and other texts): \u201cThe Self-Glorification Hymn Reexamined,\u201d Henoch 31.2 (2009): 307-24.<\/p>\n
[4] Morton Smith, \u201cTwo Ascended Into Heaven: Jesus and the Author of 4Q491,\u201d in Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls, ed. J. H. Charlesworth (New York: Doubleday, 1992), 290-301, citing 291.<\/p>\n
[5] Smith, \u201cTwo Ascended,\u201d 298-99.<\/p>\n
[6] J. D. G. Dunn, Jesus and the Spirit: A Study of the Religious and Charismatic Experience of Jesus and the First Christians As Reflected in the New Testament (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1975). <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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