{"id":39767,"date":"2021-07-16T01:03:57","date_gmt":"2021-07-16T05:03:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/?p=39767"},"modified":"2021-06-20T17:08:09","modified_gmt":"2021-06-20T21:08:09","slug":"n-t-wrights-galatians-part-eleven","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2021\/07\/16\/n-t-wrights-galatians-part-eleven\/","title":{"rendered":"N.T. Wright&#8217;s Galatians&#8211; Part Eleven"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2021\/06\/7b72bc73-b018-425b-ab30-f35d7e0385d8.__CR00500500_PT0_SX300_V1___.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-39698\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2021\/06\/7b72bc73-b018-425b-ab30-f35d7e0385d8.__CR00500500_PT0_SX300_V1___.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Q. While I take your point about <em>Christos<\/em> being a title, not really just a name for Jesus, in Paul\u2019s writings, when you go on to say not merely that Jesus is Israel\u2019s Messiah or representative, but in some sense Jesus is Israel, and if you are \u2018in Him\u2019 you are in Israel, this seems a leap. The problem with Jesus=Israel, is, so far as I can see, Paul uses the term Israel, for example in Rom. 9-11 to mean non-Christian Jews temporarily broken off from the people of God until Christ returns \u2018and turns away the impiety of Jacob\u2019 at the future resurrection. In other words, not only is Christ not Israel, neither does Paul call \u2018the <em>\u2018ekklesia tou theou\u2019<\/em> Israel. The issue is not that Gentiles need to become part of Israel to be part of the people of God, no, they need to be \u2018in Christ\u2019 and that is not the same thing, for as Gal. 3.28 says there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. I\u2019ve changed my mind about what Israel means in Gal. 6 over time, though I suppose it is just barely possible that the term there refers to Jewish Christians with whom Paul disagrees like the agitators. Can you explain your view briefly about the term Israel and its relationship to Messiah Jesus, and perhaps answer why you think various persons have accused you of supersessionism?<\/p>\n<p>A. The \u2018s\u2019 word gets thrown around unfortunately in today\u2019s climate of low-grade \u2018moral\u2019 discourse where there are only a few fixed points and if you can associate someone you don\u2019t like with one of the standard negative ideas then you can dismiss them with a sense of moral superiority. I have written about supersessionism in <em>Paul and the Faithfulness of God,<\/em> ch 15, and that would bear re-reading \u2013 including the long and careful discussion of \u2018Israel\u2019, \u2018the Jew\u2019 in Paul, etc. You need Rom 2.25-29 on the table, as also Philippians 3, and also a very careful reading of Romans 9-11, where Paul distinguishes the two meanings of \u2018Israel\u2019 in 9.6 and then returns to this towards the end of ch 11. Note that my reading of Rom 11 has at least convinced Richard Hays which is a good start! I do not think that Paul there refers to a last-minute large-scale conversion of presently unbelieving Jews, though for a while I did think that until a more careful reading of the passage . . . but Paul clearly sees all Jesus-following, spirit-led people as \u2018Jew\u2019 in Rom 2.25-29; and as I\u2019ve argued in Gal 3 the word <em>Christos<\/em>, while definitely messianic, is also incorporative, as also in several passages in e.g. 1 Cor and Philemon. A long argument is needed of course to make all this clear but this is a start!<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Q. 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