{"id":57430,"date":"2023-07-03T01:40:03","date_gmt":"2023-07-03T05:40:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/?p=57430"},"modified":"2023-06-11T07:42:58","modified_gmt":"2023-06-11T11:42:58","slug":"clifton-blacks-marks-gospel-the-dialogue-part-four","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2023\/07\/03\/clifton-blacks-marks-gospel-the-dialogue-part-four\/","title":{"rendered":"Clifton Black&#8217;s Mark&#8217;s Gospel&#8211; The Dialogue Part Four"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2023\/05\/91ZZRM05B6L.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-57084\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2023\/05\/91ZZRM05B6L.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"424\" height=\"640\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Q.\u00a0 I wondered about chiasms, which seem to me a visual device, but Mark\u2019s Gospel in the main was not read by early Christians, it was heard by most of them, and it was intended to be an oral and rhetorical text, not a visual one.\u00a0 \u00a0The reader in Mk. 13 is surely the lector who read it out to the congregation, not the audience, as Rev. 1.1-4 makes clear\u2014 noticing the distinction between the one who reads it out loud and those who hear it.\u00a0 \u00a0Chiasms unless they are very tightly bunched together in a span of a very few verses cannot be heard and processed, especially if one then has to rethink while the reading is continuing, where was the creme-filled center of that chiasm.\u00a0 \u00a0Why do you think we can find chiasms in this document if it is by and large an oral and aural document?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>CCB: Ancient rhetoricians regarded chiasmus\u2014a reversal of grammatical structures in successive phrases or clauses\u2014not as a visual device, but as an oral and aural instrument. For the speaker it could serve as an aide-memoire; for the listener, as a subliminal register of meaning. Mark recalls Jesus as speaking chiastically: \u201cFor there is nothing hid, except to be made manifest; nor is anything secret, except to come to light\u201d (4:22). To this day such turns of phrase, and the points they are making, are embedded in our memories. Ecclesiastes: \u201cA time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up\u201d (3:3). Shakespeare: \u201cFair is foul and foul is fair\u201d (<em>Macbeth<\/em> 1.1). John F. 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