{"id":61542,"date":"2024-01-10T01:36:20","date_gmt":"2024-01-10T06:36:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/?p=61542"},"modified":"2024-01-01T09:38:58","modified_gmt":"2024-01-01T14:38:58","slug":"son-of-man-the-dialogue-part-seven","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2024\/01\/10\/son-of-man-the-dialogue-part-seven\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Son of Man&#8217;&#8211; The Dialogue&#8211; Part Seven"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2024\/01\/91i01wFnmWL._SL1500_-5.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-61506\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/55\/2024\/01\/91i01wFnmWL._SL1500_-5.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"425\" height=\"640\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Q. One thing that has struck me is how different the discussion in Dan. 7 is from the discussion in 2 Sam. 7. In the latter, there is talk about dynastic succession\u2014 after King David, then his son and so on. Here, in Dan. 7 we seem to hear about a particular person ruling the nations forever and superceding the four beastly empires\u2014no dynastic succession at all. And yet you seem to associate Dan. 7, if I\u2019m reading you right, with the Davidic line. How so, and why? I ask especially because later Jesus wants to stress that the messianic figure was not merely or not primarily David\u2019s descendant but rather David\u2019s lord, based on an interesting exegesis of Ps. 110.<\/p>\n<p>A. I do not associate the figure in Dan 7:13 with the Davidic Messiah (I never express an opinion about the historical meaning of Daniel 7). The Second Temple Jewish literature I have studied does. A very clear example is 4 Ezra 13. Your point about 2 Sam 7 is a good example of how we need to read as Jewish exegetes did. Your reading is a historical one, what the text would likely have meant in its original context, but that is not how Jewish exegetes (or NT writers) read it. They read it in combination with texts about the Davidic messiah which they took to mean that his reign will be eternal: Isa 9:7; Ezek 37:25; Ps 72:5-7. This is how Isa 9:7 is understood in Luke 1:32-33, where what Gabriel says about the Davidic Messiah would not have come as a surprise to any of Mary\u2019s or Jesus\u2019s contemporaries. I cannot think of a writing of this period in which the Messiah son of David is expected to have a ordinary lifetime of rule and be succeeded by descendants.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Q. One thing that has struck me is how different the discussion in Dan. 7 is from the discussion in 2 Sam. 7. 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