{"id":1969,"date":"2014-09-29T23:08:01","date_gmt":"2014-09-30T03:08:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/billykangas\/?p=1969"},"modified":"2014-09-29T23:29:15","modified_gmt":"2014-09-30T03:29:15","slug":"obedience-to-a-good-church-with-bad-leaders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/billykangas\/2014\/09\/obedience-to-a-good-church-with-bad-leaders.html","title":{"rendered":"Obedience to a Good Church, with Bad Leaders"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/394\/2014\/09\/Church.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1971 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/394\/2014\/09\/Church.jpg\" alt=\"Church\" width=\"468\" height=\"232\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Being a Catholic comes with many challenges. We are called to lay down our lives for other; love our neighbor as ourselves; give of our abundance to those who are in need; strive for holiness; care for the spiritual and temporal needs of those around us; fast and pray; and in all things grow to image God\u2019s love to everyone. These are all hard enough in themselves, I certainly fail at all of these things on a daily basis; but one thing that makes being a Catholic incredibly difficult is the fact that\u00a0<em>other<\/em>\u00a0Catholics are also\u00a0failures\u00a0at being holy. The Church is chock-full of sinners. The pews are overflowing with adulterers, liars, cheats, selfish, wrathful, abusive, and all around good-for-nothing scoundrels. Not only that, but even the priests, deacons and religious are filled with sins of every kind.<\/p>\n<p>Is THIS the community\u00a0that Jesus founded?<\/p>\n<p>Are these people the Body of Christ?<\/p>\n<p>Is this this Church that will prevail against the Gates of Hell?<\/p>\n<p>How can God expect us to\u00a0prevail \u00a0against the gates of hell, when we can\u2019t even get through a meeting of the Parish Council without feeling defeated?<\/p>\n<p>Does God really expect us to follow the leaders in the Church, when so many are just as bad if not wore than us?<\/p>\n<p>This week I had a chance to sit down with some other Christian writers and thinkers and talk about what it means to live in a Church under spiritual authority without losing your mind or your faith. I have included a recording of the conversation below, and would like to invite you all to take a listen! Make sure you <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theologues.com\/podcast\/whos-the-boss-a-conversation-on-spiritual-authority\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">subscribe to the podcast here!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><\/p><center><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: solid 1px #dedede;\" src=\"http:\/\/app.stitcher.com\/splayer\/f\/51122\/35537225\" width=\"220\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/center><center><br>\n<strong>Let me know what you think of the episode in the comments below!<\/strong><\/center>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Being a Catholic comes with many challenges. 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