CNA\/EWTN News<\/a>).- In a new, wide-ranging interview Pope Francis touched on a variety of serious and lighthearted topics, such as the current refugee crisis, youth unemployment and how often the he goes to confession.<\/p>\n\tAired for the first time Sept. 14, the interview was conducted by Vatican journalist Aura Miguel with Portugal-based Radio Renascen\u00e7a (Renaissance) Sept. 8. The questions were posed in Portuguese and the responses were given by Pope Francis in Spanish.<\/p>\n
\tThe following is a CNA translation of Radio Renascen\u00e7a\u2019s full interview with Pope Francis:<\/p>\n
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: First of all, Your Holiness, thanks for this interview. It\u2019s really a privilege for Radio Renascen\u00e7a to have this exclusive conversation with you.
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It\u2019s also pleasure for me because these days all the Bishops of Portugal are here and yesterday I spent the whole morning with the Portuguese bishops. So this interview coincides (with that).
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: How does a pope that comes from \u201cthe end of the world\u201d see Portugal and the Portuguese people?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: I was only in Portugal one time, in the airport, a few years ago, on my way to Rome in a Varig plane. It made a layover in Lisbon, and so I know the airport, but of course I know a lot of Portuguese (people). And at the Seminary in Buenos Aires there were a lot of employees who were Portuguese immigrants. They are nice people that got along well with the seminarians. And my dad had a Portuguese co-worker. I remember his name, Adelino. Well, and one time I got to meet a Portuguese lady who was more than 80 years old, who also made a good impression on me. So in other words, I never met a bad Portuguese person.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: That\u2019s lucky! In your address to the Portuguese bishops, besides praising the Portuguese people and taking a serene look at the Church, the Holy Father mentioned two concerns: One regarding the young people and the other concerning catechesis. The Holy Father used an image, saying: \u201cyoung people don\u2019t need First Communion attire anymore\u201d but \u201csome communities still insist on it.\u201d What\u2019s the issue?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It\u2019s a form of speech, right? Young people are more informal and they\u2019ve got their own rhythm. You\u2019ve got to let a young person grow. You\u2019ve got to accompany a young person (in life). Don\u2019t just leave him alone. Be there for him. And you need to know how to accompany him with prudence, to know how to talk to him at the right moment, to know how to listen a lot. A young person is restless. They don\u2019t want to be bothered. And in that sense, you could say that First Communion attire just isn\u2019t their style. On the other hand, children, when they make their First Communion, like First Communion attire. It\u2019s something they desire. But young people have other things that excite them which are often very good, but you\u2019ve got to respect that, because they don\u2019t even understand themselves, because they\u2019re changing. They\u2019re growing, they\u2019re searching, right? So, you\u2019ve got to let a young person grow, you\u2019ve got to accompany him, respect him and speak to him in a very fatherly way, right?
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Because at the same time there is a need to propose, but often this is not attractive!
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: That\u2019s why you have to look for what is attractive to a young person and is demanding of him. For example, a concrete case: If you invite a young person \u2014 and you see this everywhere \u2014 to go on a hike, go camping or on the other hand go on a mission, or to visit an \u201cold folks home,\u201d sometimes to take care of the sick for a week or 15 days, he gets excited because he wants to do something for others. He becomes involved.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Involved?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Yes, he gets into it. He makes a commitment. He doesn\u2019t look around for something else.\u00a0 He gets involved \u2013 that is, committed.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: So, how come he doesn\u2019t keep on (coming to church)?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Because he\u2019s on a journey.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: What is the challenge the Church must confront? The Holy Father has spoken also about a catechesis that often remains theoretical and lacks that ability to propose an encounter (with God) \u2026
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Well, it\u2019s important that catechesis not be just purely theoretical. That doesn\u2019t work. Catechesis means doctrine for life, and as such it\u2019s got to be in three ways of speaking, three languages: The language of the mind, the language of the heart and the language of the hands. So, catechesis needs to be conveyed in those three languages so that the young person may think about and know what the faith is, but, at the same time, feel in his heart what the faith is and at the same time do things. If catechesis is missing any one of these three languages, these three ways of speaking, it\u2019s not going to work. The three languages: to think what you feel and what you do, to feel what you think and what you do, to do what you feel and what you think.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Listening to Your Holiness, this seems obvious, but looking around, especially looking at the old Europe, the old Christendom, that\u2019s not the way it is. What\u2019s missing? A change in mentality? How is it done?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: No, changing the mindset, I don\u2019t know. Because I don\u2019t know (the whole situation), right? But sure, sometimes catechetical methodology isn\u2019t complete, that\u2019s true. (We need to) seek a catechetical methodology that joins together those three things: the truths you need to believe, what you need to feel, and what you do, what you need to do, all together.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Your Holiness, for the 100th anniversary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima, we await you in Portugal. Three popes have already visited us. John Paul II three times. You, who love Our Lady so much, what do you hope for your visit in 2017?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Well, let\u2019s clear things up. I really want to go to Portugal for the 100th anniversary. Also in 2017 it\u2019ll be the 300th anniversary of the finding of the statue of Our Lady of Aparecida (Brazil).
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: \u2026an appointment in stereo sound, in two places! (laughter)<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: So. I really want to go there as well. I already promised to go there. Portugal, like I said, I want to go there and I would like to go there. It\u2019s easier to go to Portugal because you can go to the Virgin and come back in one day \u2014 a full day, a day-and-a-half, or two days. The Virgin is (our) Mother. She is very much a mother. And, her presence accompanies the people of God. So, I would like to go to Portugal, which is a special place.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And what are you expecting from us Portuguese? How can we prepare ourselves to receive you and to follow the requests of Our Lady?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: What the Virgin is always asking us to do is to pray, to take care of our family, to keep the commandments. She\u2019s not asking for strange things. Let us pray for the people who have lost their way, who are called sinners. We\u2019re all sinners, and I\u2019m the first of sinners. But the Virgin asks, and we need to prepare ourselves by responding to those requests of Our Lady, right? Those messages which are so motherly, you know. So motherly, right? And she shows herself to children. It\u2019s a curious thing, but she\u2019s always searching out simple souls. Isn\u2019t that so? Very simple.
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\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: This interview is taking place right in the middle of the refugee crisis. Holy Father, how are you living this situation?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: This is the tip of the iceberg. We see these refugees, these poor people who are escaping from war, escaping from hunger, but that\u2019s the tip of the iceberg. But underlying that is the cause, and the cause is a socio-economic system that is bad, unjust, because within an economic system, within everything, within the world, speaking of the ecological problem, within the socio-economic society, in politics, the person always has to be the center. And today\u2019s dominant economic system has removed the person from the center, and at the center is the god of money. It\u2019s the fashionable god today. I mean, there are statistics. I don\u2019t remember very well, but \u2014 this is not exact and I could be making a mistake\u2014 17% of the population has 80% of the wealth.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And this exploitation of the riches of the poorest countries, in the near future, brings this result of all of these people who now want to come to Europe\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Which is the same thing that happens in big cities. Why are \u201cfavelas\u201d (shantytowns) formed in big cities?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: The criteria is the same\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: The same. It\u2019s the people who come from the country because they have been deforested. They have made a mono-cultivation. They have no work, and they go to big cities.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: In Africa it\u2019s the same\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: In Africa\u2026 it\u2019s the same phenomenon. So, these people who emigrate come to Europe \u2013 it\u2019s the same \u2013 looking for a place. And, of course, for Europe right now it\u2019s a surprise, because it\u2019s difficult to believe that this is happening, no? But it\u2019s happening.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: But Holy Father, when you went to Strasbourg, you said it was \u201cnecessary to act on the causes and not only on the effects.\u201d But it seems that no one listened and now the effects are visible\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: You have to go to the causes.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And no one listened, most likely\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Where the cause is hunger, bring sources of work, investments. Where the cause is war, look for peace, work for peace. Today, the world is at war, is at war against itself. That is, the world is at war \u2014 as I say \u2014 a war in parts, piecemeal. But it is also at war against the earth, because it\u2019s destroying the earth, that is, our common home. The environment, the glaciers are melting. In the Arctic, the polar bear goes increasingly northward to survive.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And the concern for man and his destiny, seems neglected\u2026As you see the reaction now in Europe, with many positions taken: there are those who raise walls, others who choose refugees according to their religion, others profit from the situation in order to make populist speeches\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Each culture draws its own interpretation, no? And sometimes, the ideological interpretation, or that of ideas, is easier than doing things, than reality, no? Let\u2019s go far from Europe, to another phenomenon that has greatly saddened me. The \u201cRohingya\u201d who were expelled from their country and, well, they are in a boat and they go. They arrive at a port or a beach, they give them water, they give them something to eat, and then out to sea again. They don\u2019t welcome them. I mean, humanity lacks the ability to welcome.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Because it\u2019s not tolerating; it\u2019s more than tolerating, it\u2019s welcoming\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: To welcome, to welcome people, no? And to welcome as they come. I am a son of immigrants and I am from the migrant wave of \u201829 (1929), but in Argentina, from \u201884 \u2013 1884 \u2013 Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, started to arrive; I don\u2019t know when the first Portuguese \u201cwave\u201d arrived, but Portuguese\u2026 above all from those three countries, no? And they arrived there and some had money, others went to the immigrant hotels and there they sent them to the cities. It\u2019s true that in that time there was work, but in my own family, which had work \u2013 they arrived in \u201829 \u2013 in the year \u201832, with the economic crisis of \u201830, they were left standing in the street, without anything. But, my grandfather bought [a warehouse] with two thousand pesos that he borrowed. And my father, who was an accountant \u2013 a \u201cbookkeeper\u201d \u2013 \u201chacia el reparto con la canasta\u201d [Argentinian saying, literally: \u201cmade the deal with the basket\u201d]: that is, he was eager to fight, to conquer. I know what immigration is. And afterwards came the immigrants from the Second (World) War, above all from central Europe: many Poles, many Poles, Slovaks, Croats, Slovenians, and also from Syria and Lebanon. And we always get along well there. In Argentina, there was no xenophobia and now there is internal migration in America. They come to Argentina from other American countries, although in recent years it\u2019s decreased due to a lack of work in Argentina.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And also from Mexico to the United States\u2026there is a phenomenon.<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: The migratory phenomenon is a reality, but I wanted to touch on a theme which\u2026 without criticizing anyone, right? but when there is an empty space, people look to fill it. If a country doesn\u2019t have children, migrants come to occupy that place. I think about the level of births in Italy, Portugal, and Spain. I think that it\u2019s almost 0%. So, if there are no children, there are empty spaces. I mean, this not wanting to have children which, in part \u2013 it\u2019s my interpretation, I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s correct \u2013 is a little bit the culture of \u201cwellbeing,\u201d no? I heard it in my own family, from my Italian cousins, years ago: \u201cNo, children no. We prefer to travel on vacations or buy a villa, or this or that.\u201d And then, the elderly are left alone. I think that the great challenge of Europe is to return to being mother Europe\u2026<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And not the\u2026?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: \u2026grandmother Europe.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: (Words in Portuguese, the Pope interrupts the question)<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Excuse me, there are European countries that are young. For example, Albania. Albania impressed me. People 40 years old, 45 years old. Bosnia-Herzegovina. That is, countries that have been remade after a war, right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: That\u2019s why the Holy Father visited them\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Ah, yes, of course. It\u2019s a sign for Europe.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: But can this challenge of welcoming these refugees who are arriving, in your perspective, become very positive for Europe? Is it a good thing, a provocation? Finally, in a certain way, can Europe wake up, change it\u2019s course?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It could be. It\u2019s true. I also want to recognize that territorial security conditions today are not the same as other times, because it\u2019s true that 400 kilometers from Sicily we have an extremely cruel terrorist guerilla war, no? So the danger of infiltration is real, right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And that it could reach Rome\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Ah yes. No one said that Rome is immune to this, right? But precautions can be taken and the people come\u2026all to work. Of course, there is another problem, it\u2019s that Europe has a very big labor crisis. In one country \u2013 I speak of three countries, I\u2019m not going to name them, \u2013 but important ones in Europe: From 25 years and under, the unemployment for youth of 25 years and under is, in one country, 40%, in another country it\u2019s 47% and in the other it\u2019s 50%. There is a labor crisis. Young people don\u2019t find work. Many things are mixed together. We shouldn\u2019t be simplistic about it. Obviously, a refugee comes with all kinds of security measures and they have to be received because it\u2019s a commandment of the Bible. Moses told his people: \u201cI welcomed the foreigner because remember that you were a foreigner in Egypt,\u201d right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: But the ideal (situation) would be that they don\u2019t need to flee, that they stay in their land, right?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holy Father, in the Sunday Angelus, you made this challenge of a widespread welcome. Are there reactions? What do you expect concretely?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: What I asked was this: that every parish, every religious institute, every monastery welcome a family. A family, not a person. A family gives more assurance of stability, a little to avoid infiltrations of another type. When I speak of a parish welcoming a family, I\u2019m not saying they\u2019re going to live at the rectory, at the parish residence, but that the parish community sees to it there is a place, a corner of a school to make a \u201csmall apartment\u201d or, in the worst case, rent a modest apartment for the family, but that they have a roof, to be welcomed, and that they are integrated into the community. And there were many reactions. Many, many, right? There are convents that are almost empty.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Two years ago the Holy Father already made this appeal [that empty convents be opened] and what were the results?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: There are only four. One of them, the Jesuits. Very good, the Jesuits. But it\u2019s serious. It\u2019s that here also there is the temptation of the god of money. Some congregations say \u201cNo, now that this convent is empty, we\u2019re going to make a hotel, an \u201calbergo,\u201d and we can receive people and with this we\u2019ll support ourselves or earn money.\u201d Well, if you want to do that, pay taxes. A religious school because it\u2019s religious is exempt from taxes but if it works like a hotel then pay taxes like everybody else. Otherwise the business isn\u2019t very healthy.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And the Holy Father has already said that here in the Vatican, you will welcome two families\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Two families, yes. Of course, yesterday they told me that the families were already in place, the two parishes in the Vatican were instructed to search.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: They are already identified?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Yes, yes, yes, they are already there. And Cardinal Comastri did this, my Vicar General for the Vatican, with him the head of the Almonry, who is Bishop Konrad Krajewski, who works with the people, with the homeless. It\u2019s he who made the showers under the colonnade, the barber\u2019s service. It\u2019s truly wonderful, that he brings people from the street to see the Museums and the Sistine Chapel.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And how long will these families stay?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Until the Lord wants. No one knows this, how it\u2019s going to end, no? Anyway, I want to say that Europe became conscious, eh? And I thank them. I thank the European countries who have become aware of this.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Radio Renascen\u00e7a, this radio interviewing you, has take part in a joint-initiative in Portugal which integrates Christian institutions also (those of) other religions with the desire to welcome and move in favor of the refugees. Holy Father, can you give us some words of support to those who help and also to our listeners and those who work there?
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\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: I congratulate them, I appreciate what they are doing, and I give them a piece of advice: on Judgment Day, we already know over what we will be judged on \u2013 it\u2019s written in Matthew Chapter 25 when Jesus tells them \u201cI was hungry, did you give me food?\u201d And they are going to say \u201cYes.\u201d And when I was without shelter, as a refugee, did you help me? \u201cYes.\u201d I congratulate them. They\u2019re going to pass the test. One thing I also wanted to say to them. Work with unemployed youth. I think here it\u2019s urgent to do so, above all in religious congregations that have education as a charism, but also laity, lay educators, to create small courses, emergency schools. So, a young person who is unemployed, studies cooking for six months, or studies to be gas or heating technician for six months \u2013 so long as rooves keep breaking \u2013 or to be a painter. So, with this skill they always have the possibility of finding work, even part-time, for the moment. It\u2019s doing what we call a \u201cchanga,\u201d I don\u2019t know how\u2026(journalist asks about the meaning of \u201cchanga\u201d) \u201cChanga,\u201d yes. It\u2019s occasional work, right? A good \u201cchanga.\u201d And with that not everyone is unemployed. But today is the day. It\u2019s the time of emergency education, which is what Don Bosco did. Don Bosco, when he saw the amount of young people who were in the street, he said that education is needed, but sending the children to middle school, the humanities, no. Trades. So, he prepared carpenters, plumbers, who taught them to work and they had to earn a living. And Don Bosco had that. And now I want to tell an anecdote of Don Bosco. Here, in Rome, close to Trastevere, where\u2026<\/p>\n\t(Journalist interjects: \u201cit was a poor area)\u2026<\/p>\n
\tYes, it was a very poor area, but now it\u2019s the popular area for youth to \u201cgo out,\u201d right? Ok. Don Bosco passed by there. He was there in a carriage, in a car, I don\u2019t know, and they threw a rock and broke the glass. He stopped and said: \u201cThis is the place where we have to establish ourselves.\u201d That is, in the face of an aggression, he didn\u2019t live it as an aggression. He lived it as a challenge to help people, boys, youth, who only knew how to attack. And today, there is a Salesian parish here which forms youth and children, with their schools, their things. Well, this \u2013 returning to the theme of youth, right? \u2013 what\u2019s important today is to give emergency education about some trade so that they can earn a living.<\/p>\n
\tMiguel<\/strong>: The Holy Father is very critical of the lifestyle of Western Europe, the so-called first world, too centered on well-being. What bothers you the most?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Well, it\u2019s to say, also in the big American cities, whether in North America or South America, the same problem exists. It\u2019s not only Europe. In Buenos Aires, there is a large sector of the culture of \u201cwellbeing,\u201d right? And because of this there are these strands around the cities, the \u201cfavelas\u201d (shantytowns), right? I wouldn\u2019t throw this in Europe\u2019s face so much today. It must be recognized that Europe has an exceptional culture. Truly, there are centuries of culture, right? And this also gives intellectual well-being, and I, in every case, what I would say about Europe is their ability to regain leadership in the concert of nations. That is, it returns to being the Europe that marks paths, because it has the culture to do it.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: But to keep Europe\u2019s identity today? Are they in a condition to affirm their identity?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: What I said in Strasburg I thought about a lot before I said it. In other words, I would repeat a bit, right? Europe isn\u2019t dead yet. It\u2019s half-grandmother, but it can return to being a mother. And I have confidence in the young politicians. Young politicians \u201cspeak another music.\u201d There is a global problem that doesn\u2019t just affect Europe, but the whole world, and it\u2019s the problem of corruption. Corruption on all levels. This also indicates a low moral level, no?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: The Holy Father speaks of this in his recent encyclical, and asks populations to be more aware. However, a lot of abstention occurs. If we look at election results, abstention is almost greater than a party\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Because the people don\u2019t\u2026they are disillusioned. In part because of corruption. In part, because of inefficiency. In part, because of previously undertaken commitments. And, anyway, Europe can and should \u2013 and I affirm what I said in Strasbourg \u2013 Europe has to take on it\u2019s role: that is, to recover her identity. It\u2019s true that Europe went wrong. I\u2019m not throwing it back in her face. I\u2019m reminding of it: nothing more. When I wanted to speak of her identity, I didn\u2019t recognize, perhaps, the deepest part of her identity, which are her Christian roots, right? That was wrong. Ok, but we all make mistakes in life. It\u2019s time to return to her\u2026<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holiness, a question for the \u201csimple listener,\u201d also due to this wave of individualism: What can touch the freedom of someone who \u201cdoes what they want\u201d and who was educated as a child with the concept of happiness of those for whom \u201chappiness is to not have problems?\u201d Generally, children are educated with this desire of those for whom \u201chappiness is not having problems and doing what they want\u2026\u201d (laughs)<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: A life without problems is boring. It\u2019s a boredom. Inside, man has the need to face and resolve conflicts and solve problems. Obviously, an education to not have problems is a sterile education, sterile. Make the experiment yourself! Drink a good glass of mineral water, plain water, or \u201ctap\u201d water, and after drink a glass of distilled water. It\u2019ll be gross. Distilled water has no problems. It\u2019s to educate children in a laboratory, right? Please.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: It\u2019s important to take risks.<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Risk, always set goals. To educate, we need to use both feet \u2014 to educate well. Having a foot well planted on the floor, the pavement, that piece of pavement\u2026 well supported. Is the other foot well supported there? No, the other foot is a step ahead and seeing if I can support it. And when I have planted the other, I lift and\u2026this is educating. To find support on something secure, but trying to take a step forward until I have security and, from there, [I draw it out.]<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: It\u2019s more tiring to educate like this\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It\u2019s a risk. Why? Because maybe I take a bad step and I fall. And well, you get up and continue.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holiness, in the wave of individualism in which we are living \u2013 the Holy Father spoke of this in Strasbourg \u2013 it seems like a whim to demand increasingly more rights separated from the search for the truth. Do you think this is also a problem in the way the faith is lived?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It could be. And demands\u2026without the generosity of giving. That is, to demand my rights and not my duties toward society, is it not? I think that rights and duties go together, right? Also, this creates a \u201cmirror-education,\u201d because a \u201cmirror-education\u201d is narcissism and today we are in a narcissistic civilization.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: How do you win? How do you fight?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: With education. For example, rights and duties. With education to the reasonable risks. Looking for goals, making progress, but not by standing still and looking in the mirror, right? What happened to Narcissus will happen to us. Looking at himself so much in the beautiful water, so pretty, bloop, he drowned. (laughs)<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holiness, you say you prefer a \u201caccident-prone\u201d Church rather than a sick Church. What do you mean when you say \u201caccident-prone\u201d Church?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Yes, let me explain: it\u2019s an image of life. If one has a space in his home: a room closed a lot of the time, (there is) humidity, \u201cmold,\u201d the bad odor. If a Church, a parish, a diocese, an institute lives closed in on itself, it becomes sick. The same happens in a closed room. And (what) we have is a rickety Church, with fixed norms, without creativity, safe, more than secure \u2014 no, insured by an insurance company, but not secure. On the other hand, if one goes out \u2013 a Church, a parish \u2013 goes outside to evangelize, the same can happen that happens to any person on the street: an accident. So, between a sick Church and an accident-prone Church, I prefer the accident-prone, because at least it goes out. And here \u2013 I want to repeat something that I said before on a different occasion \u2013 in the Bible, in the Apocalypse, there is something beautiful from Jesus \u2013 I think in the second chapter, the end of the first or the second \u2013 where he is speaking about a Church and says: \u201cI stand at the door and knock.\u201d It is Jesus knocking. \u201cIf you open for me, I will come in and dine with you.\u201d But I ask myself: \u201chow many times, in the Church, does Jesus knock at the door, but from within so that we leave him to go out and announce the Kingdom.\u201d Sometimes, we position ourselves on the other side of Jesus and we forget that a Church which is not an outgoing Church, a Church which doesn\u2019t go out, holds Jesus prisoner, imprisoned.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Was it because of this you were elected Pope? (laughs)<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Ask the Holy Spirit that. (laughs openly)<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: They say that it was with this speech, which earned applause\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: They are\u2026(inaudible words\u2026)<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holiness, since you became Pope, do you think that the Church is more accident prone?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know. I know that, for what they tell me, God is blessing his Church a lot. It\u2019s a moment that doesn\u2019t depend on my person, but on the blessing that God wants to give to his Church at this time, right? And now, with this Jubilee of Mercy, I hope that many people feel the Church a mother, because the same thing can happen to the Church as to Europe, right? To be too much of a grandmother and not a mother, right? and unable to generate life, right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Is this the reason for the Jubilee of Mercy\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: It\u2019s that everyone may come. That they come and feel the love, the forgiveness of God. In Buenos Aires, I knew a Capuchin friar \u2013 a little younger than me \u2013 who is a great confessor. He always has a line, many people, yes many people, all day confessing. And he is a great forgiver. And sorry, but, sometimes, he gets scruples for having forgiven a lot. And so, one time talking, he told me: \u201csometimes I have these scruples.\u201d And I asked him: \u201cWhat do you do when you have these scruples?\u201d \u2013 \u201cI go in front of the tabernacle, I look at the Lord, and I tell him: Lord, forgive me, today I have forgiven a lot, but let\u2019s make it clear, eh? The blame is yours because you gave me a bad example.\u201d<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Because of this the Holy Father also decided, in this letter to Archbishop Fisichella, to offer forgiveness to the most difficult situations and now you have published these letters (motu proprio) which accelerate the annulment process. Does this also have to do with the Jubilee?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Yes, to simplify. To facilitate the faith to the people, right? And that the Church may be a mother, right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: The reason for these motu proprio letters for annulments is exactly to facilitate?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: To make more \u201cagile,\u201d to streamline the process in the hands of the Bishop. A judge, a Defender of the Bond, only one sentence, because until now there were two sentences. No, only one. If there is no appeal, it\u2019s already done. If there is an appeal, to the Metropolitan (diocese), but to streamline and also cost-free processes.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: The Holy Father has also thought of the synod in the Jubilee?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Everything is coming up.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: I know that you don\u2019t want to speak about the Synod, but in your heart as a universal shepherd, what are you asking?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: I\u2019m asking for lots of prayers. The Synod, you, the journalists, already know the Instrumentum Laboris. This is going to be talked about. From what is there, we will speak. There are three weeks, one theme, one chapter for each week. And many things are expected. Because, obviously, the family is in crisis. Young people don\u2019t marry. They don\u2019t marry. Or with this \u201cprovisional\u201d culture, \u201cok, cohabitating, or I get married, while love lasts, then, see ya.\u201d<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And what does the Holy Father say to those who live a Christian morality contrary to the instructions of the Church and who are anxious for forgiveness?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Here, in the Synod, all of the possibilities of helping the family are going to be talked about. May one thing remain clear \u2013 which Pope Benedict said clearly, clearly: people who are in a second union are not excommunicated and must be integrated into the life of the Church. This was very clear. And I, in the (Wednesday) catechesis, I said it clearly the other day, right? To get closer to the Mass, to catechesis, to the education of children, to the works of charity, a thousand things, right?<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holiness, I would like to finish with questions on your vocation. From the beginning, in March 2013, you were prepared to go \u201cinto retirement.\u201d You had already chosen where to live, etc. However, you have become one of the most famous men in the world. How do you live this situation?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: I haven\u2019t lost peace. It\u2019s a gift\u2026peace is a gift from God. It\u2019s a gift that God has given me, something that I never imagined, because of my age, for all that. Moreover, I had planned the return, thinking that no Pope was going to assume (the papacy) during Holy Week. So, if we delayed in choosing him, anticipating the function to the Saturday before Palm Sunday. And I got a return ticket so that Palm Sunday Mass could be celebrated and I left the homily prepared on my desk. It was something I didn\u2019t expect and, already in December, I was leaving the position to which a successor was going to be named. So\u2026<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: There is an entire adventure, now, in front of you\u2026<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Everything\u2026but I haven\u2019t lost peace. I haven\u2019t lost peace.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Pope Francis is loved by all the world, your popularity is growing, as the polls reveal, so many want to see you as a candidate for the Nobel Prize\u2026but Jesus warned his followers: \u201cYou will be hated because of my name.\u201d How do you feel, Holiness?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Many times I ask myself what will be my cross, what is my cross. Because crosses exist. You don\u2019t see them but they are there. And Jesus also was very popular at one time, and afterward he ended up like he ended up, right? That is, no one has purchased worldly happiness. The only thing I ask, is that the peace in my heart is preserved and that I am preserved in his grace, because until the final moment one is a sinner and can deny his grace. One thing consoles me: that St. Peter committed a very serious sin \u2013 to deny Jesus. After this they made him Pope. If with this sin they made him Pope, with all that I have, I console myself: Okay, the Lord will take care of me as he took care of Peter. But Peter was crucified, so I don\u2019t know how I will finish. Whatever he decides. As long as he gives me peace, he can do what he wants.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Holy Father, how do you live your freedom being Pope? How come you have appeared in a morning Mass at St. Peter\u2019s and went to an eye doctor to repair your glasses\u2026Do you miss the people?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Yes. I need to go out, but it\u2019s still a little\u2026These aren\u2019t the times, right? But, little by little, I have contact with people on Wednesdays and this helps me a lot, right? Yes, the only thing I miss from Buenos Aires is to go out to \u201cstroll around,\u201d to walk down the street.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: And let\u2019s finish with flash questions: What takes your sleep away?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Can I tell you the truth? I sleep like a log. (laughs)<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: What makes you run?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: When I have a lot of work.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: What is never urgent and can wait?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: What\u2019s never urgent? Small things that can wait until tomorrow, the day after. There are things which are very urgent. Others are not urgent. But I couldn\u2019t say specifically this is more urgent that another.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: How often do you confess?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Every fifteen, twenty days. I confess to a Franciscan Father, Father Blanco, who has the goodness to come here to hear my confession. And yes, I never had to call an ambulance to take him back, afraid of my sins. (laughs)<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: How and where would you like to die?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Wherever God wants. Seriously, no\u2026wherever God wants\u2026<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: The last: how do you imagine eternity?<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: When I was younger, I imagined it very boring. (laughs). Now I think that it\u2019s a Mystery of encounter. It\u2019s so unimaginable, but must be something very nice, very beautiful to meet with the Lord.<\/p>\n\tMiguel<\/strong>: Thank you, Holy Father.<\/p>\n\tPope Francis<\/strong>: Thanks to you and a big greeting to all the listeners on this radio. And, please, I ask them to pray for me. May God bless you and the Virgin of Fatima watch over you.<\/p>\n\n
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