{"id":2829,"date":"2012-01-20T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2012-01-20T03:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2012\/01\/murderers-for-jesus.html"},"modified":"2012-01-20T03:00:00","modified_gmt":"2012-01-20T03:00:00","slug":"murderers-for-jesus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2012\/01\/murderers-for-jesus.html","title":{"rendered":"Murderers for Jesus"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

On a blog dedicated to the eradication of the same.\u00a0 I like Mark Shea\u2019s blog.\u00a0 I enjoy his writing style.\u00a0 I appreciate that he has a keen grasp of theology, though he has no formal training.\u00a0 He\u2019s fun.\u00a0 There are times I disagree with him, or wouldn\u2019t say things the way he would, but that\u2019s part of being human. <\/p>\n

Still, there have been some cards pass through that blog over the years.\u00a0 One I remember went a long way toward living up to the stereotype that Catholic salvation is all about logical adherence to philosophical algorithms.\u00a0 Yet another was someone involved in military intelligence, who believed that never once did a person who failed to live up to Church teaching accomplish anything good or even effective.\u00a0 Eh.\u00a0 Blogs, what are you going to do!<\/p>\n

But this one<\/a> took me by surprise.\u00a0 It shouldn\u2019t be shocking to know that many who follow Ron Paul tend to take a dim view of America.\u00a0 Paul himself sees the problems of the world firmly planted at America\u2019s feet.\u00a0 OK, I disagree.\u00a0 But I\u2019ve noticed that blogs that support Paul, as Mark Shea\u2019s clearly does, tend to draw out some of the more radical elements, those who are seriously into hating on America, Protestants, anything traditional and not Catholic.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

So one fellow, apparently with racial sympathies toward the plight of the American Indian, and known for his contempt and loathing of everything that America has done in who knows how long, and who I believe is proud to say he moved away from the US to live (I think) in Australia, was commenting on a thread to do with America\u2019s treatment of American Indians.\u00a0 Of course, he gave great praise to the Catholics who never, ever did bad things like that.\u00a0 It was all those rascally Protestant English settlers who were the mischief.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

Well, being a descendant of Cherokee Indians myself, and being married to a woman who is not only descended from Native Americans, but also from the famous Jenny Wiley, I tend to take a balanced approach.\u00a0 I don\u2019t buy into the old time cowboy and Indian stereotypes, but I don\u2019t subscribe to the Dances With Wolves<\/em>\u00a0narrative either.\u00a0 So I merely mention that the clash of cultures that occurred between the two people was a tragedy, a shame, and sadly what results when complex issues occur.\u00a0 I tried to tie it into the problems we are having today.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

And then lo and behold, our good friend swoops in, throws a jab at me, then trashes my notion that the European (English Protestants) were anything short of genocidal murderers.\u00a0 I retaliate explaining that on the ground level, where the settlers were, they were just folks trying to eke out a living.\u00a0 They were immigrants plain and simple, trying to find a way to live, and many were slaughtered by the American Indians for their trouble.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

I was then\u00a0reminded it was in self defense, besides it was their land.\u00a0 So I merely asked if the Church suggests indigenous people can slaughter immigrants?\u00a0 We finally spun off into a discussion about Jenny Wiley.\u00a0 She was a frontier woman who saw first hand the dark and ugly side of Indian culture and behavior.\u00a0 She saw why tens of thousands of European settlers would die at the hands of Native Americans.\u00a0 She watched in horror as the children of her family, including her own newborn, were butchered by the Indians who took her captive before trading her like a slave before she finally escaped.\u00a0 Pretty dark stuff.\u00a0 Pretty horrifying.\u00a0 Especially on a blog all about life, precious life. <\/p>\n

And yet here is the response: <\/p>\n

The Bench, or maybe Glass, I\u2019ve heard both, spared her life, as she was a Cherokee woman by birth.<\/em>
If she hadn\u2019t been part of an invading army, she\u2019d have had a larger family.<\/em>
I\u2019m done here. I lack the stomach to read more moral equivalence of Neolithic pagans and modern Christians whose technology was orders of magnitude greater.<\/em><\/p>\n

First of all, she wasn\u2019t spared, she escaped.\u00a0 If she was spared, it was to be part of the tribe who captured her.\u00a0 But notice the next line: \u201cIf she hadn\u2019t been part of an invading army, she\u2019d have had a larger family.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 Invading army?\u00a0 He means, a white settler.\u00a0 In other words, she was because of who and what she was, simply part of the overall enemy.\u00a0 And she got what she had coming to her.\u00a0 More than that, the children got what they had coming to them.\u00a0 Yeah, I know.\u00a0 Pretty blood chilling.\u00a0 Especially on a blog where this kind poster, along with many others, spew unending streams of contempt and loathing on the modern GOP and its followers for such things as cheering about the death penalty in Texas, or consequentialism, or unjust wars, or bombing civilian targets, or any one of a thousand things\u00a0America\u00a0has done in its history. <\/p>\n

Fair enough.\u00a0 Many of those things bother me as well.\u00a0 But notice this.\u00a0 Is this any better?\u00a0 I know from other posts that this individual would come down like a ton of bricks on someone who said children in Afghanistan had it coming, or Japanese children in WWII, or any such thing.\u00a0 Again, he hates with the white hot fury of a thousands suns the US and everything about our country, and tends to feel comfortable that his Catholic faith validates this.\u00a0 But still, it\u2019s chilling.\u00a0 Chilling to see just how easily we can notice the sins of others and yet miss them in ourselves.\u00a0 Or as Jesus would say, how easily we notice the splinter in America\u2019s eye, or the eyes of the GOP, or anyone else\u2019s eye, and yet miss the murder excusing log that\u2019s in our own.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

A little lesson on a late night of insomnia. <\/p>\n

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