{"id":4694,"date":"2010-08-11T07:03:00","date_gmt":"2010-08-11T07:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html"},"modified":"2010-08-11T07:03:00","modified_gmt":"2010-08-11T07:03:00","slug":"note-to-catholics-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html","title":{"rendered":"Note to Catholics:"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/715\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_J1G_DOabPa0\/TGKKqZeswAI\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/jOz1PfWEUjw\/s1600\/atomic+cloud.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" id=\"BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5504114155598954498\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/715\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_J1G_DOabPa0\/TGKKqZeswAI\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/jOz1PfWEUjw\/s320\/atomic+cloud.jpg\" style=\"cursor: hand;float: right;height: 320px;margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px;width: 281px\"><\/a>Even being right can end up being wrong. I\u2019ve been following <a href=\"http:\/\/markshea.blogspot.com\/2010\/08\/with-astounding-predictability.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mark Shea\u2019s annual discussion<\/a> of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close of WWII. It\u2019s no secret, or shouldn\u2019t be, that the official stance of the Catholic Church is general condemnation of the bombings. In addition, unlike many others who merely focus on the A-bombs, the Church takes the extra step to remind people it isn\u2019t being fickle, but that the condemnations fit into a larger, comprehensive teaching that is boiled down to concern for the dignity of the human person made in God\u2019s image. Thus, not only are the A-bombs condemned, but the fire bombings, or any attacks that were aimed at civilian population centers. Even if there was another, justifiable reason behind them \u2013 like destroying a key military target, or the more general desire to end the war \u2013 it doesn\u2019t matter. Aiming at civilians and firing is wrong \u2013 always \u2013 no matter how just the reasons behind it may be. This is condemning an approach to morality that is known as <em>consequentialism<\/em>. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>Consequentialism, in a nutshell, says that it is acceptable to do something horrible as long as its for the greater good. Such as dropping the atomic bombs on cities filled with thousands of elderly, women, children, and non-combatant men. The Church has made it clear that such is incompatible with Christian morality. To be Catholic, to base one\u2019s moral compass on the Church\u2019s guidance, is to concede that fact no matter how difficult. <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>In explaining this, however, the Catholic apologist must be careful. One of the pitfalls of apologetics, and why I generally hesitate to delve into that branch of Christian ministry, is its own version of consequentialist tactics for winning theological arguments. This can be seen by some who rightly argue for the clear teachings of the Catholic Church, while then turning around and doing so in ways incompatible with moral, honest, grace-filled instruction. <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>For instance, the facts. Being right about morals doesn\u2019t give the right to twist facts, inflate events, ignore inconvenient arguments, or worse, bear false witness or falsely accuse. It should not involved sweeping condemnation or impugning the morals of those with whom we disagree. It should not be buying into silly theories or conspiracy nonsense without damn good evidence to back it up. Thus, it\u2019s OK to say Truman (and also Roosevelt, don\u2019t forget) was wrong to OK the bombings. But we need not add to it every wild, harebrained theory that Truman was really part of some vast, anti-Catholic conspiracy to murder Catholics in Nagasaki, that he knew Japan only wanted peace, love and John Lennon songs but just wanted to slaughter babies, that Truman molested teddy bears, or anything else. It\u2019s enough to stay with the facts as known.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>It also does well to avoid polemical history to justify the stance. Not only does it run into the danger of suggesting, however subtly, that if there really was a utilitarian reason for the bombings then it would be OK, but it can be wrong. The idea that every thinking person knew the bombings were wrong since Japan merely wanted peace and all the signs were disregarded is a very, very biased interpretation of the events. It fails to take into account the lack of contemporary (c. August 1, 1945) documentation that suggests peace was right around the corner, fails to take into account any potential biases on the part of those who later condemned the bombings (while, of course, emphasizing the bias of those who support them), and generally ignores the growing evidence that Japan was anything but ready to capitulate on the eve of the attacks (this last brought out by the increased pressure on Japan in recent years to fess up to its own atrocities in the war).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>In short, it\u2019s enough to point to the teaching of the Church on the subject. It\u2019s enough to say that there could have been an alternative. A real, positive alternative. Not one that could be as morally suspect as dropping the bombs. It also avoids the idea that the justification for the teachings rests on highly partistan reading of the historical data. And it certainly avoids the potential pitfall of the \u2018sword of the Lord\u2019 approach to apologetics: that I am so the mouthpiece of the living God, that his commandments (like call no one fool, don\u2019t bear false witness, judge not, and others) no longer apply to me. Once those begin to crop up, ironically, the teaching being advanced becomes swept up in the maelstrom of charge and counter charge, and fair minded people seeking the Truth are confronted with two arguments, both of which appear to be flawed. <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Even being right can end up being wrong. I\u2019ve been following Mark Shea\u2019s annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close of WWII. It\u2019s no secret, or shouldn\u2019t be, that the official stance of the Catholic Church is general condemnation of the bombings. In addition, unlike many others who merely [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2805,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4694","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Note to Catholics:<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Even being right can end up being wrong. I&#039;ve been following Mark Shea&#039;s annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Note to Catholics:\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Even being right can end up being wrong. I&#039;ve been following Mark Shea&#039;s annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Daffey Thoughts\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/files\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_J1G_DOabPa0\/TGKKqZeswAI\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/jOz1PfWEUjw\/s320\/atomic+cloud.jpg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Dave Griffey\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Dave Griffey\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"4 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html\",\"name\":\"Note to Catholics:\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/9de3f33a0818ebc53727444b649c82a7\"},\"description\":\"Even being right can end up being wrong. I've been following Mark Shea's annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Note to Catholics:\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/\",\"name\":\"Daffey Thoughts\",\"description\":\"\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/9de3f33a0818ebc53727444b649c82a7\",\"name\":\"Dave Griffey\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/546cf1ab64797c201cc8ad19185f2e57?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/546cf1ab64797c201cc8ad19185f2e57?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Dave Griffey\"},\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/author\/dgriffey\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Note to Catholics:","description":"Even being right can end up being wrong. I've been following Mark Shea's annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Note to Catholics:","og_description":"Even being right can end up being wrong. I've been following Mark Shea's annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html","og_site_name":"Daffey Thoughts","article_published_time":"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/files\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_J1G_DOabPa0\/TGKKqZeswAI\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/jOz1PfWEUjw\/s320\/atomic+cloud.jpg"}],"author":"Dave Griffey","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Dave Griffey","Est. reading time":"4 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html","name":"Note to Catholics:","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#website"},"datePublished":"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00","dateModified":"2010-08-11T07:03:00+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/9de3f33a0818ebc53727444b649c82a7"},"description":"Even being right can end up being wrong. I've been following Mark Shea's annual discussion of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/2010\/08\/note-to-catholics-3.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Note to Catholics:"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/","name":"Daffey Thoughts","description":"","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/9de3f33a0818ebc53727444b649c82a7","name":"Dave Griffey","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/546cf1ab64797c201cc8ad19185f2e57?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/546cf1ab64797c201cc8ad19185f2e57?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","caption":"Dave Griffey"},"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/author\/dgriffey"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4694","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2805"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4694"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4694\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4694"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4694"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daffeythoughts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4694"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}