{"id":100937,"date":"2023-07-09T22:42:36","date_gmt":"2023-07-10T04:42:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=100937"},"modified":"2023-07-09T23:38:11","modified_gmt":"2023-07-10T05:38:11","slug":"catholic-theology-made-no-such-provision","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/07\/catholic-theology-made-no-such-provision.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Catholic theology made no such provision&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_63304\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-63304\" style=\"width: 298px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/07\/vancouver-temple-lds-866778-gallery2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63304\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/07\/vancouver-temple-lds-866778-gallery2.jpg\" alt=\"Vancouver BC Temple by night\" width=\"298\" height=\"447\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-63304\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Vancouver British Columbia Temple was dedicated on 2 May 2010.<br>(LDS Media Library)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned the other day, my wife and I recently read Prue Shaw\u2019s <em>Reading Dante: From Here to Eternity<\/em>.\u00a0 Dr. Shaw studied at the University of Sydney, where she gained First Class degrees in English and in Italian, and later earned degrees at the the Universities of Oxford (B. Phil in General and Comparative Literature) and Florence (Dott. In Lett.). She taught Italian Language and Literature at the University of Cambridge, the University of London, and University College London, where she is now Emeritus Reader in Italian.<\/p>\n<p>I will share here a trio of the many passages from <em>Reading Dante<\/em> that especially caught my attention.\u00a0 All three come from the first chapter, \u201cFriendship.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The first is funny, in a way, but also illustrates the fact that great good can come quite unexpectedly out of evil and injustice:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"noteText\">A distinguished nineteenth-century Italian said that Florence should have erected a statue not to Dante but to the obscure Florentine official who sent him into exile. Without the experience of exile Dante would not\u2014could not\u2014have written the <em>Commedia<\/em>.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The second has something to do with the remarkable significance of numbers in Dante\u2019s cosmology, a significance that is, in a sense, becoming apparent once more to modern cosmologists:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Researchers working at CERN in Geneva using the Large Hadron Collider speak of the simplicity and beauty of the mathematical principles that underlie the variety of existence. Fractal geometry is another underlying structural principle that unifies natural phenomena from the very small to the very large. The excitement modern scientists feel at these discoveries is the excitement Dante\u2019s poem communicates about numbers and their significance. The relation of numbers to the structure and functioning of the universe and to human creativity is the subject of the sixth chapter.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The third concerns Dante\u2019s relative openness to the idea of a kind of salvation for pre-Christian pagans, which is quite striking and unexpected in a devoutly Catholic medieval Italian poet:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"noteText\">Dante is a good Catholic but an independent thinker. He is determined to understand what it is to be a human being, and the place of the individual in society and in the cosmos\u2014universal concerns that transcend any age or system of religious belief. Far from merely being a spokesman for medieval Catholic orthodoxy, he can reach conclusions his contemporaries found disconcerting and even dangerous.<\/div>\n<div class=\"noteText\">This independence of mind is revealed early in the poem, when we find the great philosophers and poets of antiquity\u2014Homer, Plato and Aristotle, among many others\u2014occupying a place of special privilege on the edge of hell. Among their number, no less remarkably, are two great philosophers of Islam, Averroes and Avicenna. Unlike the damned, these thinkers and writers suffer no physical pain. Unlike the damned, they have pleasant surroundings: light, fine architecture, green grass, and good conversation\u2014rather like the quad of an Oxbridge college, one might think. Virgil, Homer and the other classical writers assembled there often talk about poetry. Their only punishment is the knowledge of their exclusion from paradise: <em>sanza speme vivemo in disio<\/em> (\u201cwithout hope we live in desire\u201d). Their unrequited yearning for the divine has no hope of ever being satisfied. That is punishment enough.<\/div>\n<div class=\"noteText\">Catholic theology made no such provision for the great minds and talents of the pagan past. The conventional view was that only unbaptised infants occupied Limbo, this region on the outer rim of hell (<em>limbo<\/em> means \u201cedge\u201d). The Jewish patriarchs like Abraham and Moses had been there too for a time, before they were taken up to heaven by Christ after his death. But no pagans belonged here, no matter how remarkable their lives had been for virtue or for wisdom. One early commentator on the poem, Guido da Pisa, a Carmelite friar writing in the late 1320s, less than ten years after Dante\u2019s death, clearly admired the poet. Yet he felt it necessary to distance himself at the outset from this and similar examples of unorthodox thinking with a formula revoking in advance\u2014<em>ex nunc revoco et annullo<\/em>\u2014anything he inadvertently says in explicating the poem which is against the faith or against the holy church\u2014<em>vel contra fidem vel contra sanctam ecclesiam<\/em>. (In the late 1950s at Sydney University, good Catholic girls used to take the same preemptive action by inscribing a monogram with just this meaning in the top corner of every page of their philosophy lecture notes.) Dante, explains Guido da Pisa, speaks as a poet and not as a theologian: <em>poetice et non theologice loquitur<\/em>. The enduring fascination of the <em>Commedia<\/em> lies precisely in the fact that Dante writes as a poet and not as a theologian. His view of the world was one that often alarmed his contemporaries, and it is still challenging today; but it is the way he found to express that view which makes the <em>Commedia<\/em> a masterpiece.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div>This question is much on my mind here in coastal British Columbia, where the Native American cultures \u2014 or, as the Canadians would say, the the cultures of the First Nations \u2014 are very evident in place names and elsewhere.\u00a0 These peoples lived for dozens of generations without word of Jesus.\u00a0 According to traditional Christian theology, therefore, the ancestors of today\u2019s indigenous peoples were and are damned.\u00a0 But this seems not only wildly unjust but utterly foreign to the nature of any God whom I could ever possibly recognize as benevolent, let alone loving.<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<figure id=\"attachment_100940\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100940\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/07\/IMG_6077-rotated.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-100940\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/07\/IMG_6077-rotated.jpg\" alt=\"Ucluelet panorama, badly represented\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-100940\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Another failed attempt (this one, frankly, mine) to adequately represent our view here. The ocean is much closer than it seems in this photo, and it occupies about 100 degrees of our panorama.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>It is only during the past century or two, I think, that the question of \u201cthe salvation of the unevangelized\u201d has become a real and urgent problem for believing Christians.\u00a0 Before that, unbelievers were mostly far away, culturally and linguistically foreign, and, thus easily demonized.\u00a0 For at least the past hundred or hundred and fifty years, though, believers of many different stripes (to say nothing of unbelievers) have been in regular contact with each other, even living in mixed communities alongside each other.\u00a0 It has become impossible to deny that many of Them are at least as good and sincere and rational as We are and, accordingly, it has become much harder to demonize or marginalize them, or to view their likely damnation (as was once confidently expected) with equanimity or indifference.<\/div>\n<div>\n<p>As I\u2019ve noted here and elsewhere on more than a few occasions, one of the elements of the Restoration in which I take most delight is its way of dealing with \u2014 really, neutralizing \u2014 the problem of \u201cthe salvation of the unevangelized\u201d that continues to challenge many other Christian denominations and thinkers.\u00a0 Our temples, of which more and more are being built and dedicated around the world, are the physical expression not only of our faith but of the \u201cwideness in God\u2019s mercy\u201d that cares for those who died without hearing the good news of the Gospel during their mortal lifetimes.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Ucluelet, British Columbia<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 As I mentioned the other day, my wife and I recently read Prue Shaw\u2019s Reading Dante: From Here to Eternity.\u00a0 Dr. Shaw studied at the University of Sydney, where she gained First Class degrees in English and in Italian, and later earned degrees at the the Universities of Oxford (B. 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