{"id":101159,"date":"2023-07-28T17:01:28","date_gmt":"2023-07-28T23:01:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=101159"},"modified":"2023-07-29T20:58:11","modified_gmt":"2023-07-30T02:58:11","slug":"nephis-eight-years-in-the-wilderness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/07\/nephis-eight-years-in-the-wilderness.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Nephi\u2019s Eight Years in the &#8216;Wilderness'&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_87440\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-87440\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/08\/800px-Desert_Dunes.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-87440\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/08\/800px-Desert_Dunes.jpg\" alt=\"Sand dunes in Sharja\" width=\"597\" height=\"398\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-87440\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Arabian sand dunes (Wikimedia Commons public domain photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Two new items went up on Friday on the website of the Interpreter Foundation:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/nephis-eight-years-in-the-wilderness-reconsidering-definitions-and-details\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cNephi\u2019s Eight Years in the \u201cWilderness\u201d: \u00a0Reconsidering Definitions and Details,<\/a>\u201d written by <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/godfreye\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Godfrey J. Ellis<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em><strong>Abstract: <\/strong>A traditional reading of Nephi\u2019s chronicle of the trek through Arabia relies heavily on two verses in 1 Nephi 17. In verse 4, Nephi states that they \u201cdid sojourn for the space of many years, yea, even eight years in the wilderness.\u201d In verse 5, he reports that \u201cwe did come to the land which we called Bountiful.\u201d The almost universal interpretation of these verses is that of sequential events: eight years traversing the arid desert of Western Arabia following which the Lehites entered the lush Bountiful for an unspecified time to build the ship. A question with the traditional reading is why a trip that could have taken eight months ostensibly took eight years. It may be that Nephi gave us that information. His \u201ceight years\u201d could be read as a general statement about one large context: the \u201cwilderness\u201d of all of Arabia. In other words, the \u201ceight years in the wilderness\u201d may have included both the time in the desert and the time in Bountiful. In this paper I examine the basis for such an alternative reading.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-eight-years-in-the-wilderness\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInterpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em>: Eight Years in the Wilderness,\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/kylerr\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kyler Rasmussen<\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>This post is a summary of the article \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/nephis-eight-years-in-the-wilderness-reconsidering-definitions-and-details\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Nephi\u2019s Eight Years in the \u201cWilderness\u201d: Reconsidering Definitions and Details<\/a>\u201d by Godfrey J. Ellis in Volume 57 of <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>. An introduction to the Interpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em> series is available at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Takeaway:<\/strong> Ellis argues that Nephi\u2019s reference to \u201ceight years in the wilderness\u201d includes the time spent in Bountiful, allowing us to set concrete estimates for Nephi\u2019s travel and shipbuilding efforts, and making it unnecessary to explain that time by positing extended stays in desert regions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_101162\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-101162\" style=\"width: 479px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/07\/FAIR-flyer.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-101162\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/07\/FAIR-flyer.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"479\" height=\"621\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-101162\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">FAIR Flyer 2023<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Not infrequently, I run across the claim that, because there are several ancient stories of divine beings who die and then come back to life, the story of the resurrection of Jesus can therefore be dismissed is merely yet another of these old folk tales and legends.\u00a0 \u00a0I responded briefly and rather generically to this sort of assertion in a column for the <em>Deseret News<\/em> that was published clear back in mid-May 2012.\u00a0 (See my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/2012\/5\/17\/20413181\/parallels-of-prophets-not-parallel\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c\u2018Parallels\u2019 of prophets not parallel.\u201d<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>There are several solid responses to this particular, umm, argument.\u00a0 One of them, from Andrew Loke, <span id=\"productTitle\" class=\"a-size-extra-large\"><em>Investigating the Resurrection of Jesus Christ: A New Transdisciplinary Approach<\/em> (Routledge, 2020), runs as follows:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What if we told you about a British ocean liner that was about eight hundred feet long, weighed more than sixty thousand tons, and could carry about three thousand passengers? The ship had a top cruising speed of twenty-four knots, had three propellers, and about twenty lifeboats. What if I told you that this ocean liner hit an iceberg on its maiden voyage in the month of April, tearing an opening in the starboard side, forward portion of the ship, sinking it along with about two thousand passengers? Would you recognize the event from history? You might say, \u2018Hey, that\u2019s the Titanic!\u2019 Well, believe it or not, you would be wrong. It\u2019s the Titan, a fictional ship described in Morgan Robertson\u2019s 1898 book called <em>The Wreck of the Titan: or Futility<\/em>. This book was written fourteen years before the disaster took place, and several years before construction began on the Titanic! (Robertson, WT, website). Here is the point: just as the fictional account of the Titan does not undermine the reality of the sinking of the Titanic, fictional accounts of dying and rising gods would not undermine the historical reality of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. The presence of parallels alone proves nothing about borrowing or the historicity of Jesus.\u00a0 (11)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here\u2019s another interesting passage from Dr. Loke. \u00a0Some ask why there are no ancient references to the supposed resurrection of Jesus outside of the Bible. \u00a0But, of course, there <em>are<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"noteText\">Jesus\u2019 crucifixion is attested by a number of ancient sources, both Christian and non-Christian. Outside of numerous references in the New Testament, it is mentioned in numerous early Christian writings and non-Christian writings such as Josephus\u2019 Antiquities of the Jews 18.3,1 Tacitus\u2019 \u2018the most extreme penalty,\u2019 Annals 15.44,2 and Lucian\u2019s The Death of Peregrine, 11. . . .<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"noteText\">\n<blockquote><p>Aside from Paul\u2019s letters, other documents in the first and early second century\u2014such as the Four Gospels, Acts, 1 Clement, Letters of Ignatius, etc.\u2014also claimed that various people witnessed the resurrected Jesus. As noted earlier, some of these claims were discussed by Celsus, a non-Christian philosopher who wrote an attack on Christianity titled The True Word in c. AD 177\u2013180, most of which was preserved in the rebuttal by Origen written in AD 248 (Marcovich 2001, p. 14; Celsus\u2019 attack on the Gospels indicates that he did not accept them uncritically). An earlier non-Christian reference (c. AD 140) was made by the Greek historian Phlegon in his \u2018Chronicles,\u2019 also preserved in the aforementioned rebuttal by Origen (Contra Celsum, 2.59). It states, \u2018Jesus, while alive was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.\u2019 It is unlikely that Origen fabricated what Phlegon wrote, given that it would have been easy for his readers to find out and given the awkwardness of the phrase that Jesus was \u2018of no assistance to himself\u2019 while alive. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>While some scholars suspect that Christians may have distorted parts of Josephus\u2019 reference to Jesus, the vast majority of scholars regard the references to Jesus as the brother of James, Jesus as a miracle worker, and his crucifixion as authentic. For a balanced discussion of the reasons for and against authenticity, see Paget (2001); Meier (1991\u20132016, Vol. 1, pp. 56\u201388). . . .<\/p>\n<div class=\"noteText\">This reference in Tacitus is most likely authentic, for the Latin style is Tacitus\u2019, the tone is anti-Christian, and all the manuscripts of Tacitus have this passage (Meier 1991\u20132016, Vol. 1, pp. 90\u201391). . . .<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"noteHeading\">\n<blockquote><p>We know from subsequent history that Jewish writers were in the main unwilling to engage polemically with Christianity in their extant writings, a point exemplified not only in later rabbinic writings, but also, if we are to believe Photius, in the one writing he attributes to Josephus\u2019 contemporary and enemy, Justus of Tiberias. It would be wrong to assume that such people simply knew nothing about Christianity, or that they were unacquainted with Christians. Their silence could have been illustrative of their contempt for, or embarrassment about, Christianity, rather than their ignorance. \u00a0(8-9)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 Two new items went up on Friday on the website of the Interpreter Foundation: \u201cNephi\u2019s Eight Years in the \u201cWilderness\u201d: \u00a0Reconsidering Definitions and Details,\u201d written by Godfrey J. Ellis Abstract: A traditional reading of Nephi\u2019s chronicle of the trek through Arabia relies heavily on two verses in 1 Nephi 17. 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