{"id":101636,"date":"2023-09-04T14:10:56","date_gmt":"2023-09-04T20:10:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=101636"},"modified":"2023-09-04T14:10:56","modified_gmt":"2023-09-04T20:10:56","slug":"they-just-keep-coming-brainlessly-but-without-pause","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/09\/they-just-keep-coming-brainlessly-but-without-pause.html","title":{"rendered":"They just keep coming, brainlessly but without pause"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_94080\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-94080\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2022\/02\/more-than-just-georgeous-edtd.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-94080\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2022\/02\/more-than-just-georgeous-edtd.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"597\" height=\"454\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-94080\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I presume that this outdoor dining area at the Lahaina Fish Company, where we enjoyed a meal some months ago while looking across at the island of La\u0304na\u2018i, no longer exists. \u00a0(No, the photo was not taken in Scottsdale, Arizona, where I\u2019m currently located.)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This article of mine \u2014 inspired by the heartbreaking recent events in the former Maui town of Lahaina \u2014 appeared yesterday in <em>Meridian Magazine<\/em>: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/latterdaysaintmag.com\/losing-an-earthly-paradise\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLosing an Earthly Paradise.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_101639\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-101639\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/637992686431270000-scaled.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-101639\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/637992686431270000-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"I'm coming to like it very much.\" width=\"597\" height=\"321\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-101639\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The main terminal at the Provo Airport \u00a0 (Image from the Provo City website)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>For us, flying out of Provo (and back into Provo) is about as good as it gets, flying-wise. \u00a0Just a few minutes on surface streets (no freeway travel required, no traffic jams risked). The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.provo.org\/city-services\/airport\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">airport<\/a> is small but clean and new. \u00a0The lines range from manageable to non-existent. \u00a0Security is quick and efficient. \u00a0So is luggage retrieval. \u00a0There are no interminably long walks to and from the gate. \u00a0It\u2019s enough to make flying pleasant again. \u00a0Or, at least, not something to dread. \u00a0Although there are only limited flights and destinations available through Provo, I would heartily recommend it to anybody living in Utah Valley who can make it work.<\/p>\n<p>So far, by contrast, I very much dislike the new Salt Lake Airport \u2014 which, in deep self-pity, I\u2019ve termed WAI-US, for \u201cWorst Airport in the United States.\u201d \u00a0After a long and tiring series of flights from, say, Tel Aviv or Sydney, it\u2019s disheartening to have to hike in from a far-distant arrival gate to a still-empty baggage carousel, accompanied along the route by an instrumental rendition of \u201cPioneer children sang as they walked, and walked, and walked\u201d over the airport\u2019s sound system. \u00a0(Maybe I was only imagining that last part?)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_86470\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-86470\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/07\/Resized_Resized_20200702_202743.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-86470\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/07\/Resized_Resized_20200702_202743.jpg\" alt=\"The 8 Witnesses in our documentary\" width=\"596\" height=\"411\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-86470\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The experience of the Eight Witnesses as re-created for the documentary \u201cUndaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon,\u201d in a still photograph by James Jordan. I frankly confess that I was disappointed, at first, by the very mundane appearance of this scene. But then I realized that my reaction was irrational. That the experience of the Eight Witnesses with the plates of the Book of Mormon was mundane, prosaic, matter of fact, is precisely the POINT of their experience and what gives their account its remarkable evidentiary power.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A while back, I saw a discussion (or, perhaps more accurately, an instance of what often <em>passes<\/em> there for a \u201cdiscussion\u201d) over at an overtly anti-Mormon (and very largely, though not entirely, atheistic) message board.\u00a0 It focused on the golden plates that were purportedly connected with the Book of Mormon.\u00a0 I found it amusing for a number of reasons, but one of the principal reasons for my amusement is that these are people who (I\u2019ve observed them for years) proudly insist on their uniquely powerful commitment to evidence and rationality.\u00a0 (I won\u2019t bother to note, below, where supporting evidence for the discussants\u2019 claims is absent because non-existent.\u00a0 It\u2019s every single time.)\u00a0 Here are some of the highlights of the conversation, such as it was:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>We have only Joseph Smith\u2019s word for the existence of those plates.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesofthebookofmormon.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWitnesses of the Book of Mormon.\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>If God were really involved, he would have made the plates available to absolutely everybody.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/www.collinsdictionary.com\/us\/dictionary\/english\/dubious-assumption\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cdubious assumption.\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Agreeing [!] with the first assertion, above, another rejects the testimony of the Three Witnesses.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris was delusional.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris had experienced many delusions and cannot be trusted.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/latterdaysaintmag.com\/martin-harris-skeptic-or-gullible-dupe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMartin Harris: Skeptic or Gullible Dupe?\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>David Whitmer was delusional.<\/li>\n<li>David Whitmer was too proud to admit that he had been fooled.<\/li>\n<li>Oliver Cowdery was in on the conspiracy and was a conscious fraud.<\/li>\n<li>All of the Three Witnesses had strong, self-interested reasons for making their false claims.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris didn\u2019t claim to have seen the plates with his literal, physical eyes.<\/li>\n<li>Scholars can\u2019t examine the plates because there never <em>were<\/em> any plates.<\/li>\n<li>The fact that there were two groups of Witnesses (the Three and the Eight) indicates that there were no plates at all. \u00a0(I know. \u00a0I don\u2019t understand the reasoning either.)<\/li>\n<li>The overwhelming majority of Earth\u2019s inhabitants have failed to accept the Book of Mormon, and this corroborates the nonexistence of the plates.<\/li>\n<li>The Book of Mormon was written in imitation \u201cBible English.\u201d\u00a0 (On that purported \u201cBible English,\u201d see the work of <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/stanfordc\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Stan Carmack<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/royals\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Royal Skousen<\/a>.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>What continually surprises me about such assertions is the sheer baseless confidence with which they\u2019re laid down, not only as if there were conclusive evidence to prove them true \u2014 which, to put it mildly, there is not \u2014 but as if, and I\u2019m again being modest here, there weren\u2019t considerable evidence calling them into serious question.<\/p>\n<p>Take, for example, the recurring claim to which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/09\/101621.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I responded (yet again!) yesterday<\/a>, that the plates of the Book of Mormon didn\u2019t exist because Joseph Smith couldn\u2019t have run while carrying them because they were too heavy. \u00a0I noticed it on the Peterson Obsession Board three or four days ago, and now I\u2019m told that it\u2019s trending on TikTok.<\/p>\n<p>To some significant degree, it was to make it more difficult (even, if you will, to make it more publicly embarrassing) for people to utter such dubious assertions as if they were self-evidently true, as if they required neither supporting evidence nor logical analysis, that we undertook the \u201cWitnesses\u201d film project.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m a realist, though.\u00a0 I know that anti-Mormon claims offer some of the best examples on this side of the veil for the possibility of eternal life:\u00a0 My much-lamented late friend Bill Hamblin and I long dreamed of doing a movie called <em>Bill and Dan\u2019s Excellent Adventure in Anti-Mormon Zombie Hell<\/em>, because, even when you shoot them in the head, squarely between the eyes, such claims often just keep coming at you as if nothing had happened.<\/p>\n<p>One of the denizens of the Obsession Board has just challenged defenders of the faith to just <em>try<\/em> running with such an object as the plates. \u00a0But we <em>have<\/em>. \u00a0It\u2019s been <em>done<\/em>. \u00a0And we have <em>video<\/em> of it, which appears during the first few minutes of <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesfilm.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the <em>Witnesses<\/em> theatrical film.<\/a>\u00a0 That film is is now available not only on DVD and Blu-ray but via streaming at Living Scriptures, Deseret Video+, Apple, Google, and Amazon. \u00a0There is literally no excuse for critics of the Restoration to continue peddling their discredited claim, which is not only demonstrably false but which has been <em>demonstrated<\/em> false.<\/p>\n<p>Much of this effort was inspired by the remarkable work of the late Richard Lloyd Anderson, the pioneering, preeminent scholar of the Book of Mormon Witnesses to whose memory the <em>Witnesses<\/em> dramatic film was dedicated. \u00a0The project has also produced <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesundaunted.com\/#bonus_content\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">short video \u201creels\u201d<\/a> on directly related subjects as well as a two-part docudrama, <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesundaunted.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon<\/em><\/a>, and the <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesofthebookofmormon.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWitnesses of the Book of Mormon\u201d<\/a> website.<\/p>\n<p>Brother Anderson, who earned a law degree from Harvard before receiving a doctorate in ancient history from the University of California at Berkeley, remains one of the finest and most consequential scholars ever produced by the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And his classic book\u00a0<em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses <\/em>(Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1981) remains one of the best and most important books ever published on the history of the Restoration.\u00a0 In this book, Professor Anderson subjects the Book of Mormon witnesses to meticulous examination.\u00a0 And they emerge from the process as sane, lucid, honest, reliable men \u2014 a fact of perfectly enormous importance because of the way their testimony directly corroborates central claims of Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.<\/p>\n<p>Brother Anderson wrote many other indispensable articles on the Witnesses \u2014 and on other significant topics \u2014 both before and after <em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses<\/em> was published. \u00a0These are available online (though perhaps no longer available at the redirected, post-2012 Maxwell Institute website), including but not limited to \u201cAttempts to Redefine the Experience of the Eight Witnesses,\u201d <em>Journal of Book of Mormon Studies<\/em>\u00a014\/1 (2005): 18\u201331; \u201cPersonal Writings of the Book of Mormon Witnesses,\u201d in\u00a0<em>Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins<\/em>, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997), 39\u201360; and \u201cThe Credibility of the Book of the Mormon Translators,\u201d in\u00a0<em>Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins<\/em>, ed. Noel B. Reynolds and Charles D. Tate (Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center, 1982), 213\u201337. \u00a0But\u00a0<em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses<\/em> remains, I think, the best place to start on this vital subject.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Scottsdale, Arizona<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 This article of mine \u2014 inspired by the heartbreaking recent events in the former Maui town of Lahaina \u2014 appeared yesterday in Meridian Magazine: \u00a0\u201cLosing an Earthly Paradise.\u201d \u00a0 \u00a0 For us, flying out of Provo (and back into Provo) is about as good as it gets, flying-wise. \u00a0Just a few minutes on [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":89453,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[56,380,1615,36605,12286,921],"class_list":["post-101636","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-book-of-mormon","tag-joseph-smith","tag-plates","tag-run","tag-weight","tag-witnesses"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>They just keep coming, brainlessly but without pause<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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